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I've found the easiest way to keep Edge from updating is to delete the Update folder. Actually I delete everything Edge related but the single main application folder.
 
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I've found the easiest way to keep Edge from updating is to delete the Update folder. Actually I delete everything Edge related but the single main application folder.

Did that yesterday. Basically rooted out everything associated and deleted it.

Fingers crossed.
 
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I agree with it. When have beta versions of software(any software) EVER been a great solution?


Yes it is. Beta software is not fit for general public use. That is why "Beta" testing is a thing.
I must agree with this because when something is a "Beta" version that means it's still being tested and developed - On it's own or as is, it's not an answer but is part of the process of finding a solution to issues, plus for finding other issues that may exist.

That's why you often see Beta versions as test releases to a limited number/group of people. They try it, get results and submit their results for the purpose of fixing these issues.

I've never seen a "Beta" version of anything myself to be an answer to anything as in problems have been solved and it's ready to go for general release to the public.

Now - With that said there are some Beta verisons of different things like drivers you can find for example that CAN be downloaded by the public in general, BUT these also have a disclaimer about them possibly being buggy or just causing problems in general because of what they are in the first place.
 
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I've found the easiest way to keep Edge from updating is to delete the Update folder. Actually I delete everything Edge related but the single main application folder.
Same here. Edge gets COMPLETELY removed. I will not have a microsoft web browser on my PC. Ever.
 

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"Just like"? No way. Windows Updates is totally different. They are not beta versions
They certainly can be, even on the mainstream release channel you get offered a clicky button to install pre-releases early, and anyone on the beta and dev channels is clearly getting exactly that - beta updates.

fyi, I figured out the Windows 11 glitch I was having where I could not close/minize in upper right corner of file explorer.

it had something to do with my roccat kone aimo mouse failing. ever since i finally retired it due its double click, and went to a different mouse I have had 0 issues.

that is so strange, lol. computers really do have a mind of their own sometimes. i just can't equate a mouse failing to causing errors in file explorer (but I was still able to browse the internet/play games just fine 99% of the time)
I've seen mouse software do things like this in the past, with mouse smoothing - they can make assumptions about the intended movement and have weird behavious. My retired logitech G700 had a fast sleep and slow wakeup time, so small movements on high res displays would often result in nothing happening - by the time it woke up, you'd already stopped moving the mouse, and had to spin it a spiral to keep it awake to do the movement
This triggered for me when i moved to 4K, and theres no explanation for why it behaves this way. Assumption is that it was doing some sort of translation math that got broken at higher resolutions, or with DPI scaling - running without the logitech software removed the issue, but also made the mouse go flat in under a day.

I've never seen a "Beta" version of anything myself to be an answer to anything as in problems have been solved and it's ready to go for general release to the public.
Almost every BETA BIOS for my asus motherboards has simply had the beta tag removed and been 100% identical to the final release - they literally jsut remove the word beta, add +1 to the version and release
This got me the PBO controls for a 5800x3D 3 weeks earlier, for the exact same thing, as well as security updates that would matter in certain environments. Beta bad.

Somehow Beta - a public release that's been verified as "should be good to go for everyone but undergoing final testing" is being treated as "first draft of a new malware"
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Why wait 3 months for the fTPM fix, if you were affected?
Oh no i bought a 5800x3D but the BIOS is only a BETA? Better buy a new motherboard?

I get it from a business perspective, but as an end user its a joke to never use a beta. Just read what they change, if it benefits you - use it.

OpenRGB had no official release for a year and a half, but had nightly beta updates and ones marked as major milestones for users to use while they kept adding features for example, and that level of difference was having a program that didnt support my hardware, to one that supported all of it.
 
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Yeah an amd rig you'd pray for bios or driver fixes lol
Intel or at least mine not so much :cool:
 
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Hi guys!

Is there an easy one-method solution to castrating Windows 11? It's become really intrusive with all those undisablable "features" that they keep insisting on spoonfeeding its users as a blanket rule.

Particularly I want to disable their antivirus permanently, delete Edge completely and of course all the regular things such as stop any/all telemetry/error reporting and similar things from existing.

Asking in case there's one place to do all that? Maybe that's wanting too much for 2023 :rolleyes:

Would simply use Linux if I was not dependent on some really good software that only works on Windows (WINE is sadly not a complete solution for me).
 
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I am going to upgrade from Windows 10. Do I have to let windows update itself to upgrade my W10 key to W11 or can I do a clean install and then input my W10 key?
 
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I am going to upgrade from Windows 10. Do I have to let windows update itself to upgrade my W10 key to W11 or can I do a clean install and then input my W10 key?
You can do a clean install with the Win 10 key. I did it like that for someone a month ago.
 

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Yeah an amd rig you'd pray for bios or driver fixes lol
Intel or at least mine not so much :cool:
Do you want me to go through your entire post history and find every bug and problem you've ever had, or would you like to stop the AMD bashing?

You know better.

You can do a clean install with the Win 10 key. I did it like that for someone a month ago.
You add the key later, post install for the best success rate
 
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Yeah you might have to mussels besides hwinfo bug I've not had to many issues might show how many times you run threads off topic first hehe

Looks like ms is going to change print screen key function soon to activate snipping tool instead.
The setting has existed for a while so like all things ms they think people are to stupid to find stuff so they'll show you lol :laugh:
I like what PS key does as is but also pint snipping tool to taskbar as well to do what it does best
But both are older win-7 apps not newer ones.


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When you press the Print-key on Windows 11, Windows copies a screenshot of the desktop to the operating system's 
desktop. This option has been the default for a long time on Windows, but it may soon come to an end.

Microsoft introduced a change in a recent Windows 11 Insider build that is changing the mapping of the Print-key. Activation 
of the key will then launch the Snipping Tool of the operating system, and no longer create a screenshot of the desktop and 
copy it to the Clipboard. The tool is ready and prompts users to draw a rectangle on the screen to capture the screenshot.

Microsoft announced the change when it released Windows 11 build 22624.1546 to the public. There, Microsoft notes that 
pressing the Print screen key will open the Snipping Tool by default now on the operating system.

The company adds, that users may restore the previous mapping and that it won't make the change if users have modified
 the setting themselves. This should include any screenshot tool, like PicPick, that users have installed that has taken over 
the mapping of the Print-key on the device.

Here is Microsoft's entire message regarding the change: "Pressing the print screen key will now open Snipping Tool by 
default. This setting can be turned off via Settings > Accessibility > Keyboard. If you have previously modified this setting 
yourself, your preference will be preserved."

The Snipping Tool is the default screen capturing tool on Windows 11 devices. It supports multiple screen capturing modes, 
including full-screen and regional screenshots, and supports screen recording functionality as well as of recently.

Any screenshot captured with the Snipping Tool is copied to the Clipboard automatically by default. Windows 11 users may 
turn off the functionality.

All in all, it may still add another step to the screenshot taking process for some users. There is, however, an option to disable 
the change in the Settings.

Oops missed the news thread here
 
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Yeah you might have to mussels besides hwinfo bug I've not had to many issues might show how many times you run threads off topic first hehe

Looks like ms is going to change print screen key function soon to activate snipping tool instead.
The setting has existed for a while so like all things ms they think people are to stupid to find stuff so they'll show you lol :laugh:
I like what PS key does as is but also pint snipping tool to taskbar as well to do what it does best
But both are older win-7 apps not newer ones.


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When you press the Print-key on Windows 11, Windows copies a screenshot of the desktop to the operating system's
desktop. This option has been the default for a long time on Windows, but it may soon come to an end.

Microsoft introduced a change in a recent Windows 11 Insider build that is changing the mapping of the Print-key. Activation
of the key will then launch the Snipping Tool of the operating system, and no longer create a screenshot of the desktop and
copy it to the Clipboard. The tool is ready and prompts users to draw a rectangle on the screen to capture the screenshot.

Microsoft announced the change when it released Windows 11 build 22624.1546 to the public. There, Microsoft notes that
pressing the Print screen key will open the Snipping Tool by default now on the operating system.

The company adds, that users may restore the previous mapping and that it won't make the change if users have modified
the setting themselves. This should include any screenshot tool, like PicPick, that users have installed that has taken over
the mapping of the Print-key on the device.

Here is Microsoft's entire message regarding the change: "Pressing the print screen key will now open Snipping Tool by
default. This setting can be turned off via Settings > Accessibility > Keyboard. If you have previously modified this setting
yourself, your preference will be preserved."

The Snipping Tool is the default screen capturing tool on Windows 11 devices. It supports multiple screen capturing modes,
including full-screen and regional screenshots, and supports screen recording functionality as well as of recently.

Any screenshot captured with the Snipping Tool is copied to the Clipboard automatically by default. Windows 11 users may
turn off the functionality.

All in all, it may still add another step to the screenshot taking process for some users. There is, however, an option to disable
the change in the Settings.

Oops missed the news thread here
Um, phkU microsoft! They better permanently keep an option to restore the PrtScr key the way it works currently and has worked for 3+ decades! It's not broken, it doe NOT need fixing! DON'T change it boneheads! Some of us DON'T and WILL NEVER use the Snipping Tool. Some of us, like myself, uninstall it. Dumbass morons...

Lately, it's like every time they/we turn around, microsoft screws up something that works perfectly.:(

Seriously @microsoft, QUIT MESSING WITH THINGS THAT WORK PERFECTLY! You're embarrassing yourselves with your nitwit design choices... :kookoo::shadedshu:
 

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Yeah i use the snipping too a lot, but this is silly. Hide it behind Win+Prnt screen or something, don't change a default behaviour like that.
 
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Yeah the kicker is it seems ms will switch the default even if it's now disabled
But says they wont switch it again in the future if changed
Who the hell believes that, if that were the case they would honor it being off to begin with but that's no fun :slap:
 

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is snipping tool the same thing as ctrl + shift + s

I use that to take screenshots... as long as they don't change that I am happy.
 
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is snipping tool the same thing as ctrl + shift + s

I use that to take screenshots... as long as they don't change that I am happy.
They're slightly different but not by much.
 
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@lexluthermiester - You, correctly IMO, ask posters to avoid Linux promoting, instigating emotive issues and Windows bashing. Then, in the very same sentence no less :rolleyes:, you bash Microsoft for being "dumbasses" because Windows 11 has certain restrictions, conditions, and minimum requirements (or what you are criticizing as "limitations" :rolleyes:) because it won't do what you want it to. You speak with forked tongue. :(

Your initial claim for starting this thread was admirable. It is sad you decided to bash MS and W10 in the same breath you asked others not to. :(

FTR everyone, TPM 2.0 (trusted platform module), also known as ISO/IEC 11889, is an international "standard" for a secure cryptoprocessor, a dedicated microcontroller designed to secure hardware through integrated cryptographic keys. This is NOT something Microsoft created to suddenly shove down our throats! It is an industry standard developed by and is being promoted primarily by the hardware industry, along with business organizations and academia as well! As seen by the TPM Membership page, Microsoft is just one company among dozens that include AMD, Cisco, Dell, HP, IBM, Intel, Micron, Redhat, WD, GE, and many more.

Microsoft is doing their part by ensuring W11 complies with these international hardware security standards put in place to protect us!!!! That's not being dumbasses! That's doing the right thing! For us! If you want to blame some one, blame the bad guys, the hackers, malware developers, state-run cyber-criminals, and the anti-malware industry for failing to do their jobs.

Even Apple uses TPM, but of course, they have their own proprietary version, so Macs will not (at least for now) support W11. :(

And of course UEFI is a similar international standard for hardware and firmware where again, Microsoft is just one company among many, primarily hardware companies, as seen here.

Contrary to what some just don't seem to get, or want the rest of us to believe, it is the hardware and security industries, not Microsoft, who are the primary driving forces in the advances in computer hardware and IT security. Sure, Microsoft has a say but as you can see, they are just one company out of many in several different industries. It is up the operating system developers to ensure their latest versions support the latest standards. And it is up to the hardware makers to ensure their products also support those standards. It is NOT up to OS developers to support legacy, superseded, obsolete hardware and software.

If W11 did not support the latest industry standards and instead, decided to go their own proprietary way - again - who do you think will be first in line to bash them for not complying with industry standards again? For sure, it would be those same people who are now bashing them for complying with them. :rolleyes:

So how about starting over with this thread, and keep the personal biases and hatred for Microsoft and Windows out of this? Okay?

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I am curious what will happen when W11 becomes more widespread and how that will affect sites and programs that still have some dependence, connection, association (can't find the right word) with Internet Explorer now that IE is completely excised from W11. My spamblocker, MailWasher Pro, for example, uses ".Net WebBroswer" to call up your browser if you click on a link in one of your email messages. Because .Net WebBrowser is IE based, if you don't already have a browser session open with your default browser, it calls up IE. This causes an error with W11. :(

This is an example where 3rd party developers are going to have catch up with the times.
Yes I totally agree with you here. I wasn't all that excited when Windows 11 first came out, I thought it was too soon to do so. But I was late getting on board with Win 10 so that's probably why I was feeling that way. But for whatever reason, I decided to check it out. So I installed it, and have been using it ever since. I've read that many people are having issues with their clean installs, but I have to admit I've not run into any problems with it myself, and I work with it more so than the general public being a computer repair technician. Not one install of Windows 11 has failed me with my customers. Nor on my machine where I'm using 6 mechanical drives in a raid 5 configuration, and have my CPU over-clocked most of the time, along with 2 SSD's. I believe that Win 11 is very robust straight out the box if you ask me. I have no issues with it, well, I do with the start button being centered on the taskbar, that's aggravating as hell, until i found the option to place it back where it belongs, other than that, I'm good with it.
 
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