win 11 better than 10 for 12900k?

l0tus · Jun 26, 2022

I'm thinking of doing a clean install which do you think gives better performance?

P4-630 · Jun 26, 2022

I vote for windows 11, it will utilize the P and E cores better.

eidairaman1 · Jun 26, 2022

P4-630 said:
I vote for windows 11, it will utilize the P and E cores better.

11 is as much a pita as 10 is

gffermari · Jun 26, 2022

There's no difference between 10 and 11 anymore. It's highly unlikely to find a case of Win 10 being ahead by a significant margin.

GerKNG · Jun 26, 2022

gffermari said:
There's no difference between 10 and 11 anymore

that's true.
Windows 11 is as bad as windows 10 with the chromebook cores.
even newer games like valorant run on the last e core rather than p cores.
R6 Siege stutters a lot with e cores enabled and DX11 since the last season (again) but windows 10 still has some DRM issues that are not present on Windows 11.

eazen · Jun 28, 2022

It’s better but as proven in benchmarks only about 0-1%, so it’s hardly worth talking about.

P4-630 · Jun 28, 2022

eazen said:
It’s better but as proven in benchmarks only about 0-1%, so it’s hardly worth talking about.

sources?

eazen · Jun 28, 2022

P4-630 said:
sources?

Intel Alder Lake: Windows 11 vs. Windows 10 Performance

After reviewing all 12th-gen Intel Core CPUs, today we're taking a look at how these new processors compare when using Windows 10 and Windows 11, plus Windows...

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It’s not even better as 10, it depends on what you do, but mostly it’s a wash and really doesn’t matter.

ThrashZone · Jun 28, 2022

Hi,
Yeah if your cooling is good it really doesn't matter which os.

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eidairaman1 · Jun 28, 2022

11 is just a refreshed 10, nothing special about it, more of the same crap. Nothing good about the gui, clunky as hell

P4-630 · Jun 28, 2022

eidairaman1 said:
11 is just a refreshed 10, nothing special about it, more of the same crap. Nothing good about the gui, clunky as hell

Yeah, yeah we all know your still on 7.....

I prefer an OS that's not EOL and still getting security updates for years to come....

eazen · Jun 28, 2022

P4-630 said:
Yeah, yeah we all know your still on 7.....

I prefer an OS that's not EOL and still getting security updates for years to come....

Windows 10 is fully supported at least 2024 or even 2025, so no worries there. 11 is as relevant as Vista at this point or 8, it has zero upsides compared to 10.

Solaris17 · Jun 29, 2022

eazen said:
Windows 10 is fully supported at least 2024 or even 2025, so no worries there. 11 is as relevant as Vista at this point or 8, it has zero upsides compared to 10.

So case closed?

eazen · Jun 29, 2022

Solaris17 said:
So case closed?

I don’t know? Not my thread.

freeagent · Jun 29, 2022

11 is getting better.. it is snappy af for me though.. and prettier than 10, it’s kind of like 7/11

ir_cow · Jun 29, 2022

P4-630 said:
I vote for windows 11, it will utilize the P and E cores better.

I don't know if M$ fix it or not, but Win 10 has issues with E-Cores.

l0tus · Jun 29, 2022

Solaris17 said:
So case closed?

For sure thanks yall for the info

ThrashZone · Jun 29, 2022

l0tus said:
For sure thanks yall for the info

Hi,
Here's a little more
Please fill in your system spec's page :cool:

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/account/specs

Mussels · Jun 29, 2022

11 is less likely to have scheduling issues, but they're still making it more or less work perfectly on 10.

IMO 11 is a clear and undeniable improvement over 10 - you'll never even notice the changes that make life better if you're short tempered and only get mad that you have to learn a few trivial changes.

multi monitor and high DPI scaling is way, WAY better in 11 and the OS-wide dark theme support is fantastic.

eazen · Jun 29, 2022

Mussels said:
IMO 11 is a clear and undeniable improvement over 10 - you'll never even notice the changes that make life better if you're short tempered and only get mad that you have to learn a few trivial changes.

No point changing something which works perfect when there’s 0 relevant upsides to 11. Microsoft didn’t force us this time via DX, otherwise I would’ve even used 8.1 way longer. It’s a nice OS but it’s the 8.1 and Vista compared to 10, maybe Windows 12 will be more relevant, otherwise I’ll switch when the support runs out.

Mussels · Jun 29, 2022

eazen said:
No point changing something which works perfect when there’s 0 relevant upsides to 11. Microsoft didn’t force us this time via DX, otherwise I would’ve even used 8.1 way longer. It’s a nice OS but it’s the 8.1 and Vista compared to 10, maybe Windows 12 will be more relevant, otherwise I’ll switch when the support runs out.

I just listed a whole bunch of relevant upsides. 11 isn't just a reskin, they just kept a lot the same to stop people bitching about being unable to find various settings and features.
It's like saying 10 is NT with a theme on top because the classic control panel is the same.

No one forces you to use it or like it, but for the love of google dont spread baseless crap just because non-tech journalists wrote a bunch of clickbait about it when it first came out

eazen · Jun 29, 2022

Mussels said:
I just listed a whole bunch of relevant upsides. 11 isn't just a reskin, they just kept a lot the same to stop people bitching about being unable to find various settings and features.
It's like saying 10 is NT with a theme on top because the classic control panel is the same.

No one forces you to use it or like it, but for the love of google dont spread baseless crap just because non-tech journalists wrote a bunch of clickbait about it when it first came out

I don’t think you can compare 10 to NT comparing it to 11, that’s a little far fetched. As most people already pointed out (everywhere not just here), it’s mostly a incremental upgrade and a cosmetic one, and none of the “functions” it brings to the table are important. I’m sorry, it’s not Windows 7 or 10, it’s just like another 8.1.

P4-630 · Jun 29, 2022

eazen said:
it’s just like another 8.1

It seems you never tried windows 8.1... :laugh:

eazen · Jun 29, 2022

P4-630 said:
It seems you never tried windows 8.1...

In fact I did and it was just like a better Windows 7, and comparable to Windows 10. I bet you didn’t.

ThrashZone · Jun 29, 2022

P4-630 said:
It seems you never tried windows 8.1...

Hi,
If you go by start menus 8 and 11 have a lot in common :laugh:

8.1 was an improvement.

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