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Will You Be Buying Radeon VII ?

Will You Be Buying Radeon VII ?

  • Yes

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    Votes: 105 62.5%
  • Maybe (Depending on Performance)

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RTX and DLSS might be IQ features that aren't necessary, but the reality is they are features.
That is true. But right now, this very moment, they are the equivalent to mantle. At least RTX. I can see DLSS propagating faster. There will not be widespread adoption until consoles can do it. Which is a long, long way off.

AMD held onto FreeSync, pretty much the only feature they had over nVidia, like it was the next coming of christ
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And if the AMD card can't offer those features, you either lower the price or make sure the performance is consistently better.
I don't really disagree with you with except the consistently better. This is completely subjective, but for me, I would have been ok with comparable. Trading a few games here and there sort of thing.

they could have saved some money going with 8GB and it would be a much more attractive gaming card with a lower price point
Maybe if they could get one of the memory manufacturers to make 2GB HBM2 stacks we'll get an 8GB variant that is priced more attractively.
If they could do this and get the price under $600, the could have a real winner.
 
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If it doesn't help with performance, it doesn't count for squat. It's just wasted, and enthusiasts know that the only reason AMD put 16GB on the card was because they had to to get the 4096-bit memory bus. If there were 2GB HBM2 stacks available, AMD would have used those.



Ironically, the same future proofing argument will be used to justify the 16GB of VRAM too, even though the likelyhood of it being necessary in a game that this card can actually comfortably render is next to nill.



DLSS doesn't make the IQ worse if you actually compare it like it to the scenarios it is replacing. 1440p upscaled to 4k(which is what DLSS does) looks a heck of a lot better using DLSS than any other upscaling method.

RTX and DLSS might be IQ features that aren't necessary, but the reality is they are features. And AMD held onto FreeSync, pretty much the only feature they had over nVidia, like it was the next coming of christ, so now nVidia gets to do the same with DLSS and RTX. And if the AMD card can't offer those features, you either lower the price or make sure the performance is consistently better.
I have to agree with you on the RT and DLSS...This was a big move for Nvidia laying the groundwork for the next gen in graphics and performance. Yes it will be costly to start but the lead they are building will pay dividends in the long run as they will be heavily entrenched in Ray Tracing and especially AI through DLSS which will start taking of in 2019. With the next gen 7nm RTX GPU's they will only get better, more powerfull and effecient with even more gains in RT and DLSS...DLSS looks really good and does provide an uplift without a graphical penalty or at least close enough as to not make a difference to the eye but with higher frame rates all around, can't wait for games to incorperate DLSS...
 

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That is true. But right now, this very moment, they are the equivalent to mantle. At least RTX. I can see DLSS propagating faster. There will not be widespread adoption until consoles can do it. Which is a long, long way off.
RTX is baked in to DX12, so it will likely be used pretty regularly.

Did you not pay attention, almost every time someone was arguing for an AMD card over an nVidia, it was because freesync. Freesync was the AMD fanboy's secret weapon.

I don't really disagree with you with except the consistently better. This is completely subjective, but for me, I would have been ok with comparable. Trading a few games here and there sort of thing.
I'm not saying it has to outperform the RTX2080 in every single game. But, on average, it needed to be slightly faster than the RTX2080 if they were going to demand the same price as the RTX2080.

I have to agree with you on the RT and DLSS...This was a big move for Nvidia laying the groundwork for the next gen in graphics and performance. Yes it will be costly to start but the lead they are building will pay dividends in the long run as they will be heavily entrenched in Ray Tracing and especially AI through DLSS which will start taking of in 2019. With the next gen 7nm RTX GPU's they will only get better, more powerfull and effecient with even more gains in RT and DLSS...DLSS looks really good and does provide an uplift without a graphical penalty or at least close enough as to not make a difference to the eye but with higher frame rates all around, can't wait for games to incorperate DLSS...
I think nVidia needs to work on DLSS to get it to just work with every game, as well as other resolutions. But at the same time, it actually makes sense to pair with RTX. The reason is that RTX does make a pretty big hit on performance. Take the RTX2070 as an example, it can do RTX@1440p but not at 4k in Battlefield. However, think about adding DLSS on top of that, so the game with RTX is rendered at 1440p, where performance is acceptable, but then DLSS upscales it to 4k, and you get 4k with RTX at acceptable performance. DLSS also has a big appeal for consoles too, which regularly are using upscaling to get the game to output at the display resolution. I would not be surprised if DLSS comes to consoles pretty quickly.
 
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It already has enough power to run RTRT.
If it truly does, EA Dice wouldnt need to release a patch to down grade the effects and hack the physics so that leafs never falls into puddles to reduce shadows and reflections.
The whole point of RT over AO is more physically accurate lighting and shadows.
 
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If it truly does, EA Dice wouldnt need to release a patch to down grade the effects and hack the physics so that leafs never falls into puddles to reduce shadows and reflections.
Have you actually played it? Because that's not what I've seen. What I've seen is a refinement of the effects and how they're used.
The whole point of RT over AO is more physically accurate lighting and shadows.
And that is delivered in spades.
 
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Have you actually played it? Because that's not what I've seen. What I've seen is a refinement of the effects and how they're used.

And that is delivered in spades.
Yes I played it and was not impressed, the first thing I noticed was the visual noise on reflections and shadows, and the worse frame time performance.
So not only is not a strait up visual improvement, it lowers performance by a signicicant amount.
 

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It might seem like I'm bashing the Radeon VII, but I'm not, it isn't a bad product. AMD just screwed up on the price. They are trying to act like this card is comparable to the RTX2080, but it just isn't quite up to that level. The card should be $50-100 cheaper. The Radeon VII should be $600, it would fit price wise between the RTX2070 and 2080, and that is where it falls performance wise.

If it truly does, EA Dice wouldnt need to release a patch to down grade the effects and hack the physics so that leafs never falls into puddles to reduce shadows and reflections.
The whole point of RT over AO is more physically accurate lighting and shadows.
It is a new IQ tech, adjustments to optimize it are expected, especially on the very first game to ever use it. Remember when tessellation was new? It suffered the same growing pains on the first few games to use it.
 
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It is a new IQ tech, adjustments to optimize it are expected, especially on the very first game to ever use it. Remember when tessellation was new? It suffered the same growing pains on the first few games to use it.
I mostly agree.
I also know that the first form of Tesselation in GPUs was ATI TruForm, from the early 2000s.
I also owned the first DX11 card being the HD5870 when Tesselation finally became standard in DX11, and that was back in 2009.
So I am well aware of none of those cards have any hope of running Tessellation at any meaningful way in AAA titles in 2019.

That is why I strongly disagree that DXR support makes the 2080 more "future prove" in anyway.
The 2080 has enough merits over the Radeon VII on its own, it is on average faster, uses less power, and is widely avaliable already.
Also since it released last year, it also has mature drivers unlike the mess that is the review drivers for Radeon VII.
 
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That is why I strongly disagree that DXR support makes the 2080 more "future prove" in anyway
I never said it made the RTX2080 more future proof. An IQ feature that can be turned off with no affect on gameplay is never going to make a card future proof.

But it is still a feature.
 
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Honestly, even RTX2080 performance wouldn't have been acceptable to me. If you are going to price RVII the same as the RTX2080, and it has less features than the RTX2080, it better damn well consistently outperform the RTX2080. Otherwise your just ripping people off.



That used to be my limit, but over the years, it's gone up. Heck, everything just gets more expensive. $350 is my limit for CPUs, but GPUs I'll go up to $500 now.
Yeah I'm firm at $350 CPU and $600 GPU and $250 Mobo...
As for future proofing...most any mid-range build or buy will be useful for at least 5 years...
 

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That card seems to be a good way to get your feet wet in RTX without pulling the trigger on the pocketbook.
I'm really not expecting much in the way of DXR, save for a few demos maybe (I really want to see how RTRT looks), but it's a card that can push 4k after I tweak some games and I've been dying to get a 4k monitor for my photo editing.
Plus, I want to spite all those who irrationally hate Turing. I genuinely can't recall ever seeing to much hate towards technical innovation. And on a tech forum, no less.
 
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I'm really not expecting much in the way of DXR, save for a few demos maybe (I really want to see how RTRT looks), but it's a card that can push 4k after I tweak some games and I've been dying to get a 4k monitor for my photo editing.
If you're wanting to do photo editing, you will be served well by a 2080 for sure, but with the 16GB of ram the Radeon 7 would do better for you in that area.
I genuinely can't recall ever seeing to much hate towards technical innovation. And on a tech forum, no less.
Neither can I. It really is very bizarre. It's like the Nintendo VS Sega 16bit wars, but to the Nth level.
 

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If you're wanting to do photo editing, you will be served well by a 2080 for sure, but with the 16GB of ram the Radeon 7 would do better for you in that area.

Neither can I. It really is very bizarre. It's like the Nintendo VS Sega 16bit wars, but to the Nth level.
Lol, yeah I loved my Genesis
 

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If you're wanting to do photo editing, you will be served well by a 2080 for sure, but with the 16GB of ram the Radeon 7 would do better for you in that area.
I'm pretty sure I don't need any of those ;) I'm just editing my vacations photos. I try to keep them real, a bit of HDR or a panorama here and there is the max level of processing I use. No Photoshop either.
 
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I'm pretty sure I don't need any of those ;) I'm just editing my vacations photos. I try to keep them real, a bit of HDR or a panorama here and there is the max level of processing I use. No Photoshop either.
Then a 2080 will rock for you.
 
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Then a 2080 will rock for you.
For who wouldn't a 2080 rock? :D
But I'm not spending that kind of money on a video card.

Btw, my "buy mid-range components" policy also has the nice side effect that my systems don't require much in the way of a PSU (I still got a Seasonic, but at 650W it's already overkill), so it's easy to cool and keep quiet ;)
 

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For who wouldn't a 2080 rock? :D
Someone like a co-worker of mine who upgraded his 1080 Ti for a 2080 Ti? :laugh:
 
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I am just happy AMD unlocked the FP64 performance on the VII. Like 3.5 TFLOPs of FP64... on a gaming card. Its a selling point for the card, for sure.
 
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