X79 and/or rampage IV OC'ing thread for those of us still left....

[Kanan]

Hi I'm back.

I still rock X79 and a 3960X and I'm about to upgrade my GPU to a RX 5700 XT. Now my question is, will my 3960X at 4.5 GHz still be enough to feed the beast or do I need a new cpu, now i can buy the 8 core overclockable Xeon as well, as its "only" on 330€ now. Second question would be, if it's better to buy the Xeon or to go Ryzen next year (will have to save money).

Thanks in advance for any help!

 

[Final_Fighter]

Hi I'm back.

I still rock X79 and a 3960X and I'm about to upgrade my GPU to a RX 5700 XT. Now my question is, will my 3960X at 4.5 GHz still be enough to feed the beast or do I need a new cpu, now i can buy the 8 core overclockable Xeon as well, as its "only" on 330€ now. Second question would be, if it's better to buy the Xeon or to go Ryzen next year (will have to save money).

Thanks in advance for any help!

wait for ddr5 then upgrade. your system is still relevant. it will power the rx5700xt just fine with your cpu at 4.5ghz. if you upgrade now than youd better get the best mainstream platform you can get such as a ryzen 3700x or i9-9900k and ddr43200+.

 

[k_9virus]

Hi I'm back.

I still rock X79 and a 3960X and I'm about to upgrade my GPU to a RX 5700 XT. Now my question is, will my 3960X at 4.5 GHz still be enough to feed the beast or do I need a new cpu, now i can buy the 8 core overclockable Xeon as well, as its "only" on 330€ now. Second question would be, if it's better to buy the Xeon or to go Ryzen next year (will have to save money).

Thanks in advance for any help!

Im stuck with my sabertooth too lol. I recently bought xeon 2640 v2 slightly overclocked so far so good with vega 64 and happy with it..

look what I found will this work on x79? tons of 2011 versions not sure if this works lol

INTEL E7-4860 V2 2.6GHZ/30MB 12-Cores LGA2011 ES CPU QEGJ | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for INTEL E7-4860 V2 2.6GHZ/30MB 12-Cores LGA2011 ES CPU QEGJ at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.com

 

[Kanan]

Im stuck with my sabertooth too lol. I recently bought xeon 2640 v2 slightly overclocked so far so good with vega 64 and happy with it..

look what I found will this work on x79? tons of 2011 versions not sure if this works lol

INTEL E7-4860 V2 2.6GHZ/30MB 12-Cores LGA2011 ES CPU QEGJ | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for INTEL E7-4860 V2 2.6GHZ/30MB 12-Cores LGA2011 ES CPU QEGJ at the best online prices at eBay! Free shipping for many products!

www.ebay.com

Unfortunately no because it is a Haswell CPU based on 2nd gen LGA2011 socket for X99 chipset.
Edit: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...0-24m-cache-2-26-ghz-6-40-gt-s-intel-qpi.html

This is 1st gen hedt stuff totally misread the product name and interpreted as newer CPU arch. Oh intel and their product naming....

Any more opinions on my question? Already appreciated.

 

[k_9virus]

It’s a v2 based on ivy bridge I compared my 3820 and 2640 v2 thru iintel and it’s very similar can’t find any info on it unless someone will actually try lol thanks thou

 

[Kanan]

It’s a v2 based on ivy bridge I compared my 3820 and 2640 v2 thru iintel and it’s very similar can’t find any info on it unless someone will actually try lol thanks thou

I'm talking about the E7 4860 you mentioned, not your personal CPU.

Anyway, I have something to add to my question:

At the moment my CPU is not 100% feeding the GPU at all times, in GTA Online sometimes the GPU usage at 1440p is lower than 99% this means my CPU is already bottle necking with a 980 Ti. This is why I'm asking because the 5700 XT will obviously be much more powerful so the bottlenecking should in theory get worse. At least for GTA 5.

 

[k_9virus]

sorry for the confusion it's a E7 4860 v2 ivy bridge

Intel® Xeon® Processor E7-4860 v2 (30M Cache, 2.60 GHz) Product Specifications

Intel® Xeon® Processor E7-4860 v2 (30M Cache, 2.60 GHz) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

ark.intel.com

 

[agent_x007]

I moded, a moded BIOS for Sabertooth X79

It's 4701 version but it has uCode updates for Spectre/Meltdown, NVMe, ROM updates (iRST w/RAID TRIM), and Bifurcation/Hidden options are visible (topic with BIOS I based this on : LINK).

^ASUS website on left, moded mod one on right
Still not sure why May 2018 uCodes were not updated (it's a work in-progress).

For anyone interested in trying it out, here's download : LINK (BIOS must be updated via BIOS Flashback function).
You can revert to your previous BIOS using the same trick.

Of course I'm NOT responsible for bricked boards/lost data/other circumstances that may occur while/after BIOS update.

 

[CheapMeat]

k_9virus
sorry for the confusion it's a E7 4860 v2 ivy bridge

E7's don't work on X79 but E5's do. Here's the better version and correct one that would work:

Product Specifications

quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

ark.intel.com

 

[Kanan]

I moded, a moded BIOS for Sabertooth X79

It's 4701 version but it has uCode updates for Spectre/Meltdown, NVMe, ROM updates (iRST w/RAID TRIM), and Bifurcation/Hidden options are visible (topic with BIOS I based this on : LINK).

^ASUS website on left, moded mod one on right
Still not sure why May 2018 uCodes were not updated (it's a work in-progress).

For anyone interested in trying it out, here's download : LINK (BIOS must be updated via BIOS Flashback function).
You can revert to your previous BIOS using the same trick.

Of course I'm NOT responsible for bricked boards/lost data/other circumstances that may occur while/after BIOS update.

Does this in hindsight mean that my PC is not protected? Because I'm using a old bios. Or did they patch it via windows

sorry for the confusion it's a E7 4860 v2 ivy bridge

Intel® Xeon® Processor E7-4860 v2 (30M Cache, 2.60 GHz) Product Specifications

Intel® Xeon® Processor E7-4860 v2 (30M Cache, 2.60 GHz) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

ark.intel.com

You would want to buy this one with unlocked multiplier though: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/u...-processor-e5-1680-v2-25m-cache-3-00-ghz.html

 

[agent_x007]

@Kanan Microsoft Windows SHOULD supplement microcode updates outside of BIOS.
HOWEVER those are usually outdated. Latest for my Ivy Bridge E is from March 2019.
You can check what uCode you have in HWiNFO (or AIDA64), here's a screenshot with list of current latest ones :

 

[Aquinus]

I still rock X79 and a 3960X and I'm about to upgrade my GPU to a RX 5700 XT. Now my question is, will my 3960X at 4.5 GHz still be enough to feed the beast or do I need a new cpu, now i can buy the 8 core overclockable Xeon as well, as its "only" on 330€ now. Second question would be, if it's better to buy the Xeon or to go Ryzen next year (will have to save money).

My 3930k still is enough to drive my Vega 64, so you're probably okay.

 

[k_9virus]

hey guys just got a sweet deal for 3960x lol

 

[Peter Lindgren]

Still rocking my 2680v2@3.5Ghz all core turbo. I have also used UBU-tool to update microcodes and ROMs. I got TRIM to work with iRST RAID0 SSDs after upgrading OROM. I also replaced boot pic on my Asus P9X79 with the ROG one just for fun. I have not noticed any degrading performance after upgrading microcodes.

Temps and performance is still great.

 

[agent_x007]

I read that latest SB-e uCode is less impactfull on performance than earlier releases.
What uCode does your 3960X use ?
PS. I managed to update uCodes for ALL CPUs, here's updated 4801 for X79 Sabertooth : LINK.
It doesn't have bifurcation support (if you need/want it, at this point I got it only in a seperate 4701 BIOS with updated uCodes as well).

 

[PolRoger]

Some quick preliminary testing of my new 8 core E5 1680 v2...

I'm also running new Ryzen 3000 series but I'm not ready to give up on my older DDR3 platform(s) just yet.

Edit: Bumped OC up to ~4.4GHz...

 

[dalekdukesboy]

Some quick preliminary testing of my new 8 core E5 1680 v2...

I'm also running new Ryzen 3000 series but I'm not ready to give up on my older DDR3 platform(s) just yet.

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Edit: Bumped OC up to ~4.4GHz...

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Ah, another lovely 1680 v2.
And I'd not give up the DDR3 considering if you got good enough memory to OC and a decent IMC on your CPU you can easily match and exceed what an 8 core Ryzen can do in most applications, especially since Ryzen thus far still doesn't OC very well.

Also where do I get list of microcode dates etc? I ran HWinfo to see my microcode and it's 42D, no idea when that is from but it's obviously right before your 42E I would think .

 

[k_9virus]

nice comparison with our x79 with 9900k

btw not familiar with the regedit that he did any more info on that?

 

[Kanan]

nice comparison with our x79 with 9900k

btw not familiar with the regedit that he did any more info on that?

yea in the description of the vid.

 

[Kanan]

nice comparison with our x79 with 9900k

btw not familiar with the regedit that he did any more info on that?

Now finally took my time and watched the video, this is very reassuring for me, coming to know my old platform and CPU still has some life in it left! 5700 XT probably soon.

 

[Aquinus]

you can easily match and exceed what an 8 core Ryzen can do in most applications

That's what I thought about my 3930k until I saw this review that Phoronix did comparing the 3960x to modern 6c CPUs and the results paint a very stark picture.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=sandy-extreme-2019&num=1

Mind you, this is basically saying that the 8700k and Ryzen 5 3600X are almost 3 times faster than a 3960x. No overclock is going to fill that gap and is a reason why I'm both running at 4.75Ghz right now and considering an upgrade to a 3900x within the next 6 months.

 

[phill]

That's what I thought about my 3930k until I saw this review that Phoronix did comparing the 3960x to modern 6c CPUs and the results paint a very stark picture.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=sandy-extreme-2019&num=1
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Mind you, this is basically saying that the 8700k and Ryzen 5 3600X are almost 3 times faster than a 3960x. No overclock is going to fill that gap and is a reason why I'm both running at 4.75Ghz right now and considering an upgrade to a 3900x within the next 6 months.

Whilst there's going to be a massive difference in some areas and not so much in others, I doubt that most people that have these systems still, would worry if Word or Chrome (examples) would be that much slower doing things.
Gaming, well yes there is bound to be some differences.. Same as heavy multi core work, the newer CPUs will kill the older kit. But surely, isn't that to be expected?

 

[Aquinus]

Chrome (examples) would be that much slower doing things.

Except it is a lot slower with chrome. Selenium is an automation tool that controls the browser for you so you can do things like automated tests against web applications.

This is a breakdown of every test including the browser tests. The red line is the 3960X. There is almost nowhere other than Zstd compression where the 3960x even gets close and these are all 6c/12t chips.

Mind you, I'm speaking as a person with a 3930k.

 

[Lorec]

I recently build a rig to hold me over until I complete custom loop for my main.
I got 3960X and I run it on stock 24/7 for crunching. Seems to give similar results to my R5 2600 in this particular workload.

 

[phill]

Except it is a lot slower with chrome. Selenium is an automation tool that controls the browser for you so you can do things like automated tests against web applications.
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This is a breakdown of every test including the browser tests. The red line is the 3960X. There is almost nowhere other than Zstd compression where the 3960x even gets close and these are all 6c/12t chips.
View attachment 132699

Mind you, I'm speaking as a person with a 3930k.

I see a version difference in the Chrome version (but I doubt it would matter too much) but still... I'm surprised in a way but not in others.. The 3xxx series is probably missing out on a lot of instructions sets that the newer CPUs have so it would explain it to be honest

Again, do you expect something 5 to 6 years old to be the same performance as something 'cutting edge' (shall we say)...

I always heard nothing but good things about the 3930k or 3960X, in ways I should have upgraded to them when they came out rather than sticking with the X58 really lol Am I right in thinking some/most of those can do 5Ghz??