• We've upgraded our forums. Please post any issues/requests in this thread.

Windows firewall vs Others

Joined
Jul 20, 2009
Messages
284 (0.09/day)
Likes
79
Location
Wales, Uk
Processor AMD PHENOM 9950BE x4 (140W)
Motherboard ASUS CROSSHAIR II (BIOS 2003)
Cooling ZALMAN 9700L
Memory 4GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR 1066 (2x2GB)
Video Card(s) XFX 9600GT XXX (740/1000)
Storage WD250x2 RAID0/Maxtor 500GB STORAGE
Display(s) SAMSUNG 23"/ACER 20"
Case COOLMASTER 690 CUSTOM
Audio Device(s) SUPREME FX II
Power Supply OCZ 700W
Software WINDOWS 7 64
#1
I have been looking around the net and people seem to find windows firewall to be effective enough, though myself i find it over complicated and badly thought out, but does it do enough?

I have used Kaspersky, Comodo and currently using Outpost firewall but i notice that with the on access scanners and active kernel protection etc... it tends to slow my system down, not alot but enough to notice program lag and the boot up time taking much longer than normal.

So my question is and i would like a debate of a sorts, is windows firewall effective to stop most threats, or would a proven 3rd party firewall be more efficent?

~meow
 
Joined
Nov 4, 2005
Messages
9,947 (2.25/day)
Likes
2,309
System Name MoFo 2
Processor AMD PhenomII 1100T @ 4.2Ghz
Motherboard Asus Crosshair IV
Cooling Swiftec 655 pump, Apogee GT,, MCR360mm Rad, 1/2 loop.
Memory 8GB DDR3-2133 @ 1900 8.9.9.24 1T
Video Card(s) HD7970 1250/1750
Storage Agility 3 SSD 6TB RAID 0 on RAID Card
Display(s) 46" 1080P Toshiba LCD
Case Rosewill R6A34-BK modded (thanks to MKmods)
Audio Device(s) ATI HDMI
Power Supply 750W PC Power & Cooling modded (thanks to MKmods)
Software A lot.
Benchmark Scores Its fast. Enough.
#2
The newer firewall in Win 7 and the firewall in Vista couple with a decent free anti-virus and UAC is enough to stop almost anything.
 

Mussels

Moderprator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 6, 2004
Messages
46,111 (9.57/day)
Likes
13,542
Location
Australalalalalaia.
System Name Daddy Long Legs
Processor Ryzen R7 1700, 3.9GHz 1.375v
Motherboard MSI X370 Gaming PRO carbon
Cooling Fractal Celsius S24 (Silent fans, meh pump)
Memory 16GB 2133 generic @ 2800
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X (BIOS modded to Gaming Z - faster and solved black screen bugs!)
Storage 1TB Intel SSD Pro 6000p (60TB USB3 storage)
Display(s) Samsung 4K 40" HDTV (UA40KU6000WXXY) / 27" Qnix 2K 110Hz
Case Fractal Design R5. So much room, so quiet...
Audio Device(s) Pioneer VSX-519V + Yamaha YHT-270 / sennheiser HD595/518 + bob marley zion's
Power Supply Corsair HX 750i (Platinum, fan off til 300W)
Mouse Logitech G403 + KKmoon desk-sized mousepad
Keyboard Corsair K65 Rapidfire
Software Windows 10 pro x64 (all systems)
Benchmark Scores Laptops: i7-4510U + 840M 2GB (touchscreen) 275GB SSD + 16GB i7-2630QM + GT 540M + 8GB
#3
firewalls dont really do much these days. As long as you have a router and dont use DMZ, you're immune to port probing attacks, and therefore only need an anti virus.
 

AsRock

TPU addict
Joined
Jun 23, 2007
Messages
15,313 (4.00/day)
Likes
4,722
Location
US
Processor 2500k \ 3770k
Motherboard ASRock Z68 \ Z77
Memory Samsung low profile 1600
Video Card(s) XFX 6770 \ XFX R9 290X
Storage Intel 80Gb (SATA2) WD 250Gb \ Team SSD+Samsung Evo 250Gb+500Gb+ 2xCorsair Force+WD250GbHDD
Display(s) Samsung 1080P \ Toshiba HDTV 1080P
Case HTPC400 \ Thermaltake Armor case ( original ), With Zalman fan controller ( wattage usage ).
Audio Device(s) Yamaha RX-V475 \ Marantz SR5008 Tannoy Mercury MKII Paradigm 5SE + Tannoy Mercury F4
Power Supply PC&Power 750w \ Seasonic 750w MKII
Mouse MS intelimouse \ Logitech G700s + Steelseries Sensei wireless
Keyboard Logitech K120 \ ROCCAT MK Pro ( modded amber leds )
Benchmark Scores Meh benchmarks.
#4
I have been looking around the net and people seem to find windows firewall to be effective enough, though myself i find it over complicated and badly thought out, but does it do enough?

I have used Kaspersky, Comodo and currently using Outpost firewall but i notice that with the on access scanners and active kernel protection etc... it tends to slow my system down, not alot but enough to notice program lag and the boot up time taking much longer than normal.

So my question is and i would like a debate of a sorts, is windows firewall effective to stop most threats, or would a proven 3rd party firewall be more efficent?

~meow
Kinda depends on what you want to to do or want to have to do with a firewall.



Firewalls like Outpost take hell load of time to setup depending on what your wanting to do with it. Like without post you have shit load of control over a application as you could allow it to do one thing but not another. And theirs all the other controls to it like blocking add or flash referrers cookies and a load of other to boot.

The Vista\Win7 of Outpost sucks as well as the version 4.0 was much much better also better lay out.

Only other one i been thinking of trying out for Vista is Tiny

There is also Trend Micro Internet Security 2009 might be worth checking out too.

Every time i try a new one i end up coming back to Outpost as it offers so much over the others and it's great in getting rid of ads in pages and stuff.

Maybe turn off kernel protection :p.. Funny that i have just formated win7 and installed Vista i'll give it another check and see what they done to it now. As i cannot remember any slow downs like your saying.. Maybe a defrag might help just a thought.

I liked one called TINY Firewall but seems like it went down only reason i picked that over outpost was that outpost you could tweak it easier over time and as you learn how to use it..
 

newtekie1

Semi-Retired Folder
Joined
Nov 22, 2005
Messages
24,277 (5.51/day)
Likes
10,367
Location
Indiana, USA
Processor Intel Core i7 4790K@4.6GHz
Motherboard AsRock Z97 Extreme6
Cooling Corsair H100i
Memory 32GB Corsair DDR3-1866 9-10-9-27
Video Card(s) ASUS GTX960 STRIX @ 1500/1900
Storage 480GB Crucial MX200 + 2TB Seagate Solid State Hybrid Drive with 128GB OCZ Synapse SSD Cache
Display(s) QNIX QX2710 1440p@120Hz
Case Corsair 650D Black
Audio Device(s) Onboard is good enough for me
Power Supply Corsair HX850
Software Windows 10 Pro x64
#5
firewalls dont really do much these days. As long as you have a router and dont use DMZ, you're immune to port probing attacks, and therefore only need an anti virus.
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\THIS/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
 
Joined
Aug 10, 2007
Messages
4,059 (1.07/day)
Likes
1,122
Location
Geneva, FL, USA
Processor Intel i5-6600
Motherboard ASRock H170M-ITX
Cooling Cooler Master Geminii S524
Memory G.Skill DDR4-2133 16GB (8GB x 2)
Video Card(s) Gigabyte R9-380X 4GB
Storage Samsung 950 EVO 250GB (mSATA)
Display(s) LG 29UM69G-B 2560x1080 IPS
Case Lian Li PC-Q25
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC892
Power Supply Seasonic SS-460FL2
Mouse Logitech G700s
Keyboard Logitech G110
Software Windows 10 Pro
#6
Just to be sure...

Meow, are you a student (college network) or living in housing which handles and provides your internet access?
 
Joined
Jul 20, 2009
Messages
284 (0.09/day)
Likes
79
Location
Wales, Uk
Processor AMD PHENOM 9950BE x4 (140W)
Motherboard ASUS CROSSHAIR II (BIOS 2003)
Cooling ZALMAN 9700L
Memory 4GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR 1066 (2x2GB)
Video Card(s) XFX 9600GT XXX (740/1000)
Storage WD250x2 RAID0/Maxtor 500GB STORAGE
Display(s) SAMSUNG 23"/ACER 20"
Case COOLMASTER 690 CUSTOM
Audio Device(s) SUPREME FX II
Power Supply OCZ 700W
Software WINDOWS 7 64
#7
I am a student, but i have my own place and private connection, What AuRock said, i find outpost is a pain in the arse to set up, and their 6.7 beta just about runs on Win7 RC7100 few problems here and there but they did issue the program as a beta version. But it has so much to offer over most firewalls.

http://www.matousec.com/projects/proactive-security-challenge/results.php

I've always trusted this site in giving me the best solution, its worth a look i guess, some of you might be supprised how poorly some products are.

~meow
 

Mussels

Moderprator
Staff member
Joined
Oct 6, 2004
Messages
46,111 (9.57/day)
Likes
13,542
Location
Australalalalalaia.
System Name Daddy Long Legs
Processor Ryzen R7 1700, 3.9GHz 1.375v
Motherboard MSI X370 Gaming PRO carbon
Cooling Fractal Celsius S24 (Silent fans, meh pump)
Memory 16GB 2133 generic @ 2800
Video Card(s) MSI GTX 1080 Gaming X (BIOS modded to Gaming Z - faster and solved black screen bugs!)
Storage 1TB Intel SSD Pro 6000p (60TB USB3 storage)
Display(s) Samsung 4K 40" HDTV (UA40KU6000WXXY) / 27" Qnix 2K 110Hz
Case Fractal Design R5. So much room, so quiet...
Audio Device(s) Pioneer VSX-519V + Yamaha YHT-270 / sennheiser HD595/518 + bob marley zion's
Power Supply Corsair HX 750i (Platinum, fan off til 300W)
Mouse Logitech G403 + KKmoon desk-sized mousepad
Keyboard Corsair K65 Rapidfire
Software Windows 10 pro x64 (all systems)
Benchmark Scores Laptops: i7-4510U + 840M 2GB (touchscreen) 275GB SSD + 16GB i7-2630QM + GT 540M + 8GB
#8
I am a student, but i have my own place and private connection, What AuRock said, i find outpost is a pain in the arse to set up, and their 6.7 beta just about runs on Win7 RC7100 few problems here and there but they did issue the program as a beta version. But it has so much to offer over most firewalls.

http://www.matousec.com/projects/proactive-security-challenge/results.php

I've always trusted this site in giving me the best solution, its worth a look i guess, some of you might be supprised how poorly some products are.

~meow
if you trust that sites result so much, get kaspersky. it got second best, works fine in vista and 7 - and can be had for pennies on ebay.
 

Stearic

New Member
Joined
Sep 20, 2007
Messages
104 (0.03/day)
Likes
7
#9
At home, I just use the XP built-in firewall, with a router. So far I've not had any problems.

A few years ago, I tried Kerio, ZoneAlarm, Comodo etc, but they all had the problem of being a bit too intrusive/resource-hungry...some app or the other would always have a problem with these :/