Windows Vista: The Facts

[zatblast]

ga freakin wind wish it would stop... oh in about the same boat with that -35 stuff, stupid vista... wait nvm stupid pirates stop burning movies to dvds its heating the world faster than vista dvd creation does >.< (just kinda rambling at this point)

anyways the next os is it still being based off windows or were they going to go ahead and redo everything?(redoing everything was a supposed rumor a while back i think...)

 

[Triprift]

Read my post from earlier i said a few things that were gonna be different ....

 

[asb2106]

The end of the conversation should very well be.

UNLESS you have used both OS's thoroughly you really cannot argue it because than you just become a fan boy.

i use both i am a pc tech and also a mac tech at a computer store.

so please just leave it alone its stupid to argue with fanboys of both operating systems each system has its up's and each has its downs

here are a few

Windows

+gaming library is huge
+can be tweaked with setting clocks

-is way more prone to virus's than a mac
-crashes more frequently than macs (i mean the blue screen)
-believe it or not is not as user friendly as mac os x (and by user friendly i mean for the common computer user that doesn't understand more than internet, to install things on mac is fairly easy compared to a pc usually its a click drag drop operation)


OS X

+utilizes the intel components alot better than pc's (this is proven through many benchmarks and no i dont mean gaming)
+Hardly ever crashes and i don't even think the mac os has a "blue screen"
+not prone to virus's like a windows based pc

-gaming library is weak.
-isn't as much mac compatible hardware as pc
-isn't much to do with what comes out of the box concidering it is ready out of the box and there isn't much you can do to the operating system well, not nearly as much as windows.


so either way there is no clear winner it all depends on what we are talking about.

if we are talking gaming than fine pc takes the win

if we are talking encoding video editing photo editing etc than obviously the pc is the loser.


im going to run some benchmarks on windows vista, and mac os x the SAME games and the SAME bench mark on my black macbook, i have vista installed with bootcamp.

i'll post my findings when its done to clear up the argument

you say your a tech and youve never seen OSX lock up?
And its been well documented that OSX has many more flaws than Vista, and its much more vulnerable to attack. Vista is airtight and the only thing that can get through is what you allow, so if you disable UAC you have to accept that risk.

And no, benchies are much slower on Mac OS, I run a SETI benchmark and I ran the bios identitically between the 2 (OSX Leopard, and Vista) With proper drivers for both, and Vista was 8% faster(I wish I had those screenies)

The one thing I do agree with is that OSX has a much nicer install process, its very easy!
Video encoding goes much faster on Vista for me, that all depends on the software too, you cannot compare because Mac uses its own software, it cannot be compared.

AND THERE IS A CLEAR WINNER, ITS CALLED 97% of COMPUTER USERS
and they do have a choice

 

[Mussels]

so anyone interested in the MS hotfixes? they fixed a lot of issues for me, including my webcam not working with 4GB ram in vista (Fuzzy green images overlapping the picture)

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

IT's obviously Microsoft's fault for not making every stinking piece of software ever written for windows backward compaitable to Windows 1.0

And they would do that why? Why not just leave PC's in the DOS era? Why support ancient hardware/software?

 

[asb2106]

The wind chill factor here at the moment is about -35F. I am thinking of sueing MS as it must be due to global warming caused by the production of Vista DVDs.

I like Vista, but I am also looking forward to MS's next OS. Not sure when that will be or what it will contain, but tech is my thing and I love playing with it. If anyone comes up with an OS that is so easy and painless that people no longer need IT departments, I am out of a job.

New OS. See the Pain, Feel the Pain, Enjoy the Pain, be able to put dinner on the table.

LOVE IT, Im in the same business(personal computer biz, and Tech support for about 100 employees)

 

[zatblast]

ok *notes kicking and screaming* oh guess thats not what you mean musta been this stuff..
trip, question what would a strippedback kernal mean? sorry not sure on that myself...
also does windows not already support touch screens?

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

ga freakin wind wish it would stop... oh in about the same boat with that -35 stuff, stupid vista... wait nvm stupid pirates stop burning movies to dvds its heating the world faster than vista dvd creation does >.< (just kinda rambling at this point)

anyways the next os is it still being based off windows or were they going to go ahead and redo everything?(redoing everything was a supposed rumor a while back i think...)

It still going to be a redo of everything. A stripped down windows kernel that is going to be 25MB insize using MinWin or WinMIn. Whatever the hell its called. Its going to have better support for older hardware though I dont know exactly how old. It supposed to have a new file system (WinFS) along with a new GUI and whatnot.

 

[asb2106]

so anyone interested in the MS hotfixes? they fixed a lot of issues for me, including my webcam not working with 4GB ram in vista (Fuzzy green images overlapping the picture)

i'd like to try them, I have heard rapid share you can post there for free, and it stays up until people stop downloading it

 

[Kursah]

so anyone interested in the MS hotfixes? they fixed a lot of issues for me, including my webcam not working with 4GB ram in vista (Fuzzy green images overlapping the picture)

hotfixes have been a saving grace for both XP and Vista imo. And I also think the direction this thread should take...we can all say the same things in 1,000 different ways, but in the end, it comes down to this:

Try it, like it or hate it...move on, or fix/tweak it.

 

[Mussels]

ok *notes kicking and screaming* oh guess thats not what you mean musta been this stuff..
trip, question what would a strippedback kernal mean? sorry not sure on that myself...
also does windows not already support touch screens?

stripped kernel means the OS is simpler. Less of windows NEEDS to run at one time - in other words, they're trying to match the efficiency of linux.

Say i run a 3D game - i dont really need printer services, file sharing, USB plug and play and floppy drive support. Why cant they ask a program what it needs to run and simply disable the rest (page them to the hard drive, for example)

This makes the system run leaner, and potentially faster for the really heavy apps.

 

[asb2106]

hotfixes have been a saving grace for both XP and Vista imo. And I also think the direction this thread should take...we can all say the same things in 1,000 different ways, but in the end, it comes down to this:

Try it, like it or hate it...move on, or fix/tweak it.

well MS has to do this, with all the changes going on it just shows me that they are on top of the game, and they care about there customers.

I respect MS because they have to satisfy millions of people and it seems that they continue to do so, not to many people even bother trying other options

 

[asb2106]

stripped kernel means the OS is simpler. Less of windows NEEDS to run at one time - in other words, they're trying to match the efficiency of linux.

Say i run a 3D game - i dont really need printer services, file sharing, USB plug and play and floppy drive support. Why cant they ask a program what it needs to run and simply disable the rest (page them to the hard drive, for example)

This makes the system run leaner, and potentially faster for the really heavy apps.

Vista works fast because it keeps those things loaded, it keeps your stuff page filed for quick access, I enjoy that, and with good hardware theres no need to worry of lags, I never experience any

 

[Triprift]

stripped kernel means the OS is simpler. Less of windows NEEDS to run at one time - in other words, they're trying to match the efficiency of linux.

Say i run a 3D game - i dont really need printer services, file sharing, USB plug and play and floppy drive support. Why cant they ask a program what it needs to run and simply disable the rest (page them to the hard drive, for example)

This makes the system run leaner, and potentially faster for the really heavy apps.

thanks mussels i would of answered but need to go to work like now

 

[asb2106]

thanks mussels i would of answered but need to go to work like now

what time is it over there now?? You guys at work now??

 

[zatblast]

stripped kernel means the OS is simpler. Less of windows NEEDS to run at one time - in other words, they're trying to match the efficiency of linux.

Say i run a 3D game - i dont really need printer services, file sharing, USB plug and play and floppy drive support. Why cant they ask a program what it needs to run and simply disable the rest (page them to the hard drive, for example)

This makes the system run leaner, and potentially faster for the really heavy apps.

thats something that would be nice, and kinda neat...however have to ask this next question
why are they getting around to doing it just now? current technologies as in the ones that are currently gearing up would just about make it useless in my current oppinion... as in new hdd options are developing (solid state) and well generally things are just getting faster... and so those more or less minor things in the bg will matter less and less as to if they are running or not... again oppinionated here but yea...

 

[zatblast]

double click clock in bottom right, go to time zones...find somewhere in australia and theres a time for a rough estimate think its +10 or so from US central

 

[asb2106]

double click clock in bottom right, go to time zones...find somewhere in australia and theres a time for a rough estimate think its +10 or so from US central

wow, probably took longer to type that than the time, thanks

 

[Cold Storm]

I have vista ultimate x86, and by far this is the best os i've used... I have everything hooked up to everywhere... xbox loves it, tv loves it, modem loves it, and so does me! I have the whole media center hooked up. download movies, tv shows, and stream stuff hasn't been a problem.
and as in speed, i don't even see the whole windows signs... i did before ocing it... now i just see the start screen then desktop... all loads in less then a min.
Everyone has their own opinions. And, I for one, will be keeping vista, and showing everyone how this thing can get even sweeter!

 

[Kreij]

And they would do that why? Why not just leave PC's in the DOS era? Why support ancient hardware/software?

@Crash : I am truly sorry that you failed to see the sarcasm in my post. There is no sarcasm smiley, so I can understand the confusion.

There are many hotfixes that you can get now, but I am lazy and want them all in a service pack.

 

[asb2106]

good to hear!! Im a huge vista fan too, in the beginning I wasnt to impressed. That was just because it was hyped way too much. After I got over the shock of the new OS and finding everything I am a huge fan. When I go back to XP it just looks boring!

 

[asb2106]

wow, probably took longer to type that than the time, thanks

just incase : sarcasm!

 

[zatblast]

lol... kinda figured that and even if it wasent prefer pointing out how easy things can be rather than asking for some stuff but uh wow that sounds bad... eh too lazy to reword...

 

[Kreij]

just incase : sarcasm!

Sissy. Take the beating and explain later

 

[asb2106]

lol... kinda figured that and even if it wasent prefer pointing out how easy things can be rather than asking for some stuff but uh wow that sounds bad... eh too lazy to reword...

no big, soo ahhhh yah vista.....