Windows 7 will be faster than Windows Vista and XP

[Mussels]

see images - TPU capture.


works for me in cat 9.7, about to test in 9.8

what version of MPC are you using? i'm using the latest beta from the CCCP pack

started up a HD movie, as you can see - DXVA is showing in the bottom corner

 

[Wile E]

I'm not using MPC. Already had it working in that. I'm trying to get it running in Media Player, and therefore every other media player.

 

[Mussels]

I'm not using MPC. I'm trying to get it running in Media Player, and therefore every other media player.

ohhh, well you're likely screwed

you need a REAL media player

 

[RadeonProVega]

I think you're probably the only person here that thinks that. Might be related to using PCI cards tho. I know 7 doesn't like AGP, so it serve to reason it probably like a more antiquate interface even less.

Short version = buy a PCIe card and compare again.

Well yea i will see soon enough.

 

[Wile E]

ohhh, well you're likely screwed

you need a REAL media player

lol. For viewing on my computer, I use Zoom or MPC. Both work fine. But I need a 10ft interface for the HDTV, so I need it to work in WMC and WMP, unless you can suggest a good WMC alternative that works with media center remotes and uses dshow.

 

[Mussels]

lol. For viewing on my computer, I use Zoom or MPC. Both work fine. But I need a 10ft interface for the HDTV, so I need it to work in WMC and WMP, unless you can suggest a good WMC alternative that works with media center remotes and uses dshow.

easy peezy, MPC-HC has global media key support (not always on by default)

for media remote, just use the software intelliremote - it has default profiles for MPC and VLC

 

[Wile E]

easy peezy, MPC-HC has global media key support (not always on by default)

for media remote, just use the software intelliremote - it has default profiles for MPC and VLC

But by 10ft interface, I mean I also need Library integration. You know, like WMC where you can use the remote to easily browse your library.

 

[Mussels]

But by 10ft interface, I mean I also need Library integration. You know, like WMC where you can use the remote to easily browse your library.

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2049678


and now thats out of the way

Unfortunately i dont know. in 7 if you use WMP or MC, it should use hardware acceleration - however they dont support the MKV format which means no accel for you with those files.

so you have a choice between hardware acceleration, or a 'more usable' interface.

 

[mtosev]

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/windows_7_gaming/
Benchmarks

 

[SonDa5]

http://firingsquad.com/hardware/windows_7_gaming/
Benchmarks

I've had the W7 RC 64bit Ultimate for about a week now. I upgraded from XP 32bit.

The first few days I experienced stability problems with my system's XP OC settings. I had to start over with tweaking to maximize my systems performance. After 1 week I am back to where I was with XP for system stability.


So I now know for myself that W7 is just as fast as XP but it doesn stuff better. It looks way better.

I think the ATI drivers still need some work though but it is going well so far.

 

[Mussels]

I think the ATI drivers still need some work though but it is going well so far.

ATI drivers definately need some work - but i'll cut them slack since the OS hasnt officially launched yet and *most* things work.

 

[Zubasa]

I think you're probably the only person here that thinks that. Might be related to using PCI cards tho. I know 7 doesn't like AGP, so it serve to reason it probably like a more antiquate interface even less.

Short version = buy a PCIe card and compare again.

Nope, I actually did a fresh install on both of them (dual boot) and Win 7 do indeed use slightly more resource than Vista, but Win 7 do indeed feel snapier.
When I mean slightly, its like 7 uses ~100MB more ram.
BTW, its Win 7 Ultimate RTM (Build 7600) vs Vista Ultimate SP2, and sure Win 7 is the better OS but not by much.
Win 7 (Windows 6.1) vs Vista (Windows 6.0) is basically XP (5.1) vs 2000 (5.0).

 

[Zubasa]

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2049678


and now thats out of the way

Unfortunately i dont know. in 7 if you use WMP or MC, it should use hardware acceleration - however they dont support the MKV format which means no accel for you with those files.

so you have a choice between hardware acceleration, or a 'more usable' interface.

Make sure it is MPC-HC that is used.
About MKV, WMP acutally will play some of the MKV files, as long as it is coded in H.264 or VC-1.
The thing about MKV is that it is a very versatile container format, whats inside matters.

 

[Mussels]

Make sure it is MPC-HC that is used.
About MKV, WMP acutally will play some of the MKV files, as long as it is coded in H.264 or VC-1.
The thing about MKV is that it is a very versatile container format, whats inside matters.

it cant play them without an external splitter installed such as haali - and when you do, it uses external codecs such as FFDSHOW instead of MS's default one (thus disabling hardware acceleration)

 

[Zubasa]

it cant play them without an external splitter installed such as haali - and when you do, it uses external codecs such as FFDSHOW instead of MS's default one (thus disabling hardware acceleration)

Actually Nope
Supernatural Event?
Its an MKV file playing and UVD is going

 

[Mussels]

Actually Nope
Supernatural Event?
Its an MKV file playing and UVD is going
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y243/chimeradragon/UVDatwork.png

well hello - what drivers are you on? i last tested with 9.6.

What codec packs do you have installed, if any?
I did notice cat 9.8 installed some MPEG codec with it, actually.

 

[Zubasa]

well hello - what drivers are you on? i last tested with 9.6.

What codec packs do you have installed, if any?
I did notice cat 9.8 installed some MPEG codec with it, actually.

The point is, even with an external spliter, you can still get DXVA.
Yes it is 9.8, and I did it with 9.7 not sure about 9.6 that shit gave me flickering problems.

 

[Mussels]

The point is, even with an external spliter, you can still get DXVA.
Yes it is 9.8, and I did it with 9.7 not sure about 9.6 that shit gave me flickering problems.

still, list what codecs and splitters you are using. you may have found a combination that works, but it sure didnt by default

 

[Zubasa]

still, list what codecs and splitters you are using. you may have found a combination that works, but it sure didnt by default

K-lite it is.

 

[Mussels]

K-lite it is.

well, no wonder i never found that combination. i'll never use (or let anyone i know) use that codec pack due to the god almighty amount of problems it caused me in the XP/early vista days,

 

[Kenshai]

well, no wonder i never found that combination. i'll never use (or let anyone i know) use that codec pack due to the god almighty amount of problems it caused me in the XP/early vista days,

Good to know that I wasn't the only one with issues with K-lite.

 

[Zubasa]

well, no wonder i never found that combination. i'll never use (or let anyone i know) use that codec pack due to the god almighty amount of problems it caused me in the XP/early vista days,

Interesting enough, I can't actually find the spliter that is running

 

[Mussels]

oh and your screenshots in chinese so i cant read much of it, but its showing 7% GPU activity on a 4850. I get this:

playing a 480P avi file with DivX encoding.

i'm not sure your screenshot proves anything - i get GPU usage from an Xvid file with no acceleration, so what does yours prove?


some more useful screenshots:
Paused, 0%

playing, 2% (not as much as the other shot, but its in a smaller sized window for the screenshot)

MPC-HC cleary shows "DXVA" down the bottom when its working, and it isnt for this file - yet i'm still getting GPU activity which proves your 'evidence' inconclusive.

if you can get a high bitrate file going and it shows me something like 30% GPU usage, i'll beleive that - but <20% doesnt prove anything.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=103158

thread is here, but empty for now. its going to take some time to find suitable files and test methods, and then screenshot them all.

 

[Zubasa]

That is indeed very interesting, because I checked with GPU-Z also to make sure it isn't Catalyst going coo coo again.
I don't actually see a GPU load when the video is stop, can it be anything running in the background?

 

[Mussels]

That is indeed very interesting, because I checked with GPU-Z also to make sure it isn't Catalyst going coo coo again.
I don't actually see a GPU load when the video is stop, can it be anything running in the background?

my point is that you get GPU activity playing files with or without hardware acceleration - the GPU *is* active playing the video, its just not hardware accelerating the playback

i'll do a comparison in a minute once i finish watching MAR with a 1080P file and DXVA on and off - i may move it to another thread and link from here.