Will my Ryzen 1700 bottleneck a 1080 ti @ 2ghz boost?

[Space Lynx]

or would I see any benefit in selling my 1700 (which I can do easily to some friends, and lose very little money) and buying an 8700k? or will FPS stay about the same? specs are under my name.

 

[londiste]

if your only criteria is fps when gaming - yes, 8700k will give you benefit.

 

[Tsukiyomi91]

it's all up to you man... the 8700K will be a better pick if gaming & high fps count is your goal.

 

[Space Lynx]

if your only criteria is fps when gaming - yes, 8700k will give you benefit.

Thank you. Yes, all I do is game. I just do not want to delid, and it seems to be necessary if you intend to OC the 8700k. How about the i7-8700 non-k version, would that be a benefit over ryzen 1700 @ 4ghz? it would save me some money plus I wouldn't need to delid.

edit: looking at benches, I think I will sell the 1700 90% what I paid for it, and grab an i5-8400, for gaming looks to be the same as 8700k min fps and avg fps at 1440p.

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

Imo this would be a bad investment as the performance dif will not be noticeable at 1440p...maybe only in a few games.

 

[Space Lynx]

Imo this would be a bad investment as the performance dif will not be noticeable at 1440p...maybe only in a few games.

Hmm, you make a good point, plus AM4 socket will work with 12nm Ryzen refresh that is coming... maybe I will just do Ryzen Refresh and sell the 1700 chip, would make life a little easier I suppose.

I am sick of Intel's crap really, especially with the ummm w.e it is called, TIM between the silicon and cover top.

 

[EarthDog]

I am sick of Intel's crap really, especially with the ummm w.e it is called, TIM between the silicon and cover top

What... that you can still overclock plenty with the stock TIM? Sorry you are missing that potential 100-200 mhz.

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

What... that you can still overclock plenty with the stock TIM? Sorry you are missing that potential 100-200 mhz.

For me the problem is the extra heat that comes with that...it's not a very big problem but I've seen 7700k's hitting the 80-90C mark without any OC
P.S On AIO

 

[EarthDog]

And im sitting between 4.5 and 4.7 ghz with 20 threads and a 3x120 loop.. not delidded, running p95 i see 85c.

With an aio. I was 4.5.

 

[Liviu Cojocaru]

And im sitting between 4.5 and 4.7 ghz with 20 threads and a 3x120 loop.. not delidded, running p95 i see 85c.

With an aio. I was 4.5.

That does not mean that there aren't lots of other chips out there that have problems I am also ok with my current 7700K under AIO 4.8 1.3v at 80C but I've seen less unfortunate cases and not only one...

 

[Durvelle27]

Keep what you already have

 

[EarthDog]

That does not mean that there aren't lots of other chips out there that have problems I am also ok with my current 7700K under AIO 4.8 1.3v at 80C but I've seen less unfortunate cases and not only one...

Temps are always a crapshoot.

Point is, the tim is fine for stock amd fine ror overclocking. Again, perhaps not as far, maybe 100-200 mhz more if you are lucky.

 

[Durvelle27]

Temps are always a crapshoot.

Point is, the tim is fine for stock amd fine ror overclocking. Again, perhaps not as far, maybe 100-200 mhz more if you are lucky.

AMD no use TIM

 

[infrared]

TIM is Thermal interface material. That includes Solder. If you need to specify solder/paste, thermal paste is the proper wording.

Apologies for the semantics

And to the OP - Since you're playing at 1440P there won't be a huge amount to gain by upgrading to an 8700K.

 

[phanbuey]

Yes it does.

You will notice a difference upgrading to 8700k at 1440p.

I basically had/ have the same setup as you and went from an 1800x to a 7820x and there was a noticeable improvement in Deus Ex, The Witcher, FarCry 4, Fallout/Skyrim EE, GTA V, even divinity 2, which is not a demanding game.

+1 Ghz (assuming a 5Ghz OC on the 8700), +30% in single-threaded IPC, and a massive decrease in latency makes a big difference both in frame pacing and raw FPS at 165hz.

 

[EarthDog]

Agreed. For high fps gaming, i want whatever will drive my hardware the best... which is the intel setup.

 

[ShurikN]

Yes it does.

You will notice a difference upgrading to 8700k at 1440p.

I basically had/ have the same setup as you and went from an 1800x to a 7820x and there was a noticeable improvement in Deus Ex, The Witcher, FarCry 4, Fallout/Skyrim EE, GTA V, even divinity 2, which is not a demanding game.

+1 Ghz (assuming a 5Ghz OC on the 8700), +30% in single-threaded IPC, and a massive decrease in latency makes a big difference both in frame pacing and raw FPS at 165hz.

Cmon bruh...

 

[Durvelle27]

Taken from our very own W1zz review

Anything above 1920x1080 is just not worth the premium

 

[bug]

What... that you can still overclock plenty with the stock TIM? Sorry you are missing that potential 100-200 mhz.

If that. HardOCP has delidded and saw no improvement for max achievable OC. So the stock TIM is there for a reason: it gets the job done.

 

[Space Lynx]

Well as far as spending a lot of money goes, I got the Ryzen 1700 for $269 free ship no tax, mobo was only $79, and I hit 4ghz with decent temps. Honestly, thats such a low price point for a temporary high end solution, that I am fine just waiting to see Ryzen refresh and Ice Lake, I probably will upgrade then, and keep what I have now.

I guess my original question was more about at 1440p, will I see 100% cpu usage in any games? if yes... then that kind of bums me out...

 

[Hood]

I just do not want to delid, and it seems to be necessary if you intend to OC the 8700k

Apparently you are another victim of the recent crop of ignorant "enthusiasts" who claim that paste TIM is an evil conspiracy fostered by greedy Intel to rip off customers by saving a few pennies, and must be replaced for any overclocking. This is not true at all. This misinformation was most recently spread by AMD fans trying to criticize Intel for no longer using solder TIM on some of their CPUs, claiming AMDs use of solder made them somehow superior. Don't fall into the trap of mimicking the ignorant, read about the subject and draw your own conclusions.

 

[Durvelle27]

Well as far as spending a lot of money goes, I got the Ryzen 1700 for $269 free ship no tax, mobo was only $79, and I hit 4ghz with decent temps. Honestly, thats such a low price point for a temporary high end solution, that I am fine just waiting to see Ryzen refresh and Ice Lake, I probably will upgrade then, and keep what I have now.

I guess my original question was more about at 1440p, will I see 100% cpu usage in any games? if yes... then that kind of bums me out...

You will never see 100% usage with just gaming alone

 

[Rehmanpa]

8700k is hot. Tom's hardware couldn't get theirs past 4.9ghz and it was at 90c on a 420mm aio. Depending on your resolution ryzen really won't be a problem. 1080p i would opt for Intel but at anything past that (I'm never going back after buying 1440p and 1600p) i am getting amd.

A 1700 was going for 290 on newest I think plus a b350 motherboard that allows overclocking is about 60 usd, half the price of the 8700k. You'll be saving over 100 by going ryzen for negligible performance difference at 1440p+. Buy a nice 250gb Samsung 960 evo for that price

 

[ShurikN]

A 1700 was going for 290 on newest I think plus a b350 motherboard that allows overclocking is about 60 usd, half the price of the 8700k. You'll be saving over 100 by going ryzen for negligible performance difference at 1440p+. Buy a nice 250gb Samsung 960 evo for that price

He already has a R7 1700 and a B350 motherboard

 

[phanbuey]

Taken from our very own W1zz review

Anything above 1920x1080 is just not worth the premium

You really gonna look at one bargraph and argue with someone who actually owns both systems with those exact same specs...

https://m.hardocp.com/article/2017/05/26/definitive_amd_ryzen_7_realworld_gaming_guide


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For a moment let’s boil everything down in real simple terms to the results experienced. We will then get granular, and dissect things more closely.



Overall, the Intel Kaby Lake 7700K CPU at 5GHz Z270 system provided the highest performance while gaming. Didn’t matter if it was single-GPU, multi-GPU, 1080p, or 1440p, or 4K, the most wins (at least in terms of raw data) are with the 7700K at an overclocked 5GHz.



Overall, the AMD Ryzen 7 1700X at an overclocked 4GHz provided the same performance and gameplay experience as the Intel 2600K on Z68 at 4.5GHz. It was most competitive with the 2600K CPU with both overclocked to the highest levels.



In terms of gameplay experience we felt the 2600K and Ryzen CPUs "felt" the same while gaming in single-GPU at any resolution. We "felt" the 7700K at 5GHz had an experience advantage at all resolutions, and especially with multi-GPU CrossFire."

Look at other reviews as well - at high FPS, you can feel a noticeable difference even at 1440P. (writing this on my 1700 right now)...

I have absolutely no motivation to mislead or cheer for one team over the other - just stating my experience - that 1700 is barely enough for that 1080ti and the 8700k beats in just about everything except $/performance - the guy is sitting on a 165hz monitor and a 1080ti - that is a no-compromise system (ie. he is willing to pay for the best performance), and he will see and feel a difference between the two setups especially after overclocking - especially so when he upgrades to the 2080/2080ti in the next 9 months or so.