Windows 11 General Discussion

[ThrashZone]

Yeah i'm pretty sure that went wrong with my install too, as i couldnt disable the NVME drive - my W11 bootloader is on my W10 SSD

Hi,
Better a windows boot loader than a linux grub lol

 

[Mussels]

I've genuinely never dealt with it before, as with SATA/IDE i'd always disconnect the power to the drives

Probs wont matter, as eventually the NVME drive will get upgraded to W11 and this being on the preview is likely to get a wipey wipe regardless

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
bcd commands in cmd can move it or use easy bcd it does it for you

Download EasyBCD - MajorGeeks

EasyBCD helps you take control of your boot loader. EasyBCD supercharges your Windows PC, allowing you to dual-boot to your heart's content.

www.majorgeeks.com

Tutorial here link to easy bcd doesn't work though interface should be the same

https://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/209885-bootmgr-move-c-easybcd.html

 

[Mussels]

Yeah, that looks stupidly easy to copy and change.

Related, this W11 doesnt have the extra small usual partitions - is that a seperate issue, or a non-issue?

 

[FireFox]

Probs wont matter, as eventually the NVME drive will get upgraded to W11 and this being on the preview is likely to get a wipey wipe regardless

Lucky you.
I will keep W10 and will install Windows 11 maybe in the same SSD where i have it now or will buy a 970 for it.

 

[ThrashZone]

Yeah, that looks stupidly easy to copy and change.

Related, this W11 doesnt have the extra small usual partitions - is that a seperate issue, or a non-issue?

Hi,
What are you using to see it some don't show up in disk management.
Free mini tool can see all partitions if they exist.

 

[plastiscɧ]

Hi,
What are you using to see it some don't show up in disk management.
Free mini tool can see all partitions if they exist.

you helped me. now get some return match. u ll get a PM soon

 

[Splinterdog]

What about uninstalling the old drivers and then installing the new ones? Through Device Manager or update history (in control panel, programs and features, installed updates) if it's available there?


Damn! Cool (pun not intended) setup, though.

In the end, wumgr appears to have fixed the issue of older GPU drivers overwriting the current ones. I managed to get wumgr to ignore the ancient drivers that Win 11 kept installing.

GitHub - DavidXanatos/wumgr: Windows update managemetn tool for windows 10

Windows update managemetn tool for windows 10. Contribute to DavidXanatos/wumgr development by creating an account on GitHub.

github.com

 

[plastiscɧ]

Yeah, that looks stupidly easy to copy and change.

Related, this W11 doesnt have the extra small usual partitions - is that a seperate issue, or a non-issue?

no just the standart 4.
100MB/16MB/driveGB/550MB

 

[Shrek]

What is nice is that the UUP iso builds of 22000.71 (Pro and Home together) fit on a single sided DVD again

 

[plastiscɧ]

Yeah i'm pretty sure that went wrong with my install too, as i couldnt disable the NVME drive - my W11 bootloader is on my W10 SSD

{delete that folder on the wrong disk!
then do an inplace upgrade by unpacking the iso file (win.rar e.g.) und right click on the setup.exe as an administrator.
follow the steps. the partition will get written new.}

but wait! ofc its on the W10 drive. its the maindrive for all the OSystems. The WINre section (blue environment) settles there. u cannot change it

 

[FireFox]

Look at the m.2 and see if it now has a small partition on it or show both disks using free mini tool

This?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Depends on the size of your drive i guess.
1TB and...

Sorry, it's still a waste for a feature that with the advent of SSDs(and even modern high performance HDDs) has minimal value. Additionally, hibernation is still a somewhat glitchy experience depending on the hardware. It's best to disable it.

Yeah i'm pretty sure that went wrong with my install too, as i couldnt disable the NVME drive - my W11 bootloader is on my W10 SSD

This is because you installed Win11 while your Win10 drive was enabled/visible to the system. Always install Windows after disabling/disconnecting all other drives in the system. Reconnect them only after installation is complete. Then you can use the motherboard/system boot select menu to choose which drive to boot from.

 

[FireFox]

This is because you installed Win11 while your Win10 drive was enabled/visible to the system.

It is not possible to disable a NVME drive, only option it is to remove it from your motherboard.

 

[plastiscɧ]

This?
View attachment 208693

yes! all are related to boot sections or shadowcopies.

 

[FireFox]

Then you can use the motherboard/system boot select menu to choose which drive to boot from.

You can do that from here too

yes! all are related to boot sections or shadowcopies.

View attachment 208710

@ThrashZone said to Look at the m.2 and see if it now has a small partition on it, is there any specific folder where i should look?

 

[lexluthermiester]

You can do that from here too

View attachment 208711

Yes, but if you want to change default drives the process becomes more difficult. One is bootable, the other(s) are not. It's better to isolate drives during installation and use a boot selection method external to the OS.

 

[plastiscɧ]

It is not possible to disable a NVME drive, only option it is to remove it from your motherboard.

bois! a PC is a machine which can only process logical procedures!! i just tell my motherboard to set up the eligible wrong settings according to the nanoSSDs and the NVME just will not work. not initiate nore boot.
so? conclusion is they are switched off!
its time to learn to get a bit nasty in life....
@Mussels

You can do that from here too

View attachment 208711



@ThrashZone said to Look at the m.2 and see if it now has a small partition on it, is there any specific folder where i should look?

no.

and if he would write me a message could have done it by himself a long time ago...
@ThrashZone

 

[ThrashZone]

This?
View attachment 208693

Hi,
Yep that active & system belongs to the 11 install
Think the 499mb gpt recovery partition also belongs to 11 as well

This is mainly why all disks need to be removed on a clean install seeing there's two of them and this is a data m.2 ?
If this were linux there would be a hidden grub partition yikes lol

 

[plastiscɧ]

Hi,
Yep that active & system belongs to the 11 install
Think the 499mb gpt recovery partition also belongs to 11 as well

This is mainly why all disks need to be removed on a clean install seeing there's two of them and this is a data m.2 ?
If this were linux there would be a hidden grub partition yikes lol

sir!? i strongly recommend you write me a private message according to this SSD topic.
i cant adress u. thanks

 

[Mussels]

Hi,
What are you using to see it some don't show up in disk management.
Free mini tool can see all partitions if they exist.

Disk 0 is 11, Disk 1 is Win10 (the original OS that has the bootloader)

 

[windwhirl]

Disk 0 is 11, Disk 1 is Win10 (the original OS that has the bootloader)

The single-partition case in Disk 0 is possible if you had the whole drive formatted as a single partition from the start and didn't erase the partition during Windows's setup.

Otherwise, if your drive is fully blank (no partitions) Windows does the partitioning more or less like Disk 1, though for that matter I have a different arrangement:

EFI, main and recovery partitions.

Hi,
What are you using to see it some don't show up in disk management.
Free mini tool can see all partitions if they exist.

Yeah, it seems that Windows doesn't like to show the Microsoft Reserved Partition in Disk Management.

The user can use disk management tools such as the Disk Management utility or the diskpart.exe Windows command line. The MSR and any partitions created from the MSR are only visible from the command line.

As far as I know, the reserved 16 MB partition is reserved for use by the OS. No other specific purpose. Though I think it was also used in HDDs to make sure your drive's physical clusters were aligned with the filesystem's logical ones.

The Microsoft Reserved Partition (MSR) reserves space on each disk drive for subsequent use by operating system software. GPT disks do not allow hidden sectors. Software components that formerly used hidden sectors now allocate portions of the MSR for component-specific partitions. For example, converting a basic disk to a dynamic disk causes the MSR on that disk to be reduced in size and a newly created partition holds the dynamic disk database.

Windows and GPT FAQ

Frequently asked questions about Windows and GPT.

docs.microsoft.com

Related, this W11 doesnt have the extra small usual partitions - is that a seperate issue, or a non-issue?

Your EFI partition in the other drive already performs its role for the whole computer, AFAIK (from Microsoft Docs, it seems like you're expected to have a single EFI partition per system, not per disk, though this latter case isn't a completely bad idea, just discouraged).

For UEFI systems, the boot drive must contain an ESP, an MSR, and at least one basic data partition that contains the operating system. Only one ESP should exist on a system even if multiple operating systems are installed on that system. In a mirrored boot configuration there may actually be two drives with an ESP but they are considered to be a redundant copy of the same ESP. Each data drive must contain at least an MSR and one basic data partition.

Windows and GPT FAQ

Frequently asked questions about Windows and GPT.

docs.microsoft.com

Not sure about the recovery partition, though, however your arrangement for your Windows 10 drive is weird in that it places the recovery partition before even the EFI one. According to MS, the recovery partition should be after the data partitions.

This partition must be at least 300 MB.

The Windows Recovery Environment (Windows RE) tools require additional free space:

• A minimum of 52 MB is required but 250 MB is recommended, to accomodate future updates, especially with custom partition layouts.

When calculating free space, note:

• The recovery image, winre.wim, is typically between 250-300MB, depending on what drivers, languages, and customizations you add.
• The file system itself can take up additional space. For example, NTFS may reserve 5-15MB or more on a 750MB partition.

This partition must use the Type ID: DE94BBA4-06D1-4D40-A16A-BFD50179D6AC.

The recovery tools should be in a separate partition than the Windows partition to support automatic failover and to support booting partitions encrypted with Windows BitLocker Drive Encryption.

We recommend that you place this partition immediately after the Windows partition. This allows Windows to modify and recreate the partition later if future updates require a larger recovery image.

UEFI/GPT-based hard drive partitions

UEFI/GPT-based hard drive partitions

docs.microsoft.com

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

ima keep my win 11 in a VM until full release
once its out ima upgrade my gaming pc

 

[Shrek]

22000.51

Ever have the Wi-Fi go to the 'no world' icon, but still surfing fine?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Disk 0 is 11, Disk 1 is Win10 (the original OS that has the bootloader)

What a mess. Do you not partition your drive before install? Here's mine;

See how clean and simple that is?

Always partition your drive yourself. Such allows you to define how it's setup and where Windows can put folders.

The single-partition case in Disk 0 is possible if you had the whole drive formatted as a single partition from the start and didn't erase the partition during Windows's setup.

Otherwise, if your drive is fully blank (no partitions) Windows does the partitioning more or less like Disk 1, though for that matter I have a different arrangement:
View attachment 208770
EFI, main and recovery partitions.

Yeah, it seems that Windows doesn't like to show the Microsoft Reserved Partition in Disk Management.

View attachment 208771
As far as I know, the reserved 16 MB partition is reserved for use by the OS. No other specific purpose. Though I think it was also used in HDDs to make sure your drive's physical clusters were aligned with the filesystem's logical ones.

Windows and GPT FAQ

Frequently asked questions about Windows and GPT.

docs.microsoft.com

Your EFI partition in the other drive already performs its role for the whole computer, AFAIK (from Microsoft Docs, it seems like you're expected to have a single EFI partition per system, not per disk, though this latter case isn't a completely bad idea, just discouraged).

Windows and GPT FAQ

Frequently asked questions about Windows and GPT.

docs.microsoft.com

Not sure about the recovery partition, though, however your arrangement for your Windows 10 drive is weird in that it places the recovery partition before even the EFI one. According to MS, the recovery partition should be after the data partitions.

UEFI/GPT-based hard drive partitions

UEFI/GPT-based hard drive partitions

docs.microsoft.com

No, none of that. When you create a partition for Windows to go into, instead of allowing Setup to automatically create the partition structure, including "Recovery" and "EFI" partitions, Setup just creates folders in the main partition of the same name. Reasons for doing it this way? Should you need to edit or modify the Recovery or EFI data, it as simple as accessing the folders from the file manager. If they are in seperate partitions, the user is generally locked out of those partitions and it's a cumbersome task to get into them.

Defining one single partition for everything in Windows to operate from is the best way to install Windows and has been for decades..