Worlds lightest Orbea Oiz XC bike

[FreedomEclipse]

Yea sure, like I said, a cheaper sports car will just do fine. Something like a Porsche Targa is a great drivers car, I actually know more about cars than about bikes. It’s not as overbuilt, heavy and overblown as the 911, it’s basically like a older 911, which many people prefer anyway.

I was going to mention the 911 originally in my previous post. Times a changing though in the automotive world. You can have a lot of fun with a 3cylinder 1-1.6L turbo charged engine provided its mated with the right chassis. A good example would be the Toyota GR Yaris. Its wont be the fastest thing on the road but it will be super fun to drive.

 

[Jetster]

Here's the E Bike i want. Only 15 K

S-Works Turbo Levo | Specialized.com

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I dont want e-bike - im fast enough.

This is what i want. $5.6k

 

[eazen]

I dont want e-bike - im fast enough.

This is what i want. $5.6k

That’s a good answer, I don’t like e bikes. Gonna buy a e bike when I’m old (never).

 

[Jetster]

That’s a good answer, I don’t like e bikes. Gonna buy a e bike when I’m old (never).

10 years ago, I said the same thing

 

[eazen]

10 years ago, I said the same thing

You should’ve sticked with it. I still behave like a teenager or twen when it comes to bikes, that won’t change in 10 years either.

 

[Jetster]

Did you ride today? I did, I rode yesterday too, and the day before. I don't own an e bike yet, but I've been watching the industry for 20 years. Times are changing and never say never

 

[eazen]

Did you ride today? I did, I rode yesterday too, and the day before. I don't own an e bike yet, but I've been watching the industry for 20 years. Times are changing and never say never

Good, I’m saying never, a bike for me is something to power with my own body, entirely, no compromises. If I want a motor I drive a car or a motorcycle. It’s a philosophy I have, so you can take my “never” entirely serious.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

E bikes are cheating. I have done 30/40/50 and even a 100 mile ride on my bike, imagine how easy it would be on a E bike. Sometimes I kinda get them depending why you use it. I see a lot of deliveroo, or just eat riders using them in my city, i get that if they are busy all day. Using one for pleasure rides though is just lazy, they don't give you any fitness benefit. I sometimes work in a cycle shop helping with repairs, and most of the E bike riders use powered mode only and never even pedal them, but i guess that's what most E bike riders do, specially when it's a high end bike.

I ride my bike every day, probably about 60 miles a week, unless i do some group rides when it could be double that or more. I have really good legs now, and probably would not have if my bike was mega light, as i would not be pushing the weight. I do get light bikes though, just don't really see how it benefits your legs muscle development.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

E bikes are cheating. I have done 30/40/50 and even a 100 mile ride on my bike, imagine how easy it would be on a E bike. Sometimes I kinda get them depending why you use it. I see a lot of deliveroo, or just eat riders using them in my city, i get that if they are busy all day. Using one for pleasure rides though is just lazy, they don't give you any fitness benefit. I sometimes work in a cycle shop helping with repairs, and most of the E bike riders use powered mode only and never even pedal them, but i guess that's what most E bike riders do, specially when it's a high end bike.

I ride my bike every day, probably about 60 miles a week, unless i do some group rides when it could be double that or more. I have really good legs now, and probably would not have if my bike was mega light, as i would not be pushing the weight. I do get light bikes though, just don't really see how it benefits your legs muscle development.

Sometimes its not just about the fitness but old age or physical rehabilitation due to injury. If it makes it easier for a 300lb dude to get out, lose weight and get fitter then its a good start. Some peoples joints or muscles might not be so good for medical reasons (muscular atrophy??) or they just live in super hilly areas. If i lived in a super hilly area - id get an e-bike too. No shame in that, I just dont expect to keep it forever.

sometimes working long shifts on your feet all day can make cycling home a pain, especially if you have to do it every day. Everyone's circumstances are different and cycling even 5miles is really hard for more people than you expect - Not because they are unfit but because they think 5miles is a very long distance and they arent used to cycling that long.

 

[eazen]

Sometimes its not just about the fitness but old age or physical rehabilitation due to injury. If it makes it easier for a 300lb dude to get out, lose weight and get fitter then its a good start. Some peoples joints or muscles might not be so good for medical reasons (muscular atrophy??) or they just live in super hilly areas. If i lived in a super hilly area - id get an e-bike too. No shame in that, I just dont expect to keep it forever.

sometimes working long shifts on your feet all day can make cycling home a pain, especially if you have to do it every day. Everyone's circumstances are different and cycling even 5miles is really hard for more people than you expect - Not because they are unfit but because they think 5miles is a very long distance and they arent used to cycling that long.

Imagine there is no e bike? What then? Exactly, no excuses. If you get used to not use your body you’ll get unfit. Fitness is about doing it, forcing it, pushing yourself. And I also love that bikes are completely analogue, no electronics. A e bike contradicts so many good things about biking. It’s not about cheating, it’s about staying healthy and for once doing something which is more natural and less to do with electronics. If you can’t drive 5 miles, that’s a problem, take a train then or get a motorbike, whatever. I don’t see the sense in buying a e bike. Once you do it, you have lost the battle. Most people probably abuse the motor, he’s right.

 

[freeagent]

This used to be my bike

 

[Shrek]

My mountain bike weighs 19.5kg and it is HEAVY; I actually expected this bike to be a lot less than half of mine.

 

[freeagent]

My mountain bike weighs 19.5kg and it is HEAVY; I actually expected this bike to be a lot less than half of mine.

Not sure how heavy my Big Hit is, probably two or three of my Vertexes

 

[Shrek]

Mine is a work bike, so I use extra thick inner tubes; and anyhow, I could do with the exercise.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Imagine there is no e bike? What then?

then you take your fat ass to the gym or buy an indoor bike to train up

This used to be my bike

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used to be? what happened? stolen??

 

[eazen]

then you take your fat ass to the gym or buy an indoor bike to train up

Or you clinch your ass cheeks together and just drive. Motivation is everything. E bikes are really like a cheat code, what is this weird mix of bike and motorcycle, I hated it since I first saw it, it’s for losers, I’m sorry.

 

[freeagent]

then you take your fat ass to the gym or buy an indoor bike to train up



used to be? what happened? stolen??

Yup, New Years Eve 2015.. We lived in an apartment building. The room that had our storage lockers was broken into, and everyone's locker was looted. This room was next to the caretakers suite.. of course they were not home.. and we didn't have insurance because I was cheap.. and that's what happens when you cheap out on the wrong things.. lesson learned

 

[eazen]

Yup, New Years Eve 2015.. We lived in an apartment building. The room that had our storage lockers was broken into, and everyone's locker was looted. This room was next to the caretakers suite.. of course they were not home.. and we didn't have insurance because I was cheap.. and that's what happens when you cheap out on the wrong things.. lesson learned

That's sad, nobody expects something like that to happen and then it does.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Yup, New Years Eve 2015.. We lived in an apartment building. The room that had our storage lockers was broken into, and everyone's locker was looted. This room was next to the caretakers suite.. of course they were not home.. and we didn't have insurance because I was cheap.. and that's what happens when you cheap out on the wrong things.. lesson learned

Sorry for your loss - a friend of mine had his bike stolen the same way on new years day. His family lived in a rough area on a 3rd or 4th floor apartment and he left the bike on his balcony like a lot of people do thinking that nobodys gonna come and steal it.... Well, some people jumped over the fence into the shared garden below that night then one of them SCALED THE BUILDING like spiderman to get to his bike and toss it down to his friends below.

He still sees these people riding around the hood on his bike - he's reported it to the police multiple times but the police wont do nothing.

His family didnt have home insurance or insurance for the bike either.

 

[Operandi]

Yea I saw good MB with double suspension and it was simply too expensive for me, they started at about 1700€. I opted for a bike under 1000€ with front suspension and switched the seat seating out with one that has inbuilt suspension, cheapo double suspension for about 750€. I was surprised that my other bike back then in 2004 had double suspension for just 800€ and I bought it for 500€ after reduction. I guess the brands are much more expensive and then things like modern brakes etc add to it as well.

Yeah, just making a point that weight isn't really that big of deal. You'll be a bit faster up climbs but it does nothing for the downs and flats, where as good full suspension will make you faster on everything, even climbs if they are at all technical. That said full suspension only makes sense when you are shopping at certain price level, entry level full suspension isn't worth the complexity and the performance gains are not there.

Kashima is much more slippery so less stiction, and its very durable, so less chance of scratching the stantions.

All true but its nothing you are ever going to feel it. I have no doubt it is technically smoother and longer lasting and but the best way to keep you suspension feeling good is to service it when you are supposed to. Its cool stuff, but its paying that extra 25% to get that extra 1-2% of performance kinda thing.

 

[Frick]

I dont want e-bike - im fast enough.

This is what i want. $5.6k

There's e-bikes and then there's e-bikes.

E bikes are cheating. I have done 30/40/50 and even a 100 mile ride on my bike, imagine how easy it would be on a E bike. Sometimes I kinda get them depending why you use it. I see a lot of deliveroo, or just eat riders using them in my city, i get that if they are busy all day. Using one for pleasure rides though is just lazy, they don't give you any fitness benefit. I sometimes work in a cycle shop helping with repairs, and most of the E bike riders use powered mode only and never even pedal them, but i guess that's what most E bike riders do, specially when it's a high end bike.

Pleasant things does not have to have fitness benefits as well. I assume you don't do cardio while gaming.

Imagine there is no e bike? What then? Exactly, no excuses. If you get used to not use your body you’ll get unfit. Fitness is about doing it, forcing it, pushing yourself. And I also love that bikes are completely analogue, no electronics. A e bike contradicts so many good things about biking. It’s not about cheating, it’s about staying healthy and for once doing something which is more natural and less to do with electronics. If you can’t drive 5 miles, that’s a problem, take a train then or get a motorbike, whatever. I don’t see the sense in buying a e bike. Once you do it, you have lost the battle. Most people probably abuse the motor, he’s right.

The number of cyclists I encounter who cycle for fitness are ... very few. Most do it because it's convenient and nice on some days. The fitness benefit rarely has anything to do with it, and I live in a very flat place so it's not like there's any challange to be had anywhere. And as far as doing something that is more natural, why not run instead? Way purer than biking.

 

[eazen]

The number of cyclists I encounter who cycle for fitness are ... very few. Most do it because it's convenient and nice on some days. The fitness benefit rarely has anything to do with it, and I live in a very flat place so it's not like there's any challange to be had anywhere. And as far as doing something that is more natural, why not run instead? Way purer than biking.

Did you ask them? Did they tell you they don’t care about the fitness aspect about it? Somehow I don’t believe that. Yes cycling for fun is nice, but the fitness aspect is important too, I don’t see that many fun bikers here. I see mixed bikers that do it for both and serious bikers that use racing bikes.

If my environment would be totally flat I would naturally just drive more with the bike, challenge is relative, it doesn’t need mountains or hills.

 

[Frick]

Did you ask them? Did they tell you they don’t care about the fitness aspect about it? Somehow I don’t believe that. Yes cycling for fun is nice, but the fitness aspect is important too, I don’t see that many fun bikers here. I see mixed bikers that do it for both and serious bikers that use racing bikes.

If my environment would be totally flat I would naturally just drive more with the bike, challenge is relative, it doesn’t need mountains or hills.

Middle aged people cycling slow as to not build up a sweat aren't really pushing themselves, are they? Or the chainsmoking students who smokes while cycling to whatever it is they do in the night.

 

[eazen]

Middle aged people cycling slow as to not build up a sweat aren't really pushing themselves, are they? Or the chainsmoking students who smokes while cycling to whatever it is they do in the night.

Maybe true but I don’t see many E bikers here, and people who don’t push themselves, for what should they need e bikes? Yea a few students would buy them if they weren’t expensive.