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Will You Be Buying Radeon VII ?

Will You Be Buying Radeon VII ?

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 14.9%
  • No

    Votes: 105 62.5%
  • Maybe (Depending on Performance)

    Votes: 38 22.6%

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its just how you should price a gpu lol. like i said the numbers are to illustrate a point.
 
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pricing a gpu should be done on a whole system value basis..
It should? To me, it should be done on how a user plans to utilize their system. If its for gaming, obviously it makes more sense to drop more on the GPU than say, faster RAM/SSD etc... I personally dont care much about value on a whole system basis, but build for my needs and sacrifice other parts for the primary need.
 
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lol,it absolutely should not.
if overall system value to performance isn't a concern then i guess not.

The example also works backwards by the way..
 
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if overall system value to performance isn't a concern then i guess not.

The example also works backwards by the way..
Well, for me that's not it. I keep a limit on how much I spend on CPU and GPU because that's how I keep the cost of the whole system under control. The "problem" is I do have the cash to build a HEDT, but I'm happy with a system with half that power that can be had for 25% of the cost (give or take).
 
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I mean a budget is a budget that needs to be followed, but the needs of the user drives the parts requirement within that budget. Clearly, without crunching numbers, if I game, a better GPU is going to give me the best 'value for my money' than any other part so it makes sense to spend more on a better performing card that fits my needs. I don't put percentages on it... I can't live in that minutia. If I see my budget is unable to fulfill my needs, I save and wait.


Anyway, since this poll wasn't stopped nor a new poll put up (boy I would have loved to see the difference after launch), the No's have increased by almost 4% so far.
 
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its just how you should price a gpu lol. like i said the numbers are to illustrate a point.
Negative, needs and budget determine what you spend. If you don't have the budget for your needs, you wait.
 
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pricing a gpu should be done on a whole system value basis..
people look at it as per item value for money when you should add up the system value to get the bigger picture,
If you have a $300 gpu and the system overall is $1200.. But a $600 GPU would gain you 80% better performance.
that would take your system over all to $1500 so technically that's 80% more performance for 25% more overall cost..
but if you looked at it at a per item cost then you are spending 100% more..

Obvious example numbers should not be taken as gospel its to illustrate a point.
Assuming one is building an entire PC from scratch and not carrying over PC parts (case, power sully, HSF, etc.,) like most PC builders. Also assuming one needs (or can use) the 80% graphic performance increase, otherwise the initial $300 card will do the job very well for the time being (2-4 years) and then the next $300 card will give you that extra 80%+ graphic increase.

If I see my budget is unable to fulfill my needs, I save and wait.
One should always budget for the performance one wants. Some people need to play at 140FPS ultra settings 4k, some people have a blast on medium settings 30 FPS 1080p. Quantitative data does not translate to qualitative analysis.
 
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Maybe drivers will give it a nudge in the right direction as performing just around the RTX 2070 is very sucky and wouldn’t be worth it for me. Now 2080 performance would have been acceptable
Honestly, even RTX2080 performance wouldn't have been acceptable to me. If you are going to price RVII the same as the RTX2080, and it has less features than the RTX2080, it better damn well consistently outperform the RTX2080. Otherwise your just ripping people off.

I have a strict $225 max budget for video cards and CPUs (good thing for amazon warehouse and microcenter). After that price point I don't see a value for my investment.
That used to be my limit, but over the years, it's gone up. Heck, everything just gets more expensive. $350 is my limit for CPUs, but GPUs I'll go up to $500 now.
 
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Honestly, even RTX2080 performance wouldn't have been acceptable to me. If you are going to price RVII the same as the RTX2080, and it has less features than the RTX2080, it better damn well consistently outperform the RTX2080. Otherwise your just ripping people off.
16GB HBM2 ram counts for a lot.. AMD knows what they're doing.
 
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and it has less features than the RTX2080,
What are those features you can use right now, this very day? RTX in BFV that makes it look like everything is a light film of oil and DLSS in FFXV that makes the IQ worse? Anything that I am missing? If you don't play either of those games, what are those features worth?
 
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That used to be my limit, but over the years, it's gone up. Heck, everything just gets more expensive. $350 is my limit for CPUs, but GPUs I'll go up to $500 now.
Well, you have to at least account for inflation (plus fight the temptation as your income goes up over time). But yes, that's not a hard limit for me either, I believe I paid close to $300 for my 660Ti. And I'm about to pull the trigger on an RTX 2060. It's more of a guideline to keep the overall expense in check.
 
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If you don't play either of those games, what are those features worth?
Future proofing. There are more games in development for RTRT and DLSS. As in all technological developments, the hardware always comes first and the software follows.

And I'm about to pull the trigger on an RTX 2060
That card seems to be a good way to get your feet wet in RTX without pulling the trigger on the pocketbook.
 
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The argument against AMD's FineWine is that you don't buy GPUs for what they do in the future, you buy them for what they do today. We can't turn this around for NV because there is a feature we happen to like.

Everyone knows that future proofing is a fallacy. There are two approaches (except for those with limited budgets): you buy mid-range every generation or you buy the top and hold for at least one.
 
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Future proofing. There are more games in development for RTRT and DLSS. As in all technological developments, the hardware always comes first and the software follows.
That is assuming the 2080 will have enough power for future games when or if RTRT becomes common.
You have cards that are barely powerful enough to run those features right now, by then the Turing cards would have become obsolete.
 
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That is assuming the 2080 will have enough power for future games when or if RTRT becomes common.
You have cards that are barely powerful enough to run those features right now, by then the Turing cards would have become obsolete.
and throughout that whole time, zero possibility for hardware based ray tracing for amd. A 2080 in bf v does RT at 1440p 60 fps...

This argument is the same for any GPU regardless of feature though. And by the time amd has a card with HW RT (which isnt navi) nvidia will have the next gen ray tracing cards which will likely be even more powerful. ;)
 

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16GB HBM2 ram counts for a lot.. AMD knows what they're doing.
If it doesn't help with performance, it doesn't count for squat. It's just wasted, and enthusiasts know that the only reason AMD put 16GB on the card was because they had to to get the 4096-bit memory bus. If there were 2GB HBM2 stacks available, AMD would have used those.

Future proofing. There are more games in development for RTRT and DLSS. As in all technological developments, the hardware always comes first and the software follows.
Ironically, the same future proofing argument will be used to justify the 16GB of VRAM too, even though the likelyhood of it being necessary in a game that this card can actually comfortably render is next to nill.

What are those features you can use right now, this very day? RTX in BFV that makes it look like everything is a light film of oil and DLSS in FFXV that makes the IQ worse? Anything that I am missing? If you don't play either of those games, what are those features worth?
DLSS doesn't make the IQ worse if you actually compare it like it to the scenarios it is replacing. 1440p upscaled to 4k(which is what DLSS does) looks a heck of a lot better using DLSS than any other upscaling method.

RTX and DLSS might be IQ features that aren't necessary, but the reality is they are features. And AMD held onto FreeSync, pretty much the only feature they had over nVidia, like it was the next coming of christ, so now nVidia gets to do the same with DLSS and RTX. And if the AMD card can't offer those features, you either lower the price or make sure the performance is consistently better.
 
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and throughout that whole time, zero possibility for hardware based ray tracing for amd. A 2080 in bf v does RT at 1440p 60 fps...

This argument is the same for any GPU regardless of feature though. And by the time amd has a card with HW RT (which isnt navi) nvidia will have the next gen ray tracing cards which will likely be even more powerful. ;)
Yes then you buy that new more powerful card, not hoping that some 10 year old card by then would run new games well.
And speaking of DXR in BF V, you get grainy shadows on your gun barrel that might be more accurate in position etc, but looks worse than AO.
When future cards that are MUCH MUCH more powerful runs RT, it would be glorius, but not what we have right now.
 
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If it doesn't help with performance, it doesn't count for squat. It's just wasted, and enthusiasts know that the only reason AMD put 16GB on the card was because they had to to get the 4096-bit memory bus. If there were 2GB HBM2 stacks available, AMD would have used those.
High res texture packs @ 4K, n00b... :p

Being serious. It's useful in 4k video editing and compute...but much over 8-11GB is a waste, particularly at QHD... they could have saved some money going with 8GB and it would be a much more attractive gaming card with a lower price point.

Yes then you buy that new more powerful card, not hoping that some 10 year old card by then would run new games well.
True... but, that doesnt help your point out. Either you have zero chance of HW RT and dont care with AMD or you have a card that is plenty capable (on the one game) of running it.
 
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True... but, that doesnt help your point out.
My point is the whole future proving arugement is garbage, I don't give an F about who buys what they want.
 
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The hardcore AMD fanboy in me overwhelmed my self-control....
Good on you....Even though I am a happy, happy RTX 2080 user, nothing wrong with your buying choice as it is yours and yours alone...hope you enjoy it to the max....And keep us posted on the experience...
 

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Being serious. It's useful in 4k video editing and compute...but much over 8-11GB is a waste, particularly at QHD... they could have saved some money going with 8GB and it would be a much more attractive gaming card with a lower price point.
Even with 4k video editing, the video card doesn't need 16GB of RAM, it just doesn't help, and that is a pretty niche area anyway. But I definitely agree that going with 8GB being the better option for this card, but like I said, the problem is AMD couldn't do that and keep the 4096-bit memory bus. And for some reason AMD is using the "pump as much memory bandwidth as possible into the GPU to make up for the weak GPU itself" method of video card design. Maybe if they could get one of the memory manufacturers to make 2GB HBM2 stacks we'll get an 8GB variant that is priced more attractively.
 
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My point is the whole futuring proving arugement is garbage, I don't give an F about who buys what they want.
Overall I agree... just the supporting argument left something to be desired. ;)
 
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