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Ok.. first question I cant seem to answer: What has windows not stolen and poorly implemented?

Sitting here on vista, the obvious few: Start button search.. doesn't even work fully yet... one of the simplest things too!

Gadgets. Seen the dashboard? nuff said.

Flip 3d. Expose on os x is so much better.. you dont have to hold windows+tab to keep it open, expose will stay open until you click... and gives you window labels..

Perhaps a better question: What has windows stolen that was implemented effectivly?
 
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Well, my uncle put windows on my pc with a real winxp disc but I think he stole the key (keygen)... but hey, it passed the winxp authenticity thingy...

Also about windows vs any other I personally like windows cause I was raised on windows 98and, through tweaking XP, I've got it to take just about 78mb memory at atartup and I can further beat that down by terminateing one of window media player's dumbass services and get like 12 services running. No antivirus, but I don't need that, heh
 
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oh geez. thats a hard one.

the start menu? i seem to recall way back in the day that apple actually created the origional "start" menu, which was than promptly copied by microsoft.

but i think thats pretty much it.
I like apple's ads "Redmond, start your photocopiers"
 
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Stolen, like they took it by forece, broke in and stole it?


Or like one guy playing a song by someone else, so he stole that.
 
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I like the win xp start menu
Far superior to the win 98 start menu
 
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i can't stand the start menu in general. the dock is the way to go. much more intuitive.

actually, i find osx as a whole much better than windows. problem is, i have no money, therefore i can't get a mac.

but if apple were to release osx as a standalone os not tied to hardware, and still be able to magically support it and have it run as stable as it does on macs, i'd buy it. but thats hard to do: part of the mac's stability comes from the hardware platform.
 
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Widgets were created by a couple of dudes, originally called Konfabulator, which was released for OS X, and shortly later for Windows. I quote from Wikipedia:
"Originally released on February 10, 2003 as a Mac OS X only application which cost US$24.95 (and later, with the release of version 2.0, US$19.95), its Windows version was released on November 8, 2004 with the release of version Konfabulator 1.8, and made freeware with the release of Konfabulator 2.1 on July 25, 2005, when it was sold to Yahoo!. Shortly prior to this, Apple released a similar widget engine, Dashboard, as part of its Mac OS X Tiger operating system."

Widgets were originally for mac, but Apple stole the idea and turned it into their own "Dashboard". thats part of the industry: taking ideas you like/think will be successful and going with it. the problem is, microsoft has tried to do this but haven't been as successful as its counterpart.
 

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How could you have a serious debate when the startpost is already a flame towards Microsoft? I bet this thread will have to be closed really fast due to it being plain flaming.


The one thing Windows is supreme in s user friendlyness, no other OS is as easy to use. (MacOS is A: very limited for users, B: another platform)

Also, I would say driversupport in Windows is quite good compared to other OSes, I can make a very long list of hardware that doesn't work fully under Linux or whatever random OS you pick.

As for Vista, noticed that it's still in beta?



Anyway, I'm not feeding this flamewar anymore.
 
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I prefer Mac OS, simply because it seems to be more stable. And it looks good.

Alas, I'm stuck with Vista for the next five years or so, since I want to play DX10 games. Gah.
 
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The one thing Windows is supreme in s user friendlyness, no other OS is as easy to use. (MacOS is A: very limited for users, B: another platform)

Also, I would say driversupport in Windows is quite good compared to other OSes, I can make a very long list of hardware that doesn't work fully under Linux or whatever random OS you pick.

As for Vista, noticed that it's still in beta?



Anyway, I'm not feeding this flamewar anymore.

I was hoping someone could provide some arguable points, but noone has provided anything othe rthan "omg i like start menuzz"

As for user friendlyness, users are dumb. They don't know how to use windows, they don't know how to use OS X.

They know how to get by in windows.. nothing more, nothing less.


Hardware support for linux- well, companys make drivers for their product. They make a windows driver. Its not linux's fault :laugh: Although a LOT more companies are making linux drivers now!

Yeah, vista is still in beta, but that doesn't mean their poorly copied features are of any use...
 
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i will stick with xp for quite some time.. i stuck with 98 for much the same reasons.. lack of driver support and lazyness on my part..

course after xxx time the position reverses and driver suport for the old operating system starts to dissapear..

i recon a proccess of continuos improvements is better than a whole new shebang every five years..

a new improved xp i might be interested in.. but vista.. nope..

to me an operating system is just something that lets me run other programes.. a shell in essence.. to MS its the be all and end all.. i dont use many of xps features and certainly dont need more..

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I was hoping someone could provide some arguable points, but noone has provided anything othe rthan "omg i like start menuzz"

As for user friendlyness, users are dumb. They don't know how to use windows, they don't know how to use OS X.

They know how to get by in windows.. nothing more, nothing less.


Hardware support for linux- well, companys make drivers for their product. They make a windows driver. Its not linux's fault :laugh: Although a LOT more companies are making linux drivers now!

Yeah, vista is still in beta, but that doesn't mean their poorly copied features are of any use...

So userfriendlyness isn't an argument because users are dumb and driversupport isn't because that's out of the OS's hand? Sure, a LOT of companies make drivers for Linux, care to compare it to Windows though?

As for that last comment, well doh, that's exactly my point. It's Beta, if you expect everything to work, don't use a Beta. Wait for the full product before you complain.

If you really can't find a reason why you should be using Windows, don't use it. If you find yourself installing Windows again after trying other OSes that will be the argument you need.
 

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Which Vista Beta you running? I have RC1 installed and so far, it is the best and most stable one I have tried. My only issue is the ram usage @ about 400MB on the desktop. But I do have to say it does run better and faster than XP, and I have yet to come accross a game that doesn't run better under Vista than XP.

As for them stealing features, I hardly expect you of all people to try and start a flame war. Of course they take their cues from other OS's. Take what works and implement it in your product. That is the American way. Noone forced you to run Vista and noone forced you to run Linux. Noone forces us to buy Macs and noone forces ups to choose any brand.

Sometimes I just have to shake my head at the threads I see here. There seems to be a pervasive use of personal opinions instead of the use of rational arguements/facts. This thread really forced me to dumb down to understand why it was even posted.
 
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*Hasn't paid attention to any of the other posts other then the first one :p* Personally, I would be running all Macs if they had more universal game and hardware support.
Edit- Oh yeah I forgot that Mac OSX is limited...nevermind :laugh:. If Mac had the stability, shinyness, and efficiency that it has, combined with the modability of Windows, you'd have a solid operating system. Wait a minute, isn't that what linux is supposed to be? :).
 
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So userfriendlyness isn't an argument because users are dumb


Take a look at vista? i'll give you a list of 10 things to find and tell me how "userfriendly" it is.
 

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Windows XP is above and afar the best operating system I've ever used. Everything runs on it, its easy to use, its light on resources, stable, the list goes on. You probably think I'm being sarcastic with all of this, but i'm really not. There is precious little i want to do that i can't do in windows XP (usually linux and open-source related things); for those, there is either cygwin or VMWare. XP is easy to trim fat off of and can be extremely resource-friendly if you get off your arse and make it so. Drivers are copious, software is copious... everything runs on windows. uptime isn't the slightest problem; if i so wished, i could leave it running indefinitely. Lots of people wet themselves over the whole "omg macos is so much more secure than windoze!" thing, but that comes down to A) market share and B) retardedness of users. I've been a windows user all my life and ran XP Home SP1a up to around a month ago with no patches newer than around 2003 and no antivirus without the slightest hitch in security.

No, I'm not a windows fanboy. I have no qualms about running a smoothwall router, no tears over running linux-based servers... after all, thats what they're superior for.

Ease-of-use in winXP is so exceedingly superior to every other OS that any "downside" to the operating system is entirely "worth it".
 
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Who attacks mac's anyway? I mean, really? It is like making fun of the retarded kid that sits on the bus and touches himself or eats his boogers. Making fun on Winders is like making fun of the guy who has a trophy wife in his import while you are in your jammies in the mini-van.

Just not smart.


Security is how aware users are and common sense.

I haven't met many Mac fanboys that aren't multi-platform users though ;). How are those games treating ya?
 

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Take a look at vista? i'll give you a list of 10 things to find and tell me how "userfriendly" it is.
Vista is a Beta product, the current version of Windows is Windows XP and its serverpart 2003. Compare those, we're not talking about Linux kernel 4.0 already either are we? Seriously, Linux 4.0 lacks even more, everything.
 

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@Vista : I think it was x800_professor here at TPU who said that Vista RC1 is almost TOO user-friendly. You know, a horrible dog that holds your hand in case you click somewhere and tells you that everything is going to be alright. But that might not equal a "really" user-friendly OS.. Sounds disturbing though.

@ Windows : The only thing I do with my computer is to play games, write and watch movies. And I can do that very easily and get away with it for a *low* cost. PC's aren't nearly as exenspive as a Mac is. Plus all the things Dan said. I can plug in anything and a window pops up and tells me what to do, and it often works. Plug 'n Pray should really be known as Plug 'n Play. Sure, there are problems, but they don't occur *that* often unless it's something wrong with the hardware.

And there are several good ways to modify Windows XP after your like.

@ Linux : I love the idea of Linux. I REALLY do. But the thing is I don't know a single thing about it. I tried the Ubuntu 6.06LTS Live-CD and got a "GUI Fail!" (or something) error messege when everything was loaded, and all I saw was a line that said ":mad:ubuntu:" (or something). o_O That's easy to deal with when I don't know a single command.
 
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Vista is a Beta product, the current version of Windows is Windows XP and its serverpart 2003. Compare those, we're not talking about Linux kernel 4.0 already either are we? Seriously, Linux 4.0 lacks even more, everything.
I'll compare OS X leopard to Vista if you would prefer.

$5 says leopard comes out without a scratch.
 
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I bet it does too, since it's been released and out for years, and Vista is still in beta. Complete, released, tested software Vs. Incomplete, Unreleased, beta tested software. Hmm... Yup, OSX wins. Here's a novel idea, lets wait 'till the full release of Vista before we proclaim it a lame duck. Let's be serious now, how can you honestly expect Mircrosoft, or any other corporation for that matter, to come out with a wholey original peice of software, without good ideas borrowed from other areas? I mean seriously. Can you think of any completely original Ideas for an OS based on CURRENT AND IMPLEMENTABLE technology? Now remember your task is to create a successful OS with absolutely no ideas borrowed from any other program. I think that's an absurd thing to expect. Maybe you guys just want them to put XP in a new box? I say good for Mircrosoft for trying to implement the things everyone likes about operating systems in one OS. All operating systems, and most things in general, are more about innovation rather than invention. You take the best of the past, and build on it to try to make it a little better. Sometimes you can add a little something new in to help the process. Then a little down, the road after a few steps, something completely new is formed. Have you gone back to tried and use Windows 3.x? Then Windows 95, 98, 2000, and XP? How about the Mac OS? Notice how none are completely original, they always just build on each other, and borrow from other programs. So just get over it. Vista isn't wholey different from XP or OSX, it's the bastard child of both, but who cares. There is a huge difference between Vista, and Windows 3.x though. See how it works?
 

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@ Linux : I love the idea of Linux. I REALLY do. But the thing is I don't know a single thing about it. I tried the Ubuntu 6.06LTS Live-CD and got a "GUI Fail!" (or something) error messege when everything was loaded, and all I saw was a line that said ":mad:ubuntu:" (or something). o_O That's easy to deal with when I don't know a single command.

i know exactly what you mean, i really want to ditch m$ and run linux, only trouble being because i got into computers so late IE after dos and windows 3.* etc etc i have no idea about command based os and tbh i have no desire to learn, yes i want somthing else apart from m$ cause i know its out there but theres no use in an old dog learning new tricks it isnt going to happen im afraid :( i actually have ubuntu installed on a seperate partition (done it myself :) lol and allocated a seperate 2gb swap partition) but i dont bloody know how to even install my modem driver (any help pm me :) ) so there we go, if i cant get that far, theres no way in hell im gonna ditch my beloved windows xp installation with all my lovely games and programs and stuff lol and easy 1 click drivers for the aforementioned. linux is a good idea and ideal for all you veterans who have been tinkering since the days of old but alas i fear as powerful and as stable ( as long as configured correctly) linux is that it will only be the choice of hardcore techies and command wizkids and servers (which i hear its very good for)
and even now linux is moving more towards a m$/osx graphical look because the old language of dos is dying, and by that i mean its not being learnt anymore accept by programmers etc etc
 
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Go to the Linux forum, it's right above this one, people will help you with that there :) .
 
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I bet it does too, since it's been released and out for years, and Vista is still in beta. Complete, released, tested software Vs. Incomplete, Unreleased, beta tested software.
Yep that leaked leopard apple was showing off a few weeks ago has been out for years. SUre has! :rolleyes: Learn your codenames before you insult someones arguement.