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Yes, all Chinese products are made with evil but Not all facilities are as bad as the Foxconn/Apple facility....

Its called.... 'making a profit'

though directors/bosses/managers of Foxconn are equally as guilty for not negotiating with Apple for more money so staff can be better paid and have better working conditions instead of being treated like stray dogs who have just swam half a mile up a sewer pipe full of runny human excrement

though apple would probably use it as a reason to increase prices. Im sure if the rest of the world knew the kind of conditions the factory workers have to live and work through, they'd think twice about buying another apple product.
The issue is bigger than Foxconn and Apple. It isn't just about profit either. The issue is a political one. It's China's government, China has very few strong laws that enforce basic rights for employees regarding pay and working conditions.

You realise that China's Government has made it illegal to protest. So even if employees form a union or lobby for more pay they will be arrested and might even face the death penalty.

So yes, Apple and Foxconn want profit, but ultimately the buck stops with China's corrupt Government for not putting in place basic legislation and enforcing it.
 
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Man this could all be avoided if we just stop making shit in CHINA! All we ever hear about is the poor people over there and how down troden they are! Too bad! Suck it up! This is the kind of government you wanted! Man how it is so time to put made in America back on the goods!
 

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Man this could all be avoided if we just stop making shit in CHINA! All we ever hear about is the poor people over there and how down troden they are! Too bad! Suck it up! This is the kind of government you wanted! Man how it is so time to put made in America back on the goods!
People need to stop buying these goods, stop going to places where these goods are sold. It's not going to happen anytime soon.
 

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People need to stop buying these goods, stop going to places where these goods are sold. It's not going to happen anytime soon.
I so agree! It is tragic that made in America is now made in China, And all we hear about is how bad they have it! Well piss off with that crap. Riot and maybe things will change for you? I say we need to bring the good times back to America!
 
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Man this could all be avoided if we just stop making shit in CHINA! All we ever hear about is the poor people over there and how down troden they are!
There is a bigger world outside America, only 30% of you guys have passports, which puts American's in a weak position to talk criticially about other cultures.

I so agree! It is tragic that made in America is now made in China, And all we hear about is how bad they have it! Well piss off with that crap. Riot and maybe things will change for you? I say we need to bring the good times back to America!
What good times was that? When did America make stuff. Tell me what America manufactured please?

Too bad! Suck it up! This is the kind of government you wanted! Man how it is so time to put made in America back on the goods!
The Chinese people don't want that Government. It isn't like America where you vote and have a fair system. You honestly think the Chinese people want to be oppressed?

The problem with manufacturing in America is it doesn't have enough natural resources for manufacturing. In a way China is holding America and the rest of the western world ransom because we need their natural resources.

In a few decades to a century China will be economically as powerful as America, maybe more so. The Chinese will be exporting products to America at 10x the price and there will be nothing America can do. So enjoy it now because China will get the last laugh. :)
 
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What good times was that? When did America make stuff. Tell me what America manufactured please?
You do realize America is still one of the largest producers of goods in the world? We make most the tools other countries build things with. We make a VAST amount of industrial equipment. We make the things that make things basically.
 
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You do realize America is still one of the largest producers of goods in the world? We make most the tools other countries build things with. We make a VAST amount of industrial equipment. We make the things that make things basically.
Indeed. USA is doing very well for manufacturing. But compared to South East Asia on a whole they far dominates USA for manufacturing to the point where USA isn't on the radar.

I believe China as an independent country is just behind or on par with USA for manufacturing, which says alot considering China is almost like a third world country in certain districts.

It's amazing a country which has a weak economy (but growing rapidly) and is near third world has equal manufacturing than a superpower like America. Think how things will be in a few decades :)
 
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Indeed. USA doing very well for manufacturing. But compared to South East Asia on a whole they far dominates America for manufacturing to the point where America isn't on the radar.

I believe China as an independent country is just behind or on par with USA for manufacturing, which isn't saying much considering China is almost like a third world country in certain districts.

It's amazing a country which has a weak economy (but growing rapidly) and is near third world has equal manufacturing than a superpower like America. Think how things will be in a few decades :)
Within a few decades it will collapse in on itself. Japan was in FAR better shape in the 80's and look what happen there. India has a FAR better chance of being a powerhouse in the long run. China is manipulating its currency and is severely oppressing its people. Its a powder keg. A LOT of US companies have been pulling out of Hong Kong because of the writing on the wall.
 
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Indeed. USA is doing very well for manufacturing. But compared to South East Asia on a whole they far dominates USA for manufacturing to the point where USA isn't on the radar.

I believe China as an independent country is just behind or on par with USA for manufacturing, which says alot considering China is almost like a third world country in certain districts.

It's amazing a country which has a weak economy (but growing rapidly) and is near third world has equal manufacturing than a superpower like America. Think how things will be in a few decades :)
China is just going to fold under the pressure it creates. America manufactures like an animal and anyone who says otherwise has no idea where goods come from on this planet and should likely not even be talking about gross exports and the economy. How can anyone even say "America is not even on the radar"? that is just ridiculous and sounds like plain old America bashing.. Nothing more, nothing less..
 
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Within a few decades it will collapse in on itself. Japan was in FAR better shape in the 80's and look what happen there. India has a FAR better chance of being a powerhouse in the long run. China is manipulating its currency and is severely oppressing its people. Its a powder keg. A LOT of US companies have been pulling out of Hong Kong because of the writing on the wall.
India has scope to do well. Japan is already doing well.

China has a lot of issue surround its Government, but will become a superpower by default. The sheer size of the country and quantity of citizens means its bound to happen, look at any financial article and there are plenty of statistics on this matter.

Do not confuse China with Hong Kong, Hong Kong is culturally different and their government is completely different, they are more socialist and have good working conditions for employees, basic human rights, animal rights, respect for copyright and privacy and actively enforce it. They have things you expect from a civilised society in the 21st century.


How can anyone even say "America is not even on the radar"? that is just ridiculous and sounds like plain old America bashing.. Nothing more, nothing less..
Compared to South East Asia on a whole yes. I.e. China, Cambodia, Mongolia, Vietnam, Japan, North Korea, South Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, Thailand, East Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines, Singapore etc

It's not America bashing I'm telling 100% documented facts. Would you rather I lie?
 
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India has scope to do well. Japan is already doing well.

China has a lot of issue surround its Government, but will become a superpower by default. The sheer size of the country and quantity of citizens means its bound to happen, look at any financial article and there are plenty of statistics on this matter.
Ive been to China a few times. I know exactly what Hong Kong WAS and is becoming. The only reason Hong Kong was relatively civilized by western standards was due to British occupation. But that ship has sailed. The Chinese government is gonna milk it for all it can to maintain power. Pretty soon that nest egg will be depleted and you will see a mass exodus of foreign investors. Also Japan is doing well? Guess you haven't seen their debt to GDP ratio in the last 20 years. They have taken Keynesian eco. to a new level of fail. Germany is doing FAR better.

It's not America bashing I'm telling 100% documented facts. Would you rather I lie?
Yeah we are not even on the map? :eek::laugh:

 
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Honestly most religions have been preaching "I told ya so" for years now. Its the "era of reason" that has everyone "living for today" and not giving a crap about their fellow man. I personally think we are in an intellectual dark age and I have to look no further then twitter, facebook or even 4chan for proof.
You should have included gamers, lol. Sorry Mailman, but in the centuries before people like always also lived like crazy "for the day", please don't pretend to sell 'good ole times of granddady'. Tolkien wrote novels not history.
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Ive been to China a few times. I know exactly what Hong Kong WAS and is becoming. The only reason Hong Kong was relatively civilized by western standards was due to British occupation.
The reasoning will sidetrack the conversation. But I agree. It's a very westernised place. When I went there were more KFCs and McDonalds per mile than in London and their English is very good unlike China's.

Also Japan is doing well? Guess you haven't seen their debt to GDP ratio in the last 20 years. They have taken Keynesian eco. to a new level of fail. Germany is doing FAR better.
But you say that like America is doing well and aren't in debt also. Japan is doing well relative to America, if America is your benchmark.


That is very interesting. But doesnt show much.


It’s true that U.S. manufacturing value added – basically, the value of the U.S.’ manufacturing output – is still bigger than China’s, but only by about 13 percent. And the value of China’s manufacturing output has been rising much faster than the U.S.’
http://www.chinaglobaltrade.com/article/us-manufacturing-and-trade-with-china

So only 13% separates a super power like USA compared to a country where its citizens are living like a third world in China. Now if we add South-East Asia on a whole, then yes USA isn't on the radar as China by self is almost on par.

Also to add, USA is slow down manufacturing (for cheaper labour elsewhere and because of diminishing natural resources) whereas China is speeding up manufacturing. One is slowing down where another is speeding up!
 
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Also to add, USA is slow down manufacturing (for cheaper labour elsewhere and because of diminishing natural resources) whereas china is speeding up manufacturing. One is slowing down where another is speeding up!
Actually China's economy has been slowing lately.

The US is also the largest exporter of firearms in the world. Also keep in mind that a lot of these products being made in China were designed and developed in the USA.
 
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Actually China's economy has been slowing lately.
We are talking about China's manufacturing growth, not china's general economy growth.


The US is also the largest exporter of firearms in the world. Also keep in mind that a lot of these products being made in China were designed and developed in the USA.

Being the largest exporter of firearms in the world is nothing to be proud of. America and their killing machines. Shameful.

Yes, a lot of good ideas came from USA and Europe, being a highly developed countries they have the well educated scientists and researchers. But it doesn't take away that manufacturing is decreasing in the western world. They depend on Asia to mass produce their designs.
 
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The workers there must be really pissed off to go on the violent way. As far as I know, Chinese workers are known for their high level of tolerance.
 
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Ever wonder why Apple is a multi billion $ company?? This is the answer. Cheap labor to maximize profit. Until they snap...
 
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This is not the first time Foxconn´s China plant is in the news - last time there were suicides for Foxconn workers there :(
 
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So even if employees form a union or lobby for more pay they will be arrested and might even face the death penalty.
No they wont. They will be fined or do some voluntary labor work for community. Communism is not only about death penalty you know...;)

I say we need to bring the good times back to America!
And triple the price of ALL products?!? Good bankruptcy!

You do realize America is still one of the largest producers of goods in the world? We make most the tools other countries build things with. We make a VAST amount of industrial equipment. We make the things that make things basically.
Interesting. I have travel all over the Europe and some countries in Asia, and in which I never found 1 (one) product made in US.
Ex:
clothing: all made in China, Vietnam
electronics: all made in China, Taiwan or Japan
toys: all made in China
house tools: all made in China, Swiss, Sweden, Germany, etc
consumables: as above...
 
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#74
LOL. You mean those:



You don't want me to put China exports list, hahaha. I think 10 pages of this forum wont be enough.... LOL
 
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#75
No they wont. They will be fined or do some voluntary labor work for community. Communism is not only about death penalty you know...;)
Or they might just disappear.

Yes, death penalty is a bit extreme, they usually reserve that for Citizens that lobby for political change lol

You don't want me to put China exports list, hahaha. I think 10 pages of this forum wont be enough.... LOL
I think its needed. Post China. A lot of Americans are still in denial about both China's export and manufacturing power.