Would upgrading to a GPU with more ram stop stuttering?

[rahulyo]

Seriously, drop the rapelay thing guys. There is no need for it in this thread.

Yes ur right .OP create this thread for help not to heard other things.

 

[sneekypeet]

Alright since warnings don't go so well, next one to mention the word rape or the game rapelay or whatever the game is gets a week with no posting rights. I saw Mussels ask twice already, there is no reason I should even have to be here posting this.

If you don't like his screen shot, move on and don't help, carrying on about it isn't solving his issues or your issues with what a image of a game icon represents.

 

[LoneReaction]

No, changing an ENTIRE setup save for the video card does not, in any way, prove the cpu was to blame.

The things that changed were the cpu, ram, motherboard. Is it possible to be a ram problem? 4GB DDR2 vs 4GB DDR3. I feel that it is the CPU because for games that I have this kind of problem with, my old E7200 was maxing out. On the i7 it barely uses 30% of total power.

 

[Mussels]

Alright since warnings don't go so well, next one to mention the word rape or the game rapelay or whatever the game is gets a week with no posting rights. I saw Mussels ask twice already, there is no reason I should even have to be here posting this.

If you don't like his screen shot, move on and don't help, carrying on about it isn't solving his issues or your issues with what a image of a game icon represents.

i was about to give infractions, but you beat me to it while i was at work.

*ANY* more mentions of this topic, results in infractions. I dont care what your post content is, you HAVE been warned.

 

[Wile E]

The things that changed were the cpu, ram, motherboard. Is it possible to be a ram problem? 4GB DDR2 vs 4GB DDR3. I feel that it is the CPU because for games that I have this kind of problem with, my old E7200 was maxing out. On the i7 it barely uses 30% of total power.

30% of your current cpu is most likely nearly equivalent to the processing power of your old cpu at 100%. I've tested games with a 4870 on my 6400+ X2 downclocked to 2Ghz, and didn't get any stuttering, and a 2Ghz AM2 X2 is a lot less powerful than the e7200. Sure, it loses a few frames, but ti doesn't stutter at all.

Did you do a clean install with the new hardware? If so, it could've been purely software related.

 

[LoneReaction]

Did you do a clean install with the new hardware? If so, it could've been purely software related.

Yes, I did that. Seems like this will remain a mystery.

 

[rahulyo]

U change ur CPU+Mobo+RAM still face stuttering Strange ...

Try other GPU on ur system.(I don't tell u to buy new GPU just try ur friend's GPU on ur system ).I also face stuttering when i had Palit 4850 Sonic,Now i buy Sapphire HD5850 and my stuttering problem is gone.

 

[LoneReaction]

No, the stuttering is gone. Problem is gone, just no idea what cured it. XD

 

[Adol007]

Hello,

Did you do a re-install when you changed hardware?

I've had stuttering problems before with sli'd 8800gt but it always went away after doing a clean windows install wich means it was software related.

If it comes back try to remember what you installed beforehand.

 

[Flyordie]

I wouldn't buy anything below HD5850 performance, since your current card and HD5770 is quite close in performance.

Ask yourself if it worth spending hundred bucks for ~0-5% gain in performance.

I can personally state that the performance increase is more than 0-5%.

Upgrading from a HD4850 512MB OC (750Mhz Core, 1.2Ghz Mem) to a 1GB HD5770 which is running 900Mhz Core 1.3Ghz Mem, I see a 15-20% increase across the board. If it was an HD4850 1GB, the increase would probably be 5-10% but you see my point now I hope.

 

[Mussels]

I can personally state that the performance increase is more than 0-5%.

Upgrading from a HD4850 512MB OC (750Mhz Core, 1.2Ghz Mem) to a 1GB HD5770 which is running 900Mhz Core 1.1Ghz Mem, I see a 15-20% increase across the board. If it was an HD4850 1GB, the increase would probably be 5-10% but you see my point now I hope.

5770's are quite equal to a 4870. they will be a decent jump from a 4850, especially if you go 512MB to 1GB.

 

[cadaveca]

No, the stuttering is gone. Problem is gone, just no idea what cured it. XD

The larger cache of your new cpu, plus the better memory controller, together, make for less system latency, which leads to better performance.

Running a 2MB cpu, which must run the game, driver, plus OS and VGA overhead. AMDs have less issues in this regard due to have onboard memory controllers. 2MB just wasn't enough.

Going from an E6600(4mb cache) to an e8400(6MB cache), both at the same 3ghz, has the e8400 a fair bit faster. I've had all these chips/vgas, so have alot of experience as to what shoudl be paired with what...E7300 should be paired with HD4770.

 

[rahulyo]

The larger cache of your new cpu, plus the better memory controller, together, make for less system latency, which leads to better performance.

Running a 2MB cpu, which must run the game, driver, plus OS and VGA overhead. AMDs have less issues in this regard due to have onboard memory controllers. 2MB just wasn't enough.

So its a cpu cache memory problem ...

 

[cadaveca]

Sure. in order to have ALT-TAB to desktop, copy of vga ram is cached in system ram. This means every time the vga changes it's cache, system cache changes to, and this leads to some stutter in some situations, as teh cpu cache gets thrashed. Pretty common, actually.

It's reasons like this that you should not just grab parts and throw them together..I mean you can, and it will work, but there just something about properly selecting parts to work well with one another.

 

[rahulyo]

So computer assembly is like a Engineering ....

 

[hellrazor]

Has anybody thought of getting a sound card? My cousin has a dual-core with a Radeon 5500 HD, and he can barely play Oblivion because he uses on-board sound, and any more than like 5 or 6 sounds playing together makes it stutter really badly (it gets even worse when he's on a horse).

Whoo.... I almost forgot the 's' in horse. That would've sounded funny.

 

[cadaveca]

Onboard typically uses cpu for processing, hence the stutter.

 

[Wile E]

Onboard typically uses cpu for processing, hence the stutter.

In anything newer than XP, the cpu is used for processing. Vista and newer do not allow direct access to sound hardware. Post-processing can still be handled at the hardware level tho. He might want to try disabling any post processing, like Graphic equalizer or those environmental effects(Hall, Theater, etc.). Also, just try updating drivers. That can go a long way sometimes. Although, I would still grab a sound card, just because they sound so much better. Even my Audigy 2ZS is better sounding than the best on-board out there.

And a 2MB cpu is still enough to play game stutter free. jrracingfan has been doing it for quite a while, and many others on this board have been gaming with low-cache cpus with no ill side effects. I have built many budget gamers with low-end cpus from both Intel and AMD for clients, and none of them stuttered either. I would bet large sums of money the OP's problem was not his cpu.

 

[cadaveca]

No, I agree, most likely software-caused, but it was likely due to the overlcock to get the cpu to usable speeds. All it takes is one crash. I don't agree that 2MB INTEL 775 cpus are adequate, however.

Inherent problem with benchmarking apps. Just because an overlcock gets you better scores, doesn't mean everything is gonna work faster...

 

[Wile E]

No, I agree, most likely software-caused, but it was likely due to the overlcock to get the cpu to usable speeds. All it takes is one crash. I don't agree that 2MB INTEL 775 cpus are adequate, however.

Inherent problem with benchmarking apps. Just because an overlcock gets you better scores, doesn't mean everything is gonna work faster...

I don't test client computers with benchmarks. I test them with games. There is no more stuttering with Intel 2MB cpus than any other cpu. They do take a little more clock to reach the same performance, but they don't stutter at all.

 

[cadaveca]

Not directly, no. But forcing a greater workload than they can handle will, as with any cpu. Every time the cpu has to hit the memory through the chipset causes a performance hit.

 

[BababooeyHTJ]

Not directly, no. But forcing a greater workload than they can handle will, as with any cpu. Every time the cpu has to hit the memory through the chipset causes a performance hit.

How so? I've yet to see a bench where my Q9650/P45 isn't on par with an AM2 setup. Maybe a slight hit in latency.

Onboard typically uses cpu for processing, hence the stutter.

It's Oblivion, hence the stutter. Have you ever played that game? It could be due to anything. He could even be talking about the classic Oblivion/FO3 "stutter" that every rig sees weather the user does or not.

 

[ArmoredCavalry]

It's Oblivion, hence the stutter. Have you ever played that game? It could be due to anything. He could even be talking about the classic Oblivion/FO3 "stutter" that every rig sees weather the user does or not.

Yah... Oblivion is the only game that you could spend 3 grand on a rig and still have stutter.

I think it actually ran better on my old laptop than it does on my desktop today....

I've always suspected it is the variations in FPS more than low FPS. You could play at 20 fps and have it smoother than playing at 100-60 fps, because the drops became very noticeable.

I think this is why games like Crysis can be played at lower framerates, because the frame rate is rocks solid with barely any variation, which makes for a smooth game (unlike Oblivion).

This is why I like to see min/max FPS in benchmarks rather than average.

 

[Fourstaff]

Oblivion likes loading many little things, so if you are looking somewhere where there is a lot of details to be rendered, it slows down massively. Makes the game look good though.

Anyway, have the people who asked for help fixed their problems?

Note to self: Keep a clean desktop, only showing wallpaper and more or less nothing else when doing a screenie.

 

[cadaveca]

How so? I've yet to see a bench where my Q9650/P45 isn't on par with an AM2 setup. Maybe a slight hit in latency.

Q9650 has how much more cache? There's a reason it has more...and an E7400 @ 3.0ghz would be like the q9650 @ 2.0ghz. Every 2MB of cache is Core2 cpus = 200mhz in performance. But you also lose an avg 200mb/sec in memory bandwidth by the addition of that extra 2MB of cache. The same loss of memory performance was seen in 512k cpus vs 1mb cpus.

It's Oblivion, hence the stutter. Have you ever played that game? It could be due to anything. He could even be talking about the classic Oblivion/FO3 "stutter" that every rig sees weather the user does or not.

Well, I was speaking speciifcally to the performance increase by disabling sound. I'm being very specific. You are being very general, speaking about the app overall. The reason for Oblivion's very variable framerate is due to what, exactly? And yes, of course I have that game. I own almost every mainstream title Since 1995 on pc. Played probably 95% of them to completion, too.