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I agree the 7770 will be better but again, read the thread. He is going with 6670. LOL:slap:
He never said he was set on the system he posted in the OP, otherwise he wouldn't have made the thread. Im sure if someone came up with a better rig within his budget then what he has proposed he would take it regardless of a 6670 is in there or not.

Which I am currently working on at the moment.
 
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OMG dude, that shows shit. (I just hit ignore button)

He never said he was set on the system he posted in the OP, otherwise he wouldn't have made the thread. Im sure if someone came up with a better rig within his budget then what he has proposed he would take it regardless of a 6670 is in there or not.

Which I am currently working on at the moment.
No problem Mx. Some guys just like to butt in and not read anything. Good job getting the budget out of him. I was just trying to sugesst the best bang for the buck.
 
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ok i will have to think about it and look into it more still not sure thankyou for all the help
 
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ok i will have to think about it and look into it more still not sure thankyou for all the help
Whatever choice you make will not be bad. What I was trying to explain: The AMD A10-5800K would be a better all around choice with a 6670 than a core i3 3330 with a 6670. Mx, will put a build together and see what he digs up.
 

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Oh one thing to keep in mind, Crossfire on the older DX9 Total War games has extreme flicker depending on the driver, AMD may have fixed it with the 13.1s but I remember 7970 and 6950 as well as 5850 xfire all have minimap flicker almost akin to a strobe light.

Empire through Shogun 2 are problem free on both vendors GPUs.
 
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Oh one thing to keep in mind, Crossfire on the older DX9 Total War games has extreme flicker depending on the driver, AMD may have fixed it with the 13.1s but I remember 7970 and 6950 as well as 5850 xfire all have minimap flicker almost akin to a strobe light.

Empire through Shogun 2 are problem free on both vendors GPUs.
13.2 beta has it covered. Your a bit behind with AMD drivers bro.
 

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then thats good news altho i doubt they fixed Rome Total War, since it had flicker as far back on multi gpu since the 3800 series. Nvidia isnt much better, anything from the 8000 series - 400 series couldnt run Shogun or Medieval 1, for about 10 driver releases the 580 would give a black screen on Empire, altho those issues have been fixed since. GPUs + Total war is a crap shoot roll the dice you get what you get.

CPU side tho nothing AMD has even compares to Intel sadly, I do agree A10 is the better choice all around but if Total war is the OPs thing going AMD is just a waste of time and money on the CPU side.

AMDs best chips pushed to 5ghz still cant beat stock low end I5 chips. But again thats a developer choice Intel did the grunt work for the supposed multi-threading which is to say they did nothing at all

I do know that Rome and earlier are pretty much broken mess with multi gpu, but its to be expected really games were never programmed with it in mind, hell I do believe Napoleon was the first one to start scaling properly on most hardware configs, with Shogun 2 doing rather well when not limited by the CPU which is nearly every battle once melee is joined. Mostly because of a limitation in the game engine.

Warscape = gunpowder Empire + Napoleon = gunpowder all is well
Shogun 2 = Warscape and is 90% melee, engine was coded effectively for that. Using 1 core to handle both physics / animation / ai the game has these things interconnected to such an extent that AMD cant bring its multi-threading or multiple cores into the equation. that said a 6670 with a few settings tweaks, + an Intel chip can run the game just fine if said 6670 is the GDDR5 version, if its DDR3 not so much. Games also a memory bandwidth hog.

Bit thing is keeping settings withing the memory budget, as the game likes to auto scale down graphics settings if it runs out of vram which is why at launch the GTX 580 was winning against AMDs cards. that said 2gb is a large enough frame buffer to max graphics settings at 1080p gpu itself tho would need a 7790 overclocked minimum, which with further tweaks should run mix of High / Very high fairly well.

Really tho depend on the OPs location I know newegg has a deal for 8gb of DDR3 + 7850 2gb where the memory is pretty much just $15. but it also depends on if the OP was looking at prebuild rigs as well. I know the rig I just built for a customer was $888 up front after rebates got it down to $840 ish Dell / HP were around $1200 for the same specs.

Anyway I am rambling for Total War games like Shogun 2 he needs Intel CPU hands down preferably Ivy Bridge i5 even if its the lowest end i5 chip it will still be faster than all other options.

For older total wars he wont need much to max them out.
 
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OP do you really need a DVD drive? lol

The same thermaltake case is include in that. Just up above and couldn't fit it in with the snip shot.

Oh and sub total ~$650. Not including shipping though, but it wont be over $700.



You could sell the Far Cry 3 coupon on ebay or something, and make back some cash as well.
 

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I did say at the beginning of this thread, Total war is heavily CPU limited and the 6670 is a junky graphics card. Then some crazy zealot fight happened o_O
In all honesty, if a 6670 is SAT IN YOUR LAP, and you're on a budget, I'd go for the AMD A10. The OP however has a higher budget than $200, so he's not really in for the budget option. the i3 and A10 are both technically acting like dual cores in Total war because its coded by autistic monkeys, but sadly intels core for core performance is better for Total war.
I dare say in any other case besides Total war, the A10 would have been my choice hands down no questions. But sadly the programming is just bad, so I'd hit up the intel without question.
Mx has put forward a great build idea, and the 7770 is way better than that junky GPU you have.
The fact of the matter is are you ACTUALLY willing to spend $700 or are you going to pussy out when it's all in the basket because you didnt want to spend that much? You need a rock solid budget and stick with it.
As it stands, i3 3220 + 7770 is the way to go for Total war.
 
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OP do you really need a DVD drive? lol

The same thermaltake case is include in that. Just up above and couldn't fit it in with the snip shot.

Oh and sub total ~$650. Not including shipping though, but it wont be over $700.

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You could sell the Far Cry 3 coupon on ebay or something, and make back some cash as well.
A10-5800K runs head to head(slighlty better in real world) with the core i3 3220 with a dedicated GPU but the 3220K is not overclockable. The A10-5800K overclocked beats the 3220 handily.I did not do total war in any benchmarks just a FYI statement.
 

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Use Prome code: EMCXTVM28 fpr $8 off dropping price to $708

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Total Cost $719 in parts $708 after Promo Codes $688 after MIR Shipping not calculated



should you rather use NVIDIA, which does have an edge in Total War games, the 650 Ti boost is about 4% faster than the 7850 and has 2gb of vram
GIGABYTE GV-N65TBOC-2GD GeForce GTX 650 Ti BOOST 2...

the free game coupons with the AMD gpu however swing the price in favor of AMD. but both options will work.
 
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A10 5800k performance in Shogun 2 CPU bench which means far more than the GPU bench as the game is single threaded it bottlenecks

IGP 7660D
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ECS/A85F2-A_Golden/images/shogun.gif

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http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ASUS/Maximus_V_Extreme/images/shogun.gif

doesnt matter even if he goes with your suggestion its fail the CPU is the limitation in that title. crossfire wont fix that
He won't have any money for the other components in his computer if he goes with the i7. Your recommendation is good if he had the money, but he doesn't which makes your recommendation bad because its not feasible.

You talk about the people here having their heads in their ass? A 3770k + z77 board plus everything else the users needs to get will cost over 500-700 USD with everything he needs, considering the board + CPU alone will cost something like, what? 400-450 USD for the CPU/Mobo alone? That leaves him 100-200-ish USD for shipping, video card, storage, case, and power supply which are all things that he should not be skimping on.

I don't see any reason why he would need hyper-threading either so an i5 should do fine if he were to go skt1155.

If you're planning on upgrading in the future, FM2 might be a bit annoying as well. I would honestly wait for Haswell just so it drives IVB and skt1155 mobo prices down and if Haswell ends up being pretty good then at least that's an option as well.
 
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Ok i am going to go through and have a look at everything you guys have said i'm going to look at the builds that some people made and i really appreciate that and have a look through it all am willing to spend $600-650 so i will see what i can do. thankyou all for your help:toast:
 
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So where are you gonna shop for these parts? Need a website to put together a parts list for that budget
 
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Might get it directly built from comp shop
 
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Well you wont need a Z77 motherboards because they are ment to be paired with processors that can overclock. Personally I'd go with a Nvidia graphics card but radeons (7850 and up) come with those never settle bundles with a few free games so yeahhh...Everything else on your list is solid choice.
 
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could you suggest a good MB for that processor and if i would like to upgrade at a later date then i could? cpu i mean.
 

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Might get it directly built from comp shop
Dont do that it will probably cost you 10% more than buying the parts and plugging them in yourself. Trust me, building computers is very easy these days.
So the new budget is maxing out around $650.
 
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could you suggest a good MB for that processor and if i would like to upgrade at a later date then i could? cpu i mean.
If youre looking to upgrade later then the Z77 boards are your only option pretty much with a 3570(K)/3770(K) being the upgrade later on. I'd still recommend spending the money on a better graphics card. When the time comes, upgrade the whole thing again rather than sticking to a older platform and getting a small upgrade from a better processor because there wont be such a dramatic change in performace. And I need to know what options you have, where are you shopping from?
 

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If youre looking to upgrade later then the Z77 boards are your only option pretty much with a 3570(K)/3770(K) being the upgrade later on. I'd still recommend spending the money for a better graphics card. When the time comes, upgrade the whole thing again rather than sticking to a older platform and getting a small upgrade from a better processor. And I need to know what options you have, where are you shopping from?
following from this, essentially you should get a decent bread and butter motherboard (z77) which you can build upon in future. Even if you get a bog standard i3 and either stick with the 6670 or get a 7770, you can upgrade to the 3570 or 3770 in future, along with another graphics card, but for now, the motherboard will serve you well.
The graphics card is not overly important as everyone has mentioned, Total war is a CPU bitch, and then hogs a bunch of GPU memory. You want a rock solid intel i3/i5 and a GPU with GDDR5 memory.
In other words, you should just follow the build Mx made for you, in brutal honesty.
 
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So far everyones build is still weaker than my own in the same price range

Use Prome code: EMCXTVM28 fpr $8 off dropping price to $708

I5 3350p + B75 + 7850 1GB

Total Cost $719 in parts $708 after Promo Codes $688 after MIR Shipping not calculated



should you rather use NVIDIA, which does have an edge in Total War games, the 650 Ti boost is about 4% faster than the 7850 and has 2gb of vram
GIGABYTE GV-N65TBOC-2GD GeForce GTX 650 Ti BOOST 2...

the free game coupons with the AMD gpu however swing the price in favor of AMD. but both options will work.
 

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A10-5800K runs head to head(slighlty better in real world) with the core i3 3220 with a dedicated GPU but the 3220K is not overclockable. The A10-5800K overclocked beats the 3220 handily.I did not do total war in any benchmarks just a FYI statement.
I feel that in general, you are correct. But, two things...not everyone will overclock. Secondly:

If you go by the OP, looking primarily @ Total War games, Crazy's bang on...considering he's one of the most prolific posters on the total war forums, and that he plays Total War games near daily, I'll take his word over yours.

Of course, there is no way you'd know he plays these games that much, but that's fine.

Lastly, I don't care what the OP buys. AMD is slower for CPU-intensive stuff, but faster overall, for onboard graphics. If buying a discrete card, Intel will win. OC is not relevant, since it is not guaranteed.
 
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I feel that in general, you are correct. But, two things...not everyone will overclock. Secondly:

If you go by the OP, looking primarily @ Total War games, Crazy's bang on...considering he's one of the most prolific posters on the total war forums, and that he plays Total War games near daily, I'll take his word over yours.

Of course, there is no way you'd know he plays these games that much, but that's fine.
Just giving him an option. You know my Primary systems are Intel so I am not pushing AMD for any specific reason, but Trinity is an excellent all around performer. At the price point. Also, as you know, I spent a lot of hours with both on the bench whereas the other has not.