windows 10 worth the upgrade?

jonathan1107 · Aug 1, 2015

Strictly from a GAMER's perspective, is it worth upgrading?
I know it will support dx12 of course. But are there any "benchmarks" out there to showcase the Windows 10 FPS increase in games. Is there enough concrete evidence that the upgrade should be a "no-brainer" ?

FordGT90Concept · Aug 1, 2015

The framerate is about the same as Windows 8.1 but supposedly there are fewer jumps in frame time due to WDDM 2.0 in Windows 10. 8.1 and 10 are slightly faster than 7.

R-T-B · Aug 1, 2015

If you are running 7 you'll get grandfathered into the huge leaps made in 8/8.1.

You also won't have to deal with Metro near as much. And those leaps are pretty big.

The leaps if you were already running 8 would be far less.

m&m's · Aug 1, 2015

From what I've seen, between 8.1 and 10, there is a difference of about 1-2 and sometimes 3 fps.

Windows 8.1 vs 10 graphics performance review

To take with a grain of salt.

jonathan1107 · Aug 13, 2015

R-T-B said:
If you are running 7 you'll get grandfathered into the huge leaps made in 8/8.1.

You also won't have to deal with Metro near as much. And those leaps are pretty big.

The leaps if you were already running 8 would be far less.

when you say "you won't have todeal with "metro" near as much" ... what is "metro" ?

R-T-B · Aug 13, 2015

jonathan1107 said:
when you say "you won't have todeal with "metro" near as much" ... what is "metro" ?

Metro is best described by Wikipedia. It's an app design philosophy by Microsoft that is more tablet oriented.

kn00tcn · Aug 13, 2015

from a privacy & control perspective, it most certainly isnt

you shouldnt upgrade things if your games run fine already

NC37 · Aug 13, 2015

jonathan1107 said:
when you say "you won't have todeal with "metro" near as much" ... what is "metro" ?

The bane of all existence and the epitome of mankind's evil heart! It must die, with fire, and more fire, and then tossed into a black hole...then more fire.

Blue-Knight · Aug 14, 2015

jonathan1107 said:
Strictly from a GAMER's perspective, is it worth upgrading?

Definitely.

R-T-B · Aug 14, 2015

kn00tcn said:
from a privacy & control perspective, it most certainly isnt

you shouldnt upgrade things if your games run fine already

That's not the perspective he asked for.

jonathan1107 · Aug 14, 2015

R-T-B said:
That's not the perspective he asked for.

To be honest, I've seen youtube benchmarks of windows 10 vs windows 7 in games and the difference is often in the favor of windows 7 actually. With the possible exception that the GPUs seem to run a bit cooler on windows 10 (no idea how) ... anyhow.

I'll wait for dx12 titles to start coming out before going through all the hoops to get windows 10 installed. I'd definitly upgrade to windows 10 if the Frames Per Second gain was around 10%+

Which it doesn't seem to be (when looking @ legit benchmarks...) (not hyped, biased, sponsored ones)

R-T-B · Aug 14, 2015

jonathan1107 said:
To be honest, I've seen youtube benchmarks of windows 10 vs windows 7 in games and the difference is often in the favor of windows 7 actually. With the possible exception that the GPUs seem to run a bit cooler on windows 10 (no idea how) ... anyhow.

I'll wait for dx12 titles to start coming out before going through all the hoops to get windows 10 installed. I'd definitly upgrade to windows 10 if the Frames Per Second gain was around 10%+

Which it doesn't seem to be (when looking @ legit benchmarks...) (not hyped, biased, sponsored ones)

I'm sorry I didn't provide the gaming perspective.

8/8.1 made the huge leap honestly. and it's still about 10% yeah. 10 is still beta enough that the leaps it makes are not competitive or consistent, honestly.

This is my assessment after actually playing with it.

Atomic77 · Aug 15, 2015

To answer the question about metro that was asked on this topic Metro as far as I know is the start screen with all the tiles on it and apps that are mostly meant for a touch screen.. As for the other part of the discussion I don't really know about 10 because im not messing with it.

purplekaycee · Aug 18, 2015

Can I upgrade to windows 10 from 8,?

AsRock · Aug 18, 2015

purplekaycee said:
Can I upgrade to windows 10 from 8,?

Only if you update to win 8.1 first
http://www.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/windows-10-specifications#upgrade

steen · Aug 18, 2015

AsRock said:
Only if you update to win 8.1 first

Not entirely correct. You can upgrade from vanilla 7 & 8 if you use the MS USB/ISO download tool (or MSDN image).

https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/software-download/windows10

Caring1 · Aug 18, 2015

steen said:
Not entirely correct. You can upgrade from vanilla 7 & 8 if you use the MS USB/ISO download tool (or MSDN image).

Not entirely correct, you can upgrade via GWX on W7 and W8.1.
Use the ISO at your own risk.

GreiverBlade · Aug 18, 2015

jonathan1107 said:
Strictly from a GAMER's perspective, is it worth upgrading?
I know it will support dx12 of course. But are there any "benchmarks" out there to showcase the Windows 10 FPS increase in games. Is there enough concrete evidence that the upgrade should be a "no-brainer" ?

it would be ... once the guinea pig will say : ok, on a case to case basis...

for me its a : NO, on the main rig for the moment , since the auto update from M$ now decide which video driver is the best and install it for me ... and no the latest nvidia driver is not the best, security update and patch yes, but NO M$ you don't have the right to choose which driver i have to install, I do that myself quite correctly since my 1st PC.

altho i did make the upgrade on my Laptop (Dell Vostro 15 3549) and it's flawless, tho it's a pretty basic laptop (i5-5200U HD Graphics 5500 Realtek lan and Broadcom bluetooth+Wlan combo) the only problem i got on that one is my bluetooth mouse refuse to pair again with the lappy (but i guess i forgot to reset the previous pairing :laugh:

so it's my fault), although i did notice a little better in some game i play (DX9/DX11) but the lappy was under 8.1 Pro

DX12? if the rate of adoption will be higher than DX11 ... well it might be something worth it ... (Final Fantasy XIV passed from DX9 to DX11 only this year with the Heavensward release :laugh:

)

short version,
for my laptop for casual mobile gaming and day to day task (browsing, movie playback, etc ): worth it.
for my desktop: not worth it (unless they stop controlling the drivers updates, or give the mean to disable it without a script for user who know what they do. one Apple is enough.)

DEFEATEST · Aug 18, 2015

If I may ask a side question here. If I like the upgrade and all is good with my gaming......and in 3 months my mobo dies or I buy new rig do I then have to buy full win 10 copy?

Jack1n · Aug 18, 2015

DEFEATEST said:
If I may ask a side question here. If I like the upgrade and all is good with my gaming......and in 3 months my mobo dies or I buy new rig do I then have to buy full win 10 copy?

Only if you upgrade from an OEM windows, in which case if your motherboard dies you would have to buy a new windows anyway, if its a retail copy you own then you will NOT have to buy a new copy.

Jetster · Aug 18, 2015

DEFEATEST said:
If I may ask a side question here. If I like the upgrade and all is good with my gaming......and in 3 months my mobo dies or I buy new rig do I then have to buy full win 10 copy?

Technically yes if it an OEM copy on your current PC. And you build a new PC you will have to buy a new copy of Windows 10.
But Ive done many board changes with an OEM copy and worse case I called MS and did the automated activation.
So that should work.
The OEM license does cover board changes as long as its the same board. You just have to call.

If your thinking about upgrading to Windows 10.
There have been some glitches that need to get worked out.
Have a back up or your original copy of windows, image, recovery partition in case it fails.
If your not prepared for a clean install then don't do the upgrade.

RyanK · Aug 18, 2015

Take into consideration that DX12 has not yet been implemented into any games. We do have the first DX12 title on the way who's name escapes me. I'm on 7 now, system is stable, I feel no need to upgrade at the moment with all the complaints of driver or software troubles with games.

kn00tcn · Aug 18, 2015

RyanK said:
Take into consideration that DX12 has not yet been implemented into any games. We do have the first DX12 title on the way who's name escapes me. I'm on 7 now, system is stable, I feel no need to upgrade at the moment with all the complaints of driver or software troubles with games.

ashes of singularity, it's out or at least the benchmark

Aquinus · Aug 19, 2015

Once I got my driver issues squared away, I felt like Windows 10 is a little bit faster than 7. I get higher scores on the Valley benchmark in Windows 10.

tabascosauz · Aug 19, 2015

kn00tcn said:
ashes of singularity, it's out or at least the benchmark

Oh look, it's the "game" from Stardock that is essentially Star Swarm in a playable package.

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windows 10 worth the upgrade?

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