Windows 8 Discussion.

remixedcat · Jun 15, 2012

and you guys forgot windows 2008 as well

btarunr · Jun 15, 2012

remixedcat said:
and you guys forgot windows 2008 as well

I think we're talking about client OSes here. Windows 2000 Workstation was a client OS. A good one at that. There's no client OS in the Windows 2008/R2 family, there are Windows Vista and Windows 7 based on the same kernel.

FordGT90Concept · Jun 15, 2012

remixedcat said:
nope... midori would have been completely different... not windows kernel...

Midori reeks of FUD. All information pertaining to it dates back to 2008 and all sources inside Microsoft said it was only exploratory.

remixedcat said:
and you guys forgot windows 2008 as well

That's in the Server series of operating systems and, except for Server exclusive features (like Active Directory), they match a desktop counterpart (e.g. Server 2000 = Windows 2000, Server 2003 = Windows XP Professional x64 Edition, Server 2008 = Windows Vista, Server 2008 R2 = Windows 7).

AphexDreamer · Jun 15, 2012

naoan said:
I'm tired of the same bullshit excuse. There are A LOT of valid argument against Windows 8, if you think they're just afraid of change then try to debunk those first.

I'm not going to convince or force someone to like something new or like a change. You don't have to use Win 8 if you don't want.

But don't come waltzing in here claiming that your opinions are facts. Metro UI is a UI that does UI stuff like all other UI's before. To Say it is worse or better is like trying to say the color red is better than the color blue. ITS PREFERENCE.

You can use a mouse with it, you can use a keyboard with it and now you can use touch with it. They've only expanded, they didn't take anything away. You still have M&K and now you can try touch...
Oh and nothing new is easy until it is learned, which after learning can you truely decide and say hey old windows might be faster at navigating or hey Metro really does improve on fluidity.

Since look wise is all relative, performance is what counts. Which if they botched that up then I can see that being the only real valid argument.

DannibusX · Jun 15, 2012

One thing's for certain. Windows 8 may finally make Linux a viable gaming platform since Gabe Newell hates it.

justtakemymoney · Jun 16, 2012

After a few years . . . while you're installing windows it'll ask for Disk 2.

Mussels · Jun 16, 2012

justtakemymoney said:
After a few years . . . while you're installing windows it'll ask for Disk 2.

nah, never happen.

it'll be on blu ray, or it'll be a core OS with the rest as optional downloads from the web.

Kreij · Jun 16, 2012

TheMailMan78 said:
However I will say Windows needs to go sandbox and dump that stupid ass registry already.

And replace it with what?

Aquinus · Jun 16, 2012

btarunr said:
I think we're talking about client OSes here. Windows 2000 Workstation was a client OS. A good one at that. There's no client OS in the Windows 2008/R2 family, there are Windows Vista and Windows 7 based on the same kernel.

Microsoft has been using the same kernel since Windows NT, they've just been changing it and improving it. A lot of things that you will read in a NT book will be true for 2000, XP, Vista, and Windows 7.

remixedcat · Jun 16, 2012

Kreij said:
And replace it with what?

sql databases

RoutedScripter · Jun 17, 2012

Ravenas said:
Wow Microsoft has totally missed the ship with Windows 8...

It is so incrediably hard to use. Even if you were to get used to the hotkeys, it takes eternity to find anything...

Lot's of other horrids... The app system is totally stupid.

I hate it. The reviews were right.

I could go on and on... Just don't install it.

Whoever dreamed up this piece of work should be fired.

This is excatly what i was predicting a loooong time ago

It's another vista. I don't think it'll be well received, except casual and mainstream. Sales will be better than vista since it will probably not have any huge driver or compatability issues. Maybe even worse than that. Even if some stuff might be more advanced, im not going to waste weeks trying to get every tweak, setting, config and optimization plus finding all the stupid bugs and workarounds for existing features. It's not worth my time for the benefit as from gaming and developing standpoint, this system is for casuals who buy new laptops and mobile crappies.

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2455784&postcount=382

BazookaJoe said:
It's the "shit - HOT" Flip flop...

Win95(SHIT) - Win98(HOT) - WinME(SHIT) - WinXP(HOT) - Vista(SHIT) - Win7(HOT) - Win8(SHIT) - Win9(HOT)

So don't worry - like so many UTTER F#@K up OS's before it, Microsoft will soon smell the fail and release a proper OS again...

That's exactly why i predicted Win8 to be shit, it's too soon, and has nothing that prompts a whole reinstall and configuration.

RejZoR · Jun 17, 2012

And why are Win95 and Vista suppose to be shit? Please do explain that because i clearly fail to see the "shit" part of it. Win95 was a big jump from the DOS with some GUI (Win3.1) and i've also had Vista and it was perfectly good OS. Still is imo. Win7 is better but if you already have Vista it's just as good.

Kreij · Jun 17, 2012

remixedcat said:
sql databases

Thanks for the reply, remix. I though there would be more people commenting on this given how many people think the registry is crap. :/

The registry is basically an ordered collection of key/value pairs stored in a binary file.
It's multi-thread and multiple instance safe (which is hugely important), it's managed by the kernel (so registry changes occur even if your app goes south), it plays well with user profiles by segregating machine specific entries (HKLM) and users (HKCU), it creates a single area for all application to get config data (eliminating the need for thousands of INI files, which is a poor way of doing it anyway) and it comes with it's own GUI tool.

One of the biggest problems I see is that many app developers do not take the time to clean-up their registry entries when you uninstall an application. Another is that it removes some of the portability of application, but that can be worked around with a little creative coding (again something the app devs don't feeel the need to do).

There may be a better way of storing configuration parameters, but I don't see how using an SQL database would make it any better. In fact, it would make it worse, IMO.

RejZoR · Jun 17, 2012

It's nothing wrong with registry, they just had to keep it from compatibility standpoint.
I prefer to use apps that use minimal amount of registry, usually portable apps and so on. I also manage the registry manually using various cleaners and searching entries by hand and here and there defragmenting the registry.

The main problem are sloppy programs and installers who leave behind all sorts of junk. Thats realyl the main problem, not registry itself. Because even SQL databases would eventualyl get stuffed by all the garbage.

Frick · Jun 17, 2012

Oh good another thread about this. I'll make another one.

Also, when was it reviewed? It's not even released yet.

TheoneandonlyMrK · Jun 17, 2012

Frick said:
Also, when was it reviewed? It's not even released yet.

Its been taken round the blocks by many, and most havent been happy.

bpgt64 · Jun 17, 2012

theoneandonlymrk said:
Its been taken round the blocks by many, and most havent been happy.

If there basing their judgement off the early Alpha, then that's there own stupidity. I can see how some will not like the Metro UI. However I don't think it will be anywhere near as raw as Vista was...Vista had real tangible problems, like file copies being incredibly slow and all kinds of permissions based issues. The only major issue I have seen with Window's 8 is there's a new start bar that's being ironed out currently, and people don't like change.

bpgt64 · Jun 18, 2012

Ravenas said:
Doubtful. Most are migrating to Apple. I think Mac is this best operating system, however, it doesn't allow me to buy and install my own hardware as I please. We are the 1%, the 99% will be going to Apple as Microsoft continues to loose touch consumers.

Vista was a good OS imo.

lolwut?

RoutedScripter · Jun 18, 2012

RejZoR said:
And why are Win95 and Vista suppose to be shit? Please do explain that because i clearly fail to see the "shit" part of it. Win95 was a big jump from the DOS with some GUI (Win3.1) and i've also had Vista and it was perfectly good OS. Still is imo. Win7 is better but if you already have Vista it's just as good.

95 was buggy and less stable from what I heard, i didn't use it since i wasn't in the thing that soon, it was on 98 but my friends got PCs from their parents work, they could persuade the employer to give them old PCs to them for cheap instead of throwing them away so one of my friends got 3 PCs all for gaming in the house, most of the males in the class visited him weekly ...even daily ... i can't even count ,i was more than anyone else, more than 1000 times easy ... that's why i learned so much about PCs from a very very early age.

anonymous6366 · Jun 19, 2012

#wining http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en/us/default.aspx

newtekie1 · Jun 19, 2012

TheMailMan78 said:
However I will say Windows needs to go sandbox and dump that stupid ass registry already.

What is the point of ditching the registry? What would it change from the way it is today? So there are bunch of config files around to configure Windows instead of one repository? How is that better? Will it be more efficient? Nope.

And don't try to say that it will make things smoother because programs won't use it and it won't get cluttered. That is total BS. The only reason the registry gets cluttered is lazy program developers that don't clean up after themselves. That isn't going to change at all with out a registry, they'll just leave configuration files laying around everywhere.

Also, no one is forcing program developers to use the registry. Software can be installed and work perfectly fine without using the registry.

TheMailMan78 · Jun 19, 2012

Apple doesn't use a registry. Works fine.

bpgt64 · Jun 19, 2012

TheMailMan78 said:
Apple doesn't use a registry. Works fine.

Technically, Apple is a FreeBSD + a nice GUI.

naoan · Jun 19, 2012

TheMailMan78 said:
Apple doesn't use a registry. Works fine.

Windows use registry. Works fine.

TheMailMan78 · Jun 19, 2012

naoan said:
Windows use registry. Works fine.

No it doesnt.

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