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humm well with this thing installed it randomly revs up my cpu to 50%, my cpu fan started reving up so I checked task thing and found msmpeng.exe at 50% cpu usage, terminated it and defentender says it was terminated. Anyone notice this? I hate my cpu fan :D

I noted some "drag" during its update (I note what I saw that 'tuned me into what you see' above)... then, once that was done? It "mellowed-out"...

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I hate how it will suddenly start scanning when I'm in the middle of a game. Performance drops considerably and I wonder what the hell is going on. It doesn't notify you that it's scanning via a tray icon so you have to actually open the program and terminate the scan.
 

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I hate how it will suddenly start scanning when I'm in the middle of a game. Performance drops considerably and I wonder what the hell is going on. It doesn't notify you that it's scanning via a tray icon so you have to actually open the program and terminate the scan.

Hmmm, how would I fix that, by request by a user? Animated TrayIcon when active maybe @ least, & this isn't TOO hard to implement (especially w/ 3rd party toolkits that can be licensed)...

NOW, as far as how much/how hard it "hits" the system??

Check for disk activity being beyond a certain % w/ a filtering driver maybe @ filesystem, or possibly even DISK driver level...

Both are doable.

CPU activity going beyond a certain % might be another, but problem here is that some systems (like mine using a controller w/ it's own "I/O brain" on it, which it uses instead of the mobo system CPU) wouldn't do well on that account.

Filtering drivers are probably "the way", checking for Int21 (iirc, disk I/O from Assembly instructions, file control block method intercepts), or possibly Int13 BIOS services usage/monitoring, might work out for ALL things!

I.E.-> So, what's that all mean? Well, if you are encountering TOO much I/O from any other running progs hitting disk especially (CPU too possibly)?? Mellow out, delay scan... background process it later.

It's THAT, or use threads or timeslicing (multitasking I/O calls like VB DoEvents/Delphi Application.ProcessMessages)... but, imo @ least? Drivers filtering would do it better!

:)

* Just theory though on my end... & I may have the interrupts to monitor wrong period, for Win32. BUT, the ideas are there.

APK

P.S.=> Good, this is good feedback & points MS needs to address... I agree! apk
 

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'first where those screen shots you have had days :)

My days are usually PRETTY busy, but I'll have them to you shortly (tomorrow @ some point, promise):

I also had lag putting out some prebuilt .reg files that have URL references & definitions for Jimmy2004 in the System Optimization sticky thread, because they are on a disk I use for storage largely of data (74gb 10k RAPTOR 8mb buffer)...

Just formatting & getting my SamSung SpinPoint 250gb disk into place on my external USB 2.0/SATA 2.0 enclosure was a "BITCH", & then transferring data to it (130gb++ worth) was time-consuming today also!

(Heck, the Samsung Spinpoint was a good price buy for 250gb ($65 US Dollars) but, troublesome! E.G.-> In the end, I had to use mobo SATA 2.0 Silicon Image 3114 controller instead... Samsung would NOT "cut it" as either SATA1 or SATA2 on it on the external enclosure (whereas my WD Raptor 74gb I had in there prior that was full? NO PROBLEMS @ ALL))

Then, just to format it? Heh, & that was a nightmare too!

However, I dug out of it (see software section & computer management/diskmgmt.msc thread I did)

Hey, in your data?

Also, if you can??

Obtain memory consumption for its services also & trayicon stuff, etc. (so you & I have a COMPLETE output)... taskmgr.exe CAN point this out, in some cases, but SysInternals Process Explorer MAY be a better candidate for us here to 'break those out'...

:)

* Ought to be a GOOD comparison... but now, gotta run man! See ya then...

APK

P.S.=> I'd have them to you, NOW, but a lot of folks know what I'm up to & about this evening (Halloween, going as "Agent Smith"... lol, I love it!)... anyhow, look forward to this comparison of ours... I already Norton FINDS/DETECTS the most typically, let's see how it fares in the model I use memory consumption-wise vs. NOD32, your fav! apk
 

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http://www.virus.gr/english/fullxml/default.asp?id=82&mnu=82

The test was made on 15-25 August 2006, using Windows XP Professional SP1 on a P4 2800 Mhz, 512MB DDRAM.
All programs tested had the latest versions, upgrades and updates and they were tested using their full scanning capabilities e.g. heuristics, full scan etc. The default settings of each program were not used, in order for each program to achieve its maximum detection rate. Because of this, there is a possibility for the tested programs to detect a few false positives.
The 147184 virus samples were chosen using VS2000 according to Kaspersky, F-Prot, Nod32, Dr.Web, BitDefender and McAfee antivirus programs. Each virus sample was unique by virus name, meaning that AT LEAST 1 antivirus program detected it as a new virus.
ALL virus samples were unpacked and the only samples that were kept were the ones that were packed using external-dos-packers (that means not winzip, winrar, winace etc).
The virus samples had the correct file extension using a special program (Renexts) and were unique, according to checksum32 filesize.
Most of the virus samples used were not previously replicated at the time the test was made, which means that some of them, although probably only a few, may be false positives. The procedure of testing each and every virus sample is still under process.
The programs MKS_VIR , PER and IPArmor were not tested because there was no english demo version available.
The programs WinAntivirus , Anti-Hacker Expert , Command , Extendia AVK , GDATA AVK , BOClean , VET and Freedom were not tested because there was no demo version available.
Thourough mode was not used in VBA32 due to extremely slow scan process.
Advanced heuristics were not used in Tauscan due to extremely slow scan process.
VirusBuster uses the exact same engine as Vexira.
TheShield uses the exact same engine as VirobotExpert.
Avira uses the exact same engine as AntiVir.
Fire uses the exact same engine as Solo.
MKS_VIR uses the exact same engine as ArcaVir.
BullGuard uses the exact same engine as BitDefender free edition.
The program InVircible did not include a "typical" scanner-function and could not be tested.
The program V-Catch checks only mail accounts and could not be tested.
The program PC Tools kept crashing while testing the samples.
DOS-Based scanners were not tested.

The following file types were used.

SH, ELF, COM, EXE, PL, BAT, PRC, DOC, XLS, BIN, MDB, IMG, PPT, VBS, MSG, VBA, OLE, HTM, INI, SMM, TD0, REG, CLASS,

HTA, JS, VI_, URL, PHP, WMF, HLP, XML, SCR, PIF, SHS, WBT, CSC, MAC, DAT, CLS, STI, INF, HQX, XMI, SIT.


The virus samples were divided into these categories, according to the type of the virus :
File = BeOS, FreeBSD, Linux, Mac, Palm, OS2, Unix, BinaryImage, BAS viruses, MenuetOS.
MS-DOS = MS-DOS viruses.
Windows = Win.*.* viruses.
Macro = Macro, Multi and Formula viruses.
Malware = Adware, DoS, Constructors, Exploit, Flooders, Nukers, Sniffers, SpamTools, Spoofers, Virus Construction Tools, Droppers, PolyEngines.
Script = ABAP, BAT, Corel, HTML, Java, Scripts, MSH, VBS, WBS, Worms, PHP, Perl, Ruby viruses.
Trojans-Backdoors = Trojan and Backdoor viruses.

Rank

1. Kaspersky version 6.0.0.303 - 99.62%

2. Active Virus Shield by AOL version 6.0.0.299 - 99.62%

3. F-Secure 2006 version 6.12.90 - 96.86%

4. BitDefender Professional version 9 - 96.63%

5. CyberScrub version 1.0 - 95.98%

6. eScan version 8.0.671.1 - 95.82%

7. BitDefender freeware version 8.0.202 - 95.57%

8. BullGuard version 6.1 - 95.57%

9. AntiVir Premium version 7.01.01.02 - 95.45%

10. Nod32 version 2.51.30 - 95.14%

11. AntiVir Classic version 7.01.01.02 - 94.26%

12. ViruScape 2006 version 1.02.0935.0137 - 93.87%

13. McAfee version 10.0.27 - 93.03%

14. McAfee Enterprise version 8.0.0 - 91.76%

15. F-Prot version 6.0.4.3 beta - 87.88%

16. Avast Professional version 4.7.871 - 87.46%

17. Avast freeware version 4.7.871 - 87.46%

18. Dr. Web version 4.33.2 - 86.03%

19. Norman version 5.90.23 - 85.65%

20. F-Prot version 3.16f - 85.14%

21. ArcaVir 2006 - 83.44%

22. Norton Professional 2006 - 83.18%

23. AVG Professional version 7.1.405 - 82.82%

24. AVG freeware version 7.1.405 - 82.82%

25. Panda 2007 version 2.00.01 - 82.23%

26. Virus Chaser version 5.0a - 81.47%

27. PC-Cillin 2006 version 14.10.1051 - 80.90%

28. VBA32 version 3.11.0 - 79.12%

29. ViRobot Expert version 4.0 - 76.22%

30. UNA version 1.83 - 75.44%

31. Rising AV version 18.41.30 - 73.60%

32. Sophos Sweep version 6.0.2 - 69.48%

33. Ikarus version 5.19 - 63.22%

34. Antiy Ghostbusters version 5.1.3 - 61.55%

35. Digital Patrol version 5.00.12 - 54.29%

36. Vexira 2006 version 5.002.45 - 52.66%

37. V3Pro 2004 version 6.1.1.2.640 - 52.38%

38. Ewido Premium version 4.0.0.172 - 51.27%

39. Ewido freeware version 4.0.0.172 - 51.27%

40. ClamWin version 0.88.4 - 51.23%

41. E-Trust version 7.2.0.0 - 50.36%

42. ZoneAlarm with VET Antivirus version 6.5.722.000 - 44.65%

43. A Squared Anti-Malware version 2.0 - 43.28%

44. A Squared Free version 2.0 - 43.28%

45. Zondex Guard version 5.4.2 - 41.73%

46. Comodo version 1.0.0.4 - 41.02%

47. Solo 4.0 version 3.1.0 - 40.83%

48. Protector Plus version 7.2.H03 - 37.04%

49. Quick Heal version 8.00 - 33.66%

50. PC Door Guard version 4.2.0.35- 24.13%

51. AntiTrojan Shield version 2.1.0.14 - 24.11%

52. VirIT version 6.1.9 - 21.39%

53. Trojan Hunter version 4.2.924 - 13.44%

54. Trojan Remover version 6.5.1 - 8.00%

55. Tauscan version 1.70.1414 - 7.70%

56. The Cleaner version 4.2.4319 - 6.03%

57. Hacker Eliminator version 1.2 - 1.70%

58. Abacre version 1.4 - 0.00%

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Well, then I will have to "counter" your tests, from my bookmarks... tit for tat.

(No problem either... I also have quite a few tests where Norton was found to kick butt on all else...)

However, it HAS to wait until tomorrow... lol! Why?

:)

* Because "It's going to be a pleasure watching you DIE... Mr. Anderson!"

APK

P.S.=> Consider it a challenge! Anyhow, "getting into character" w/ that last statement, because I am on my way out to a costume ball for Halloween as "Agent Smith"... but, we'll catch up w/ ya manan... apk
 

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u should have gone as the orical :p
 

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u should have gone as the orical :p

You're right, because here comes the results, as I stated it, as far as whoever it was that said Trend is the superior AntiVirus solution over time...

Chew on this, as far as throwing reviews of AntiVirus Products superiority in tests, 2004-2006:

(Norton beats Trend #1 - 02/2004)

&

(Norton beats Trend #2 - 05/2004)

&

(Norton beats Trend #3 - 08/2004)

&

(Norton beats Trend #4 - 11/2004)

&

(Norton beats Trend #5 - 02/2005)

&

(Norton beats Trend #6 - 08/2005)

ALL HERE, SEE THE ONLINE RESULTS CHARTS, or D/L the PDF's if you like:

http://www.av-comparatives.org/

* After those, @ that website, TREND must have elected not to participate in those tests anymore, or something... the rest of their charts no longer have Trend.

That's 6 TIMES that Norton was shown stronger than Trend!

There was also a thread here about TREND Micro's PC-Cillin product, read about it here, & some problems with it:

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=17592

The very first poster extolls them.

:)

* Need others? I have more, & more than just from that site... "tit-4-tat!"...

NOD32 loses to Norton Antivirus 09/10/2005:

http://overclockers.com/articles1260/

APK

P.S.=> There is an entire history of Trend AntiVirus products being weaker than NAV stuff... NOD32 losing in the last test as well!

BUT, to tell you the truth?

Nowadays, if you read this thread, end-to-end??

It'd be actually fairly simple to "rig" test results in your favor though, IF you think like 'business people' think @ least (read earlier in this thread as to my theories on that account)... apk
 
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