Xeon Owners Club

[er557]

I know the warm and fuzzy feeling you get in your belly, looking at dual socket info apps...

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Yet I doubt the 1366 xeons might be able to max out titan v or even 1080 sli, i.e. they may be ok now but certainly not future proof, one might need to upgrade sooner or later. And today's trend toward dx12 and multi core aware gaming, six cores isn't HEDT anymore. Certainly skylake-e and threadripper changed the scene

Well properly OC X58 Xeon is still somewhere close to the (stocked)Ryzen single core performance......so it´s fine even for High-End GPU like 1080 TI of course it will "bottleneck" a bit(probably 5-10%)compared to the 8700K or 7700K but thats still good enough for many years to come.......

 

[er557]

or at least till the used and battered capacitors on the motherboards from 2009 will give way...

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yet I doubt the 1366 xeons might be able to max out titan v or even 1080 sli, i.e. they may be ok now but certainly not future proof, one might need to upgrade sooner or later. And today's trend toward dx12 and multi core aware gaming, six cores isn't HEDT anymore. Certainly skylake-e and threadripper changed the scene

SLI isn't really in play here, given the motherboard natr0n bought. A 1080 is getting to the bottle-necking point even on more modern systems with some games, but again he's likely not matching it up with a 1080. When I decide on a board for my Xeon's, my old gtx770 is going in that system, unless I turn it into my main system. Been thinking of selling my 5820k.. As for the TitanV, it's a non-runner as it is not a gaming card. NVidia is flat out stated that it isn't focused on gaming with that product. It really doesn't even benchmark all that well for the price. Who would buy a $3000+ video card to stick it on an older dual 1366 system? A 1070 or 1080? Ok, that's doable. And when it comes to gaming, 6 cores is still competitive. With dual 6 core's, he going to have a good system for at least 24 months. That is excellent bang for buck in anyone's book.

or at least till the used and battered capacitors on the motherboards from 2009 will give way...

natr0n posted what board he's getting in post #3423. It's Gigabyte board with all solid-state caps, no electrolytics. Those caps will likely out-live everyone in this discussion.

@natr0n
What video card are you going with and what's the cooling solution you're going with?

 

[natr0n]

Some of us focus on fun and being positive. If you think negative you will attract problems.

I have boards from 2006 still running mint with no issues. Swapping caps isn't hard if need be.

 

[er557]

I also might sell my 5820k, though being quite dated I dont know it's value. BTW, I also keep an x58 system with i7 965xe, running gtx 780 ti sli, in tandem with my main system, for compatiblity to games that dont run on xeons or as a backup system.

 

[natr0n]

SLI isn't really in play here, given the motherboard natr0n bought. A 1080 is getting to the bottle-necking point even on more modern systems with some games, but again he's likely not matching it up with a 1080. When I decide on a board for my Xeon's, my old gtx770 is going in that system, unless I turn it into my main system. Been thinking of selling my 5820k.. As for the TitanV, it's a non-runner as it is not a gaming card. NVidia is flat out stated that it isn't focused on gaming with that product. It really doesn't even benchmark all that well for the price. Who would buy a $3000+ video card to stick it on an older dual 1366 system? A 1070 or 1080? Ok, that's doable. And when it comes to gaming, 6 cores is still competitive. With dual 6 core's, he going to have a good system for at least 24 months. That is excellent bang for buck in anyone's book.

natr0n posted what board he's getting in post #3423. It's Gigabyte board with all solid-state caps, no electrolytics. Those caps will likely out-live everyone in this discussion.

@natr0n
What video card are you going with and what's the cooling solution you're going with?

I will reuse my 7970 for now. Will get some fancy nvidia card soon. As for cooling still looking. Want something nickel platted for sure though.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835856026
The board does come with heatsinks which I can mount some fans to test.

 

[lexluthermiester]

for compatibility to games that don't run on xeons

What games are you referring to? I haven't experienced any that won't run on mine, but then again my library is made up of a limit selection. But even the old socket 771 Xeons all ran great.

Good grief, I was just reminded of my very first Xeon system. Could only afford one CPU for it though, which was ok cause I didn't want to run NT. It was a P3Xeon 600 w/1024k L2 OC'd to 672mhz on an Asus XG-DLS Slot 2 board. That was a gaming monster for the time. Never had any gaming problems on that system either.

I will reuse my 7970 for now. Will get some fancy nvidia card soon. As for cooling still looking. Want something nickel platted for sure though.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835856026
The board does come with heatsinks which I can mount some fans to test.

That's a good card! Also good selection of heatsinks for those X5675's. I have a pair of CoolerMaster Geminii S524's ( http://www.coolermaster.com/cooling/cpu-air-cooler/geminii-s524/ ) that I'm thinking of pairing up with mine. Since I already have an X5680, gonna get another instead of using the X5650's.

EDIT; Thinking of going with a version of that board you linked that is without the SAS controller, GA-7TESM1( http://b2b.gigabyte.com/Server-Motherboard/GA-7TESM1-rev-10#ov ), as I have no intention of using SAS drives.

 

[phill]

First of all don't write the word AMD besides Intel or The other way around it sounds horrible.

That word it is forbidden in this Thread

I'm not CPU ist so I don't mind either!! lol

But still, I do agree with the thread so far that the X58 is still a chipset to be reckoned with.. The performance isn't that bad for the age of the CPU/chipset. I do however believe that anything Sandy Bridge or above is probably a lot better for performance/efficiency A 920 @ 4.5Ghz is about the same performance in a few gaming benchmarks I did as a stock clocked 4770k.. But I'm thinking it'll use a little bit less power...

I'm still trying to find a Sandy Bridge dual CPU setup, be it rack based or just as a workstation/desktop rig.. I'd like to have a play with the hardware and do the usual power tests and what not...

 

[er557]

@lexluthermiester : far cry 4, far cry primal, far cry 3, far cry 3 blood dragon; all of those for starters crash when they see more than 12 threads, that by itself is enough reason to maintain the backup system, if you dont want to select only four cpus in msconfig and reboot each time. Some other games are easily fixed by running with 8 affinity or some other affinity via right click shortcut.

 

[lexluthermiester]

@lexluthermiester : far cry 4, far cry primal, far cry 3, far cry 3 blood dragon; all of those for starters crash when they see more than 12 threads, that by itself is enough reason to maintain the backup system, if you dont want to select only four cpus in msconfig and reboot each time. Some other games are easily fixed by running with 8 affinity or some other affinity via right click shortcut.

Ah ok. Gonna have to try one of those and see if there might be a fix. At least Blood Dragon. Been wanting to play that one. Not interested in the others.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

In case you are interested how latest controversial security patch can impact yours beloved X58 Xeons check this video:

 

[natr0n]

Need to get a proper PSU. Other than that everything works well.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

In case you are interested how latest controversial security patch can have on yours beloved X58 Xeons check this video:

I have no concerns on performance but that guy in the vid wrote off his own tests with the os wipe imho and should have tried prepatch on another fresh install, a fresh install makes it's own difference no??

 

[lexluthermiester]

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Need to get a proper PSU. Other than that everything works well.

This is the PSU that I've been giving serious consideration to.
https://www.amazon.com/ROSEWILL-Gaming-Certified-Control-Warranty/dp/B00N2KAOW4
It has both of the 8pin EPS power connectors needed, has more than enough wattage to power both those CPU's and any video card you give it. With the X5675's being lower power requirement parts, you could get away with the 750W model at $75, but it seems better to have more power headroom.

 

[Edwired]

It mad how the intel is supposed to be secured in software and hardware but knowing the outbreak of the hack affecting the performance between 5 to 30 percent. My question is how far back of the processors list since 478 socket to now is affected is what i like to hear since they stated intel processors dated 10 years back is affected but what list of cpu has this problem?

 

[Zyll Goliat]

It mad how the intel is supposed to be secured in software and hardware but knowing the outbreak of the hack affecting the performance between 5 to 30 percent. My question is how far back of the processors list since 478 socket to now is affected is what i like to hear since they stated intel processors dated 10 years back is affected but what list of cpu has this problem?

As I know it can affect Intel processors manufactured since 1995, excluding the company’s Itanium server chips and Atom processors before 2013...

 

[agent_x007]

It mad how the intel is supposed to be secured in software and hardware but knowing the outbreak of the hack affecting the performance between 5 to 30 percent. My question is how far back of the processors list since 478 socket to now is affected is what i like to hear since they stated intel processors dated 10 years back is affected but what list of cpu has this problem?

Spectre (all variations combined) : All Out of Order CPUs.
Meltdown* : All Core i series CPUs from 45nm and newer.

*LGA 775 and older are "OK" (probably). Source - LINK (FAQ : Show more, second from bottom)
^However it is NOT confirmed (they simply aren't listed).

 

[jaggerwild]

Nice setup Natron!
You gonna use it for daily or you making a miner or?

 

[lexluthermiester]

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[natr0n]

Nice setup Natron!
You gonna use it for daily or you making a miner or?

Daily

 

[FireFox]

Hey folks, just saw the following and thought you might enjoy.

His channel is full of fun stuff, so give him a like and sub if you enjoy it.

Time ago i had a 2670

 

[lexluthermiester]

Time ago i had a 2670

Those are damn good chips. Why'd you get rid of it?

 

[FireFox]

Those are damn good chips. Why'd you get rid of it?

Not overclockable as the X56xx serie

 

[cmoneytheman]

So i gota got monster 3930k 3 years ago but I just bought a 2660 v2 cores yesterday will i have any game trouble people always say single threaded games run bad on xeons my gpu is 1080