Wireless Keyboard Can Kill Frame rates!!!!!

Robert-The-Rambler · Apr 21, 2010

In another thread I had been discussing that I was having performance issues with the original FEAR and not Perseus Mandate. Well, I discovered the solution and frankly it is a very strange one indeed. You need to disconnect your wireless keyboard and mouse. The link I have here refers directly to Logitech wireless devices as I have the Logitech EX 100 wireless keyboard and mouse. I find it incredible that this is in fact the issue. I use my Logitech Dual Action Gamepad programmed as a keyboard and mouse to game so I don't miss the keyboard and mouse for FEAR. The FPS now are solid 60 with Vsync on.

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=859&PID=6620

Anybody who can explain the problem from a technical standpoint is more than welcome but it is possible that this could impact other games but so far FEAR is the only one I can confirm. A keyboard can bring a multi-thousand dollar PC to its knees..... A friggin keyboard...... :twitch:

Mussels · Apr 21, 2010

interesting problem

Wile E · Apr 21, 2010

I knew there was something else amiss in your system. Your FEAR performance just didn't make any sense at all.

HookeyStreet · Apr 21, 2010

Yeah, Ive encountered a problem like this. I built a gaming rig for my bro in law and used a wireless MS keyboard & mouse. Big mistake! Whilst they were attached to the system (2.4GHz wireless, not Bluetooth I should add), Crysis was randomly dropping frames and lagging.

I returned the keyboard & mouse. Got him a wired setup and now its running like a champ :rockout:

Bjorn_Of_Iceland · Apr 21, 2010

would a wireless xbox gamepad have the same result?

HalfAHertz · Apr 21, 2010

I've been using wireless mice for the last couple of years with no issues what so ever...

Mussels · Apr 21, 2010

makes me wonder whats in common here - are they RF devices, or bluetooth based?

is the controller in these 'bad' devices the same chipset? is it only low end devices as it seems, or do high end ones have this issue as well? is it related to low battery/interference?

HookeyStreet · Apr 21, 2010

Bjorn_Of_Iceland said:
would a wireless xbox gamepad have the same result?

Quite possibly because they are 2.4GHz RF.

Mussels said:
makes me wonder whats in common here - are they RF devices, or bluetooth based?

is the controller in these 'bad' devices the same chipset? is it only low end devices as it seems, or do high end ones have this issue as well? is it related to low battery/interference?

Your right. There has to be a factor that comes into play when this problem occurs (ie chipset, wireless type etc).

The keyboard & mouse wireless that I had the problem with was an expensive official MicroSoft 2.4GHz RF bundle.

Im not sure if the Bluetooth devices suffer from this problem :confused:

Mussels · Apr 21, 2010

so far all we've seen is RF devices, not bluetooth (or variants, like logitech high end use)

dr emulator (madmax) · Apr 21, 2010

could be anything i suppose
i would hazard a guess at it being some sort of external interference
as i do remember my logitech keybords receiver having no metal rf shields, so it literaly could've picked up anything
(i haven't used the keyboard in years because the mouse needed the damned batteries charging every week)
it was 2.4 ghz

i've just remembered i didn't remove the batteries :twitch:

damnit they'll be all furry now :cry:

yes m my uncles mouse uses a 50mhz frequency iirc :wtf:

and he's always moaning it doesn't work right :shadedshu

Robert-The-Rambler · Apr 21, 2010

I read somewhere else.....

It said something about replication of the HIDs. So like 10 of those might install or something like that and bog the system down. I'm not really sure what that all means but I'm pretty sure it is not a frequency issue. It has something to do with the interaction of the receiver connected to the USB interface.

It is hard to find info about this problem so I'm sorry I can't remember where that was.

Mussels · Apr 21, 2010

Robert-The-Rambler said:
It said something about replication of the HIDs. So like 10 of those might install or something like that and bog the system down. I'm not really sure what that all means but I'm pretty sure it is not a frequency issue. It has something to do with the interaction of the receiver connected to the USB interface.

It is hard to find info about this problem so I'm sorry I can't remember where that was.

I've seen that, sometimes a wireless device shows up tons of HID's in device manager

newtekie1 · Apr 21, 2010

I have a similar issue with ProtoType, though I use a wired keyboard and wireless mouse(G15 and G7).

I have to go into Device Manager and disable every HID device I can except for the basic Keyboard and Mouse. This includes things like my UPS battery backup, and the driver that runs the LCD on the keyboard. If I do this I get a solid 60FPS, if I don't I get 20FPS and it gets worse the longer I play.

HalfAHertz · Apr 21, 2010

Robert-The-Rambler said:
It said something about replication of the HIDs. So like 10 of those might install or something like that and bog the system down. I'm not really sure what that all means but I'm pretty sure it is not a frequency issue. It has something to do with the interaction of the receiver connected to the USB interface.

It is hard to find info about this problem so I'm sorry I can't remember where that was.

Interesting. I've got a single wireless mouse iperating at 2,4GHz, but there are 3 devices in the DM. Disabled 2 of those and the mouse still works, weird huh?

Champ · Apr 22, 2010

So now I'm thinking, are true gaming machines wired? I like wireless, but I know you don't have as many problems running wired.

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Wireless Keyboard Can Kill Frame rates!!!!!

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