X79 and/or rampage IV OC'ing thread for those of us still left....

[dalekdukesboy]

I know that problem. I had a bent pin on my LGA2011 and had to take the D14 on and off multiple times due to Ram testing. At the very end I thought of the pins and simply corrected it carefully - Quad Channel then started to work again. Still I don't know how that happened, probably I was too fast deinstalling the i7 3820 I had before. I won't be so careless again, probably I took everything for granted too much. Well - AMD users won't have these problems, it's hard to bent or break pins if you remove a Athlon 64 for example. I never had the remotest problems there with pins.

PS. yes the excessive weight is a problem on LGA2011 with NH-D14 or D15, the cooler has to be taken off to transport the PC, unless you want to risk it. I'm only going as far as to risk it moving the PC a few inches or laying it on the ground, thats it - but I think I would not risk transportation over longer distances and/or in a car - the G forces are simply too much then, on the cooler and mainboard.

Yep that last bit I hear and agree wholeheartedly, I move the case a foot or two to get at something or lay it on its' side to de-install the before mentioned cooler for the umpteenth million time but that's it...Also ironic what you said about bent pins on this same socket that is exactly what was the issue on my first board, even when I got it couple pins looked "off" a bit and when I got through with it and I tried to correct the pins but they had been stressed so much most of them just broke off, hence when I tried to install cpu board didn't post gave me dreaded 00 code and nothing else. Also what is ironic is yep, that is Exactly how I knew I had a problem I couldn't get all 4 sticks of memory to read, best I got was 3 at one point and 2 most other times and that is when I took cpu out of socket for first time in few years and saw the mashed pins and general ugliness of the pattern of the socket showing it wasn't right. Anyway mine was too far gone to bend back so wasn't happy but got a new/used board and thankfully it was in good shape.

 

[Kanan]

So you see, that's why I'm glad the new Zen will be like Phenom etc. - less problems, I think it's way harder to bent the pin on these CPUs, because it's really easy / simple to remove and install.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Ok, new news, I fiddled around with some settings I deemed as not all that important or critical but they seemed to be the difference between pc booting and it not even booting and resetting safe settings in bios and yelling the dreaded words in the bios loading screen akin to roughly, " Your Overclock sucks and isn't even good enough to boot, let me fix that by underclocking everything so at least your dumb ass will get to windows". However I was getting this even at ANY setting even vaguely over 2405 mhz memory and before I got it stable right up to 2450 mhz and got booted into windows with 2500 mhz; so due to this discrepancy I had no idea wtf I did so differently TILL I found the switching frequency settings for cpu and dram, if you set them very high you get better response times from your cpu/memory but bit more heat it says. I set those to top number as well as gave full extreme phase for cpu and dram (another related setting) and couple other related tertiary settings that I again didn't think would make much difference...but it did, was difference between getting back to stable memory overclocks and the rig not booting at all. Still fooling around with the settings but now I figured that out I probably can push on much further with my memory and when I originally at some point changed the settings I didn't realize that is what killed any semblance of stability with my settings.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

With the discovery of the settings I didn't have right I learned a few things, A. Now I can overclock as you see to 2480mhz and probably beyond 2500 and be stable, and B. Figuring out the settings the cpu didn't like also made the 00 error code and reboot issue go away, so the settings weren't quite right but somehow board would just reboot and it even ran stable stress testing in windows but still only because the board somehow was compensating for my bad settings and somehow when it rebooted it worked, not sure how it managed that but regardless now things run better and start better and I'm kinda curious how far I can push the bclock with this cpu and the memory along with it.

 

[Caring1]

Are those Core Temp readings correct? Core #2 looks pretty high compared to the rest.

 

[Kanan]

You should switch off HTT - less voltage needed and higher clocks. At least if you don't need it (gamer's don't).

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Are those Core Temp readings correct? Core #2 looks pretty high compared to the rest.

I'll cut you some slack even though we discussed that core multiple times in this thread. Yes I very much doubt that reading is right, it starts on idle at 64 degrees no matter what voltage you put through it so it's "stuck" high and gets closer to being right when stressed but still is off by several degrees. The cores that show load in low 70's are probably close to being right, however I do wonder if they are bit on low side and yes if you notice I have one other core that is stuck far too low and gives readings that are far too low and useless, but least they don't cause throttling like that 2nd core does and will do once I push it. When I first started using the cpu all the diodes were within a few degrees couple were a bit off but they were all close, then at some point those 2 particular cores went off the chart in two different directions ironically and now are stuck there. Yes I did shut of HTT early on its' use and I got it up to almost 4.7 ghz. Admittedly I am considering doing it again for not sure anything I do benefits from the 6 extra virtual cores.

 

[Kanan]

BTW temp on core #0 of my cpu is clearly higher, you're not alone with this.

#1000 btw

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Yeah I know, I've read and seen plenty of issues with sensors just I wish I could make that one go away, and nice, admittedly wasn't even keeping track of how many inane posts I've had here.

 

[Kanan]

Me too, deactivating HTT helped a bit at least. Reduced voltage to 1.29 now on top of that.

 

[the54thvoid]

BTW temp on core #0 of my cpu is clearly higher, you're not alone with this.

#1000 btw

Feels like I'm interrupting a private conversation

My first core on my 3930 sits almost 10 degrees higher than the coolest. I've done everything except delid and still the same core has the same temp. But it's not an issue.
I've run 4.4 to 4.2 since I had the chip back in Nov/Dec 2011. Still stable. I never got the PCI e 3 'hack' to work but my machine still runs fairly well despite some accidents.

 

[Kanan]

I have a theory that it is the l3 cache or other part of cpu which maybe influences the temperature of the first core.

About that hack:
Just run the .exe with admin in dos prompt, should be active after restart and works well (at least my machine)

 

[dalekdukesboy]

How do you run that .exe with the dos prompt? I hate to sound so unknowing but I know how to run as admin right clicking on it etc but I admittedly am not positive how you get it to run through the dos prompt versus through windows. Nothing private here bud, I know it was a joke especially with the "you're not alone" line which certainly out of context sounds a bit like one of us is on the shrinks couch being counseled. Anyway I hear you on the accidents, obviously I've had a couple with this setup most of which I never had an issue with before. Yes theory is interesting, for you guys it works but not for me it's the stupid 2nd core on mine that is out of whack so I am pretty positive in my case it's just faulty readings simple as that.

 

[cdawall]

Well I got the Xeon equal of a 4820K at work, worth it to swap for my 3820K@4.2? (Heatsink wont allow a higher overclock.)

 

[Kanan]

Yeah probably faulty reading or your cpu is designed differently (being an ES) but I doubt that very much.

That's right - right click and start dos prompt with admin, then switch to the directory the .exe is in and execute it.

@cdawall
I wouldnt swap it, maybe 5% IPC increase, unless you don't need the cpu elsewhere and it's just a free exchange.

 

[cdawall]

I wouldnt swap it, maybe 5% IPC increase, unless you don't need the cpu elsewhere and it's just a free exchange.

It is just sitting in my drawer of CPU's, issue would be if these are bus locked and multi locked it would be clocked a good bit lower which would make it slower. No idea how that works with these.

 

[Kanan]

It is just sitting in my drawer of CPU's, issue would be if these are bus locked and multi locked it would be clocked a good bit lower which would make it slower. No idea how that works with these.

Sorry misunderstood the entry question (thought it's about 4820K). If the bus is locked I wouldn't make the exchange, less clocks. But I'm not sure, no expert on lga2011 xeons.

One thing I can say for sure though is that the 3820 is the better overclocker, because the multi is at least free up to 43x and sandy>ivy. So I guess I would leave it there then.

 

[cdawall]

Sorry misunderstood the entry question (thought it's about 4820K). If the bus is locked I wouldn't make the exchange, less clocks. But I'm not sure, no expert on lga2011 xeons.

One thing I can say for sure though is that the 3820 is the better overclocker, because the multi is at least free up to 43x and sandy>ivy. So I guess I would leave it there then.

That's probably what I'll do, until I acquire a better CPU for it.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Speaking of CPUS I just managed to get my little trusty setup to bench and pass 10 passes of 10 gig memory of intel burntest...at 2490 mhz memory! A very healthy number for Sandy Bridge E, also it shows this CPU and board etc is fine OC'ing the bus

I just realized I was at 2491 here not 2500...my latest attempt was at 2502

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Sorry misunderstood the entry question (thought it's about 4820K). If the bus is locked I wouldn't make the exchange, less clocks. But I'm not sure, no expert on lga2011 xeons.

One thing I can say for sure though is that the 3820 is the better overclocker, because the multi is at least free up to 43x and sandy>ivy. So I guess I would leave it there then.

Not sure the 3820k is the better overclocker, as I said earlier I have seen early on evidence the ivy-bridge e had lousy TIM which despite the die shrink could cause high temps, but much as I love my 3960x ES I'd still jump at a chance to play around with the 4960x version of it just for the few percent better performance clock for clock plus you could get several hundred more mhz on average of speed from your memory. Worst case if you have one that runs hot just de-lid it after some research, be careful and re apply TIM to it or get one someone already did that to (sure you could find one out there at this point) and take it for a spin. But you got it so I'd at the least plunk it in there and give it a go see what it does. I got a 3820k with my new MOBO and I tried it out to test it and make sure it worked plus on the off chance it outperformed my ES, which it didn't it wasn't nearly as strong was only average.

 

[cdawall]

I'm actually playing with a 3960X right now.

 

[Ithanul]

Silicon degradation is a sad thing, I think I never experienced it yet, because I never overclocked CPUs very high for a long time. I'm doing the same again, I could bash that 3960X to 5 GHz or more, probably with a 1.48 or even higher voltage, but why? For 10% higher performance? Isn't really worth it. That's why I "just" clocked it to 4.5 and undervolted it a bit. Best of both worlds imo.

Indeed. Kind of the reason I'm usually lazy about OCing my CPUs since I run them longer than my GPUs.

My poor GPUs on the other hand. I abuse the living crap out of them. But of course I tend to switch them out faster. I usually offset that by buying used GPUs that have not seen much abuse at cheaper prices then what they launched at.

Though, once I get this 3930K up and running. Well, it going to get some abuse, but will run a mild OC on it when it BOINCs.

Can't really wait to get this 5960X up and running. Going to have a whole lot of fun seeing if it can hang with other folder's 5960Xs first before I go with a mild OC for BOINCing. Just need to nab a few more barbs to re do my loop.

On killing hardware. I have killed a OG Titan. Thank goodness it was a EVGA one and still in warranty. And I did not even OC it.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

I'm actually playing with a 3960X right now.

Yeah, that's what I've got just ES vs retail, so far I'm loving it, liked it before but once I realized my board was faulty and now I got quad memory vs dual and I'm learning what settings I need to push it it's doing great! Tight timings so far aren't its forte but for pure megahertz at decent timings seems this cpu has a very good IMC and memory also is clocked way the hell beyond what it was rated for...however that I expected they are micron d9 chips from what I gathered and I read peoples' luck with these modules and they OC'd like mad so I figured I'd have good experiences with them.

Indeed. Kind of the reason I'm usually lazy about OCing my CPUs since I run them longer than my GPUs.

My poor GPUs on the other hand. I abuse the living crap out of them. But of course I tend to switch them out faster. I usually offset that by buying used GPUs that have not seen much abuse at cheaper prices then what they launched at.

Though, once I get this 3930K up and running. Well, it going to get some abuse, but will run a mild OC on it when it BOINCs.

Can't really wait to get this 5960X up and running. Going to have a whole lot of fun seeing if it can hang with other folder's 5960Xs first before I go with a mild OC for BOINCing. Just need to nab a few more barbs to re do my loop.

On killing hardware. I have killed a OG Titan. Thank goodness it was a EVGA one and still in warranty. And I did not even OC it.

Yeah that 5960x should be nice almost as good as it gets at the moment, minus the newer 10 core monsters on 14nm but ridiculously expensive and don't OC that well with that many cores, last review I read 4.1 ghz was about it on air for those...if you can get that 8 core 22nm to 4.5 ghz or more it will perform about the same I'd bet even in multithreaded apps. How much and what did you get with that 5960x setup? I was looking on OCN for deals and I do see potential there, what other places have you had luck? Other than Ebay and here which I know already.

 

[Kanan]

Not sure the 3820k is the better overclocker, as I said earlier I have seen early on evidence the ivy-bridge e had lousy TIM which despite the die shrink could cause high temps, but much as I love my 3960x ES I'd still jump at a chance to play around with the 4960x version of it just for the few percent better performance clock for clock plus you could get several hundred more mhz on average of speed from your memory. Worst case if you have one that runs hot just de-lid it after some research, be careful and re apply TIM to it or get one someone already did that to (sure you could find one out there at this point) and take it for a spin. But you got it so I'd at the least plunk it in there and give it a go see what it does. I got a 3820k with my new MOBO and I tried it out to test it and make sure it worked plus on the off chance it outperformed my ES, which it didn't it wasn't nearly as strong was only average.

3820 (it's non K) compared to 4820K is the worse overclocker because of the multiplier limited to 43 on 3820. He was asking about a Xeon with identical specs like the 4820K though, not the 4820K. So that's why I said the 3820 is probably better.

I don't care much about the 4960X, it's IPC is only 2-5% more, overclocks less and about that Ram overclocks, couldn't care less. Quad Channel + 1866 MHz is more than enough for me. I guess you're doing this for fun. I don't see any use in it. I doubt very much any game is Ram bandwidth bottlenecked using Quad Channel.

http://www.pcgameshardware.de/CPU-Hardware-154106/Tests/Rangliste-Bestenliste-1143392/

-> 4960X vs 3960X - It has more clocks stock but it's only 2% faster, that's very underwhelming. Ivy Bridge imo is irrelevant, if you already own a Sandy. The next thing worth of talking about is Haswell imo.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Oh, sorry missed the non k part, nm that changes whole thing I said. Yes! Did you forget "fun" and overclocking and all of this hardware stuff? Gaming falls under that category too. So by saying that is your reason for not needing 4960x and memory over 1866 etc simply makes my point for me. But yes, I could run this memory at 1600mhz cas 8 (if I can get this board to do that) and it would do all I needed and I'd never know the difference minus benchmarks. But absofuckinglutely I'm doing this for fun! Seems a shame to have a freakin' Rampage board meant for overclocking and memory I bought specifically for it's ability to Overclock like mad...to set my cpu at 2.3 ghz and my memory at 1600 mhz and say sure that's good...sad part is I probably wouldn't even hardly see difference in most of what I do even with cpu at 2.3 ghz with all 6 cores working etc. But without knowing it I think you hit the nail on the head and whole point of whether it's gaming, or researching this stuff and the stats ( as obviously you did) or overclocking it's all for fun and a hobby. I mean, even us posting here about it what real use is that? I agree another platform is worth the look however I'd pick Broadwell-E myself OR I'd wait it out till whatever replaces that as high end and sit on that for a while, as it is even this setup is way above what I need to do anything I want.