Windows 11 General Discussion

[R-T-B]

No one is suggesting something like this be run as a daily driver. This is just tinkering for the fun of it. @theFOoL is just playing around for giggles. He has newer hardware to run on and has Win10LTSC as a backup.

That's all well and good but don't waste too much effort on it is all I am saying, because you have a figurative mountain in front of you, and she's prone to landslides.

 

[Onasi]

@lexluthermiester
See, you say that and people like us understand this, but there will absolutely be galaxy-brained people who know enough just to be dangerous to themselves and will absolutely attempt running this as a daily if it were to happen, any concerns be damned. Just like the imbeciles users that go “Oh, I never update Windows, I learned it hurts performance” or “I removed Windows Security and have not replaced it with anything cause me smart and would never get malware” or “I turned off all power saving features and absolutely raped my OS timers and UEFI settings for meaningless lower LatencyMon number to get out of Wood in Call of Counterwatch”.
You know the people. Sometimes, I believe that democratization of computing was a mistake. *sigh*

 

[lexluthermiester]

because you have a figurative mountain in front of you, and she's prone to landslides.

Oh? Code from microsoft? No! You don't say..

So true though.

@lexluthermiester
See, you say that and people like us understand this, but there will absolutely be galaxy-brained people who know enough just to be dangerous to themselves and will absolutely attempt running this as a daily if it were to happen, any concerns be damned. Just like the imbeciles users that go “Oh, I never update Windows, I learned it hurts performance” or “I removed Windows Security and have not replaced it with anything cause me smart and would never get malware” or “I turned off all power saving features and absolutely raped my OS timers and UEFI settings for meaningless lower LatencyMon number to get out of Wood in Call of Counterwatch”.
You know the people. Sometimes, I believe that democratization of computing was a mistake. *sigh*

Oh goodness am I not responding to that in any detail.. Just gonna pass it by, yup..

 

[theFOoL]

For now I'm just waiting for updates to programs and such. Looking to see if one creates a emu for that cpu or whatever. I have 10ET/11ET/WiN11 and WIN7Go on this 128GB SSD to USB/Sata cable hooked in the back USB port 2.0 (yes but runs great on my system) but I don't have a new system as I'm Here to keep this 775 System alive. I do have this Hp 8460p which has 24H2 but during the install it prompted my system won't have certain things but I didn't care

If one Here ask how do you have so much windows but all I can say is I pirate but there's nothing wrong as I haven't had any issues. Plus I do use cracked programs and windows acts

 

[lexluthermiester]

For now I'm just waiting for updates to programs and such. Looking to see if one creates a emu for that cpu or whatever. I have 10ET/11ET/WiN11 and WIN7Go on this 128GB SSD to USB/Sata cable hooked in the back USB port 2.0 (yes but runs great on my system) but I don't have a new system as I'm Here to keep this 775 System alive. I do have this Hp 8460p which has 24H2 but during the install it prompted my system won't have certain things but I didn't care

If one Here ask how do you have so much windows but all I can say is I pirate but there's nothing wrong as I haven't had any issues. Plus I do use cracked programs and windows acts

Oh damn, did not know that. Thought you had a Corei7 something or other as your main system. Might have been thinking of someone else..

On a side note. 23H2 will still be in support for 18ish months, so you don't NEED to run 24H2. Might time to get a newer system though. There are plenty of good options out there on the cheap. PM me if you like some ideas.

 

[theFOoL]

That i7 cpu is on my Hp 8460p...

Just bc one has/wants an old system doesn't mean it's not available to run 24H2. I mean... Come on M$ make a ISO without this trending mess called AI

 

[lexluthermiester]

That i7 cpu is on my Hp 8460p...

Just bc one has/wants an old system doesn't mean it's not available to run 24H2. I mean... Come on M$ make a ISO without this trending mess called AI

Oh I agree! This is not just a Windows thing though. Most Linux distros have switched over to the kernel version that now requires POPCNT/SSE4.2 as well, so this isn't just microsoft. It's an industry wide thing.

 

[Onasi]

Just bc one has/wants an old system doesn't mean it's not available to run 24H2.

That’s kinda exactly what it means. MS made a decision to drop the support for hardware that is absolutely out of date, and, as mentioned already, pretty much every OS already did the same. This is like being bewildered and surprised that your GTX 8800 doesn’t support DX12. Or that the original iPhone isn’t getting iOS 18.

Oh goodness am I not responding to that in any detail.. Just gonna pass it by, yup..

Fair, this was more of me screaming into the void than making a point on anything.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Fair, this was more of me screaming into the void than making a point on anything.

No worries. I wasn't not wanting to respond to you personally, it was more the points you made which strike nerves with me in very irritating ways. It's nothing personal toward you.

 

[theFOoL]

Umm OK like I don't see why M$ just doesn't block those PC with lower GPU then omg if one gpu doesn't support the DirectX then what is M$ even doing. Like I remember I had a poor 1gb card on 23H2

 

[lexluthermiester]

Like I remember I had a poor 1gb card on 23H2

And that's the thing, you still can until they drop support for 23H2, which will be 2026(IIRC) Nov11th 2025.

 

[theFOoL]

....Just bc they drop support doesn't mean one should switch to something else

 

[Onasi]

Umm OK like I don't see why M$ just doesn't block those PC with lower GPU then omg if one gpu doesn't support the DirectX then what is M$ even doing. Like I remember I had a poor 1gb card on 23H2

That was just an example, it’s not GPUs in this case. And, uh, that’s what they did. The new kernel naturally doesn’t boot on unsupported CPUs, so they are, in a sense, “blocked”. By default.

....Just bc they drop support doesn't mean one should switch to something else

Well… yeah and nah? You will be left with three choices:
1. Hardware upgrade.
2. Switching to an OS that supports your existing hardware. Note that, as mentioned, this is getting harder nowadays.
3. Running an unsupported OS, which is fine in a pinch, especially when not connected to the Net, but not advisable in a long run as a daily driver.

 

[theFOoL]

I could care less about updated Drivers bc I don't game anymore and.... I'll be using this system until I get used 2017 parts or maybe newer

 

[R-T-B]

I would strongly advise just sticking to a windows build that supports your hardware then.

 

[theFOoL]

Umm OK an 3rd gen i3 will work and a asrock MB

 

[R-T-B]

Umm OK an 3rd gen i3 will work and a asrock MB

Yeah for sure. Anything newer than I think 1st gens is in the clear for Intel which would be Nehalem.

 

[Space Lynx]

Windows 11 holding Directx 12 hostage, May 2015 article made me lulz hard just now. Do you remember? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

DirectX 12 will be able to use your integrated GPU to improve performance

A major new feature of DirectX 12 will allow different GPUs to work together—AMD and Nvidia, dedicated and integrated.

www.pcgamer.com

9 years later and still no games use this exclusive DX12 Windows 11 feature! /clap

 

[theFOoL]

Most games are 10/11 still Lol

 

[Onasi]

Pretty much everyone said immediately that explicit mGPU will be dead on arrival for games since the developers will not want to bother implementing it. SLI/CF implicit mGPU worked well (for a definition of a word) because it was all farmed out to NV and AMD/ATI driver teams. Once those killed off their tech and stopped making profiles the whole mGPU concept died for games. Good riddance.

Most games are 10/11 still Lol

No? Well, yes, in absolute terms (probably even DX9), but most modern AAA releases are DX12. That’s kind of a requirement for the whole RT thing.

 

[Space Lynx]

while we have bad memories of crossfire and SLI compatibility, Directx12 was a huge chance for it to make a come back, I am surprised it didn't really, maybe Directx13 or 14 when M$ and Nvidia collaborate to figure out how to get people to buy more gpu's? lol market is already beginning to stagnate with this generation release

 

[Onasi]

@Space Lynx
What part of “game developers will not waste time and resources on implementing and supporting mGPU” is unclear to you? You look at the technical state of modern games and you think that adding the possibility of being rendered on multiple GPUs, potentially from different vendors and on vastly different architectures, is a good idea? Again, the DX12 way of doing mGPU (although it’s not really DX12 exclusive) is absolutely great for, say, professional workloads. It’s not, at all, for gaming. If people thought poor frame delivery was an issue with SLI/CF, well, this would be a completely new levels of jank.

The new way in many ways provides WORSE compatibility than the old NV/AMD profile driven implicit mGPU, not better. Nobody who had a barest idea of how things work and actually read up on DX12 expected mGPU in games to come roaring back.

 

[Space Lynx]

@Space Lynx
What part of “game developers will not waste time and resources on implementing and supporting mGPU” is unclear to you? You look at the technical state of modern games and you think that adding the possibility of being rendered on multiple GPUs, potentially from different vendors and on vastly different architectures, is a good idea? Again, the DX12 way of doing mGPU (although it’s not really DX12 exclusive) is absolutely great for, say, professional workloads. It’s not, at all, for gaming. If people thought poor frame delivery was an issue with SLI/CF, well, this would be a completely new levels of jank.

The new way in many ways provides WORSE compatibility than the old NV/AMD profile driven implicit mGPU, not better. Nobody who had a barest idea of how things work and actually read up on DX12 expected mGPU in games to come roaring back.

DX12 was supposed to make that easier I thought, at least that is how it was presented in 2015/2016. So, it's just a failed M$ thingy imo

 

[Onasi]

@Space Lynx
No. It wasn’t. Anything that requires developers doing more themselves in-engine is by definition not “easier” for them. Hell, they had to be dragged kicking and screaming into using low-level APIs at all. And they were lazy there too (relying on UE4 and its horrendous defaults for DX12, as an example). I don’t think you appreciate just how BROKEN DX10/11 era games often were and how NV and AMD driver teams essentially had to wrangle them into being not only working, but often even just compliant with MS DX guidelines.

 

[Klemc]

Two GPU, two CPU, one player, one game, bad ideas