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  1. trog100

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    i have three small slow running case fans and the power supply one running very slow blowing out.. so thats three blowing in two on the rear and one on the side.. all running very quiet.. the artic blows out out course.. it works better than my old XP system with about six fans all running flat out sounding an aircon unit..

    my case runs about 1.5c over room ambient.. praps more luck than judgement i dunno.. and the artic blowing out might help but i dont know by how much.. all i know is the whole lot runs cooler than my old XP system with a fraction of the noise.. ???

    and after about five weeks of being together u can see why i worry about dust.. he he

    [​IMG]

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    Yeah I thought that the Artic was way high:
    http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1576907&CatId=498

    The one I'm getting is the AlCu, but slightly used - worth it? ($15-20)

    Wow thanks for all the pics, they really help me give me an idea of what to expect (Optical I've been folllowing your settings carefully). Oh, and by the way I brought my Mem and Core down just for now till I get a better cooler. Yeah, I scanned for artifacts with stock cooler @ 546/613 and no problems whatsoever.

    Yeah I figured as much on FEAR how it loads, it just bugs me because I go in to rush and hit a lag spike then I'm face to face with 3 enemies and have to slam my slo-mo button just to compensate for the lag that threw me in the open, lol

    I'd really like to show you guys the custom mods I did to my case and such but the filesize is hellabig and I'm hella-lazy at the moment - plus right now I have just 1 Xeon 2.8GHz/800fsb, which I recently found out to be an engineering sample (no EM64T or HT:shadedshu ) which I'm not incredibly happy/proud about, but I did get it for free :ohwell:

    Well I think I'm going to tune down the settings in FEAR, besides, who needs to visually identify the cracks in people's lips and lashes on their eyes anyways? :laugh:

    One more question: what's the best fancontrol software to use?
    I have 3 fans monitored in my BIOS (excluding my cpu cooler), 120mm intake, 120mm exhaust and a 90mm exhaust on my PSU. I have just one more spot available for a fan connector I think I'll reserve for the vf700.
     
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    the zalman comes with molex connector.. unless u modify the connector u wont be able to software control it.. which takes us back to a prior arguement.. he he he

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    hey trog i was just wondering why you have your zalman facing upword? just for better heat dissipation?
     
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    The Zalman facing upward/downward is because of the motherboard's design (i could be wrong) because the the CNPS7000 I have is right side up (the sticker) while the one in my friend's machine is upside down. Of course it would be best if the fan was facing towards the rear of the case then all the air would blow right out.

    Thanks for the pic trog but that pic doesn't show the max temperature your card an achieve. My pic shows me running 'scan for artifacts' for 10mins.

    Used is fine but try to get new if possible, the price margin isn't that big. Just make sure to check for scratches at the base where it goes in contact with the gpu, bent fins and other cosmetic damages.

    613 memory is really good OC on your card. Mine goes unstable once I pass 607 and dies out (monitor shuts off) at 615.
     
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    New Problems - Overheat

    Alright, maybe this tool is taking it out on my card but some bad things I've noticed...

    1) My idle temp is now 2 - 4C higher (was 35-37, is now a steady 40) (max temp remains the same)
    2) My marks in 3DMark06 have dropped about 70pts on my card

    I dropped my OC settings to 522/576
    My fan settings are:

    abv 0 - 14
    abv 47 - 55
    abv 57 - 100

    Am I doing something wrong? Is my card dying?
    Also one more thing, is that I have ATItool load every startup on the specified saved profile. Is that good?
     
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    trying to get most of X850XT

    Hi all,

    I have just began to check limits of Sapphire X850XT I bought. I read this toppic AFTER I got my Ati Silencer 5 for it - and as well after reading this AS5 got connected directly to 12V power cables, and the yellow cable is plugged to the mobo's "system fan 2" so I can check the fan speed (but I cannot change it) its about 2500 rpms all the time (and it's not very loud - there are 3 12x12cm and one 8x8 fans in the case so one more on the GPU... :)) BUT original ATI fan was terrible...


    About my test:

    Ati Tool max mem and gpu test crashed (without any artifacts) at gpu 612 and mem 648 MHz, temperature (with Ati Silencer at full throtle all the time) was 74-75.

    Right now I'm testing if it will be stable for my card to run @ 590/620 (I know, I know - I'm crazy :)) and I will also make 3DMark benchmarks. The temperature is 73-74 with those settings and it wors stable for about 20 min now. (For final OC I think I will try to get to 68-70 degrees).

    Then I think it will be fun to make those test using CCC (as someone on the forum wrote that he can get better benchmarks with the same OC using CCC rather then Ati Tool).

    All the best to you, going back to tests :) (next stop will be CPU OCing - Athlon X2 3800+ - hope it will be fun as well :)

    noichigo
     
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    Are you still using the stock cooler? It's normal that your card is around 40~43C on idle with OC. Mine was 43/41 idle when I oc'ed with my stock cooler. Honestly all you need to do is OC to PE speeds and thats good enough already. Anything higher is just for benchmarking and your not going to notice any difference in gaming performance.

    In the end numbers don't matter, it's how well the game plays.
     
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    Still using stock (loud-ass) cooler. but yeah, what are the freqs for PE speeds?
    Man I need a cooler upgrade! It's hard to indiscriminately play games at 2am with low volume :p
     
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    PE speeds are 540/590 . Stock cooler may be loud, but it can be used. set fan speeds to about 43% under load (remember to check to box "dont change PVM frequency...it wont damage your card, but it will silence it just a bit) and 5% idle...that should fix it. Under load is defined as 40*C or higher...my temps are 32*C idle no more then 60*C under load (generally between 50 and 60*C, depending on the game)
     
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    Thanks a LOT for the handy tip!
    So, for [abv 47C] I'll have it set to 47% rather than 55%.
    I also realize this is the first time my GPU has ever been "pushed"; also playing more demanding games like FEAR at high settings, and benchmarking. I can't emphasize how becomingly apparent it is that I need a cooling solution, lol.

    Still trying to get an affordable VF700 (maybe with an LED would be another nice accent) - I decided not to get the used cooler offer; I mean where am I going to get reapplicable adhesive pads for the ram heatsinks?

    Anyways, this has been nothing short of an educating and very fun experience :)
    I want to thank all for the posts and help!! I'm recommending this forum to all local enthusiasts
     
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    I'm just finishing Sapphire X850XT testing with following settings:

    520|540
    540|590
    550|590
    560|590
    570|600
    590|600

    The highest OC went through the 2 hour artifact scan and another 1 hour 3d test without any errors.
    I have also got to 624 MHz GPU STABLE with the Catalyst Control Center (mem 548) AND ... it scored almost same as 590|600 (so OCing memory IS important too), soon (in about 2 hours) I will post results all above settings with:

    1. bundled drivers + ATI Tool
    2. Catalyst 6.2 drivers + CCC
    3. Catalyst 6.2 drivers + ATI Tool

    Hope you will like it :)

    btw - I took out my card and reassembled Arctic Silencer 5 to get out the thermal paste out and gave it very thin film of arctic silver 5 - temp went down 4-5 degrees - now load with ati tool @ 590 MHz GPU gives it 70 degrees.

    all the best
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    you want reaplliable GPU RAMsinks? Thermaltake has the answer for you! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835116012 just remember to be EXTREMELY CAREFUL how you mount them, and mount them before seating the main cooler. you will COOK your graphics memory if you're not careful with putting them on.
     
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    well its quite simple really, DONT play with anything your not 100% sure about! but if you insist on attempting things still, the first step should always be to at very least take your stock cooler off, clean off the cheap thermal crap used and apply some arctic silver ceramique and put the cooler back on.

    in ati tool, start with the core, bumping it in 15MHz steps, applying and testing with "scan for artifacts" option, when yellow bits start to appear, back off 5mhz at a time until they go away, same procedure applies when ocing the mem.
     
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    sadly, its like that with ALL his games. these past 4 pages are all about attempts to get the poor guy's card working. one more thing...do you have the 2-slot cooler on your X850XT or the 1 slot cooler? both are loud, but the 1 slot cooler I know nothing about, and setting your fan speeds to 43% under load could nuke your card because I dont know how that cooler performs. You dont rush into battle with a plan you used from a completely different battle lol.
     
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    OCing results before and afters Catalyst 6.2

    Hi all,

    these are my results for X850XT tested with 3DMark 05 Free Edition

    before installing Catalyst 6.2 (using only bundled drivers), OCed with ATI Tool .024 beta 13

    NORM 520|540: 5866
    OC 540|590: 6172
    OC 560|590: 6315
    OC 570|600: 6415
    OC 590|600: 6580

    I didnt know then that I wont be able to go up to 600 MHz for memory using Catalyst Control Centre (CCC), next bencharks are made for mem @ 590 MHz max

    after instaling C6.2, OCing with CCC:

    CC6.2 NORM: 6060
    CCC 540|590: 6367
    CCC 560|590: 6497
    CCC 570|590: 6546
    CCC 580|590: 6614
    CCC 590|590: 6690
    CCC 624|548: 6640 (this is automatic setting of CCC for max OC)


    after installing C6.2 but OCing with ATI Tool:

    ATI CC6.2 NORM: 6031
    ATI CC6.2 540|590: 6347
    ATI CC6.2 560|590: 6472
    ATI CC6.2 570|590: 6542
    ATI CC6.2 580|590: 6609
    ATI CC6.2 590|590: 6667

    As these results are rather similar using CCC and Ati Tool so it's most about the drivers up to date.

    "That's all folks" ;) hope it can be helpful to someone :

    all the best
    noichigo
     
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    Stepping forward - Thermal paste

    Right, I have the 2-slot cooler. It's big, it's loud and yeah I'm loosing 1 PCI-X (64-bit) slot because of it :p. A while ago I managed to buy this thermal paste off eBay, and it claims to be better than arctic silver and ceramique. I don't have it with me but I can tell you it's a very light grey compund, not metallic. I'm really weary about taking the X850XT apart and applying the compound (like how thick to apply it, etc).

    Here's a link to directly where I got it:
    http://cgi.ebay.ca/SUPERCOOLING-CPU...854594202QQcategoryZ80144QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

    Sorry, I meant to mention any reference I've provided in regards to 3dMark is related to the newest version 3dMark 06 - The marking system is VERY different I see now.

    I am 100% about everything now, so the situation has changed dramatically since when I first came to this forum and made my initial post.

    ...maybe today I'll take the stock cooler off and apply the new paste after I get one more reply on proper ways to apply it, hehe. I mean if it will really make a difference, then sure I'll do it without minding I'll have to do it yet again when I get a new cooler. I have to put in a wireless PCI card today anyways ;)
     
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    thermal paste isnt a very good heat conductor.. not as good as direct contact between the two parts u which to pass heat thru.. its job is just to allow for air gaps (air being an even worse conductor) that are present due to uneven or machine finished surfaces..

    basically u dont want to apply any more of the stuff than u have to.. apply a very small amount.. press the two surfaces together.. see if a thin smear of paste covers the two surfaces.. try doing it again till it dosnt quite cover the two surfaces..

    just enough but not too much.. the thicker the paste the harder it is to not put too much on.. it should just be enough to fill any air gaps.. but no more..

    oh and use 2005 for card scores.. it means more to more folks than the other piece of rubbish..

    trog

    ps.. and its nice to see i am okay with old cat 5.11 no ccc drivers.. my X850 beats all those scores at 540/600..
     
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    I think its hilarious how us overclockers treat our systems...we push our systems to their limits, go past a bit and really hope there wasn't any permanent damage. we promise ourselves that we won't overclock again...and then we fix the problem. our response? "how high can I push it THIS time?" :p
     
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    Pasted

    Alright so I used some of that paste.
    - both surfaces scrubbed of existent thermal grease
    - new thermal grease applied
    - VGA card reassembled

    Here are the results:
    The Good
    On the initial run (before running scan for artifacts) I found my idle temp was actually 5-6C cooler!

    The Bad
    After running "Scan For Artifacts" I found my max temp to be a whopping 7C hotter!!!:banghead:

    The Ugly
    My idle temp now sits at an indifferent 39C (maybe 1-2C cooler). So I assume I didn't use enough thermal paste or I'm not too sure at all. I did apply a thin coat...quite thin but I saw no light between the contacts

    ....soooooo what do you guys think? Am I going to have to reapply a thicker coat?
     
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    no, that means that either that cooler is a crock or that thermal paste is a fraud lol. hey, at least its not crashing...oh, and I need to tell you my X850XT OC...594/555 BY ATI DRIVERS :D
     
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    I think I'll take it apart and redo it

    Maybe I wound the retention screws a little too tight

    But wicked thanks for the advice on the cooler at 43%...it sounds nicer :)
     
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    "I think I'll take it apart and redo it"

    yes.. but thats the problem with the super efficient just enough.. its a lot harder to arrive at than the not so efficient far too much.. he he he..

    the manufactuers tend to err on the too much side.. its the safer bet.. which is where the gain comes from by doing it yourself.. have several goes if u have to..

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    Alright I reapplied the compound, this time a little thicker and I didn't screw the retention screws in so tightly onto the GPU.

    EXACT same results.

    I'm absolutely furious and have sent an email to the seller of this compound, "demanding" a full refund. (however it did bring my idle temps down...whoopty-doo)

    I don't think it'll get any better than this so I have no choice but to get a VF700 asap!

    Since my max temps now are around 68~69C, would you recommend running any of my high-demand games like FEAR and the such? I thought I may lay off those games and stick with just CounterStrike in the meantime.
     
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    yes those temps wont do any harm at all.. buy a better cooler if it makes u happy.. but u will be okay till u get it.. he he he

    70c really isnt to hot for a grfx card.. some come passive cooled and run up to 90c.. and with the makers blessing..

    trog
     
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