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#26
from the GSkill Rep on Tom's-

If you purchase performance
memory, it allows the motherboard to use the performance values of the memory. The JEDEC memory standard is DDR3-1600 CL11, so when you have memory better than this, an additional profile is added to the memory known as Extreme Memory Profile (XMP). When the feature is enabled in your motherboard BIOS/EFI, the motherboard utilizes this profile from the embedded XMP Profile in the RAM. As a result, you don't have to manually input settings for the memory, everything is ready to go as long as your enable XMP. Enabling XMP allows the motherboard to automatically configure DRAM frequency, timings, and voltage according the the RAM's rated specifications.

If you purchased performance memory, why not use it to it's full potential. As others have mentioned, it may be an unnoticeable difference during normal usage, but you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between DDR2 and DDR3 while surfing the internet and doing normal stuff anyway. Point is, the performance will be there when you need it, whether it is significant to the human eye or not. Faster
is faster.


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#27
H90 is good so long as you can find 140mm fans with good static pressure and there are a lack of those, same goes for any AIO that requires 1-4 140mm fans.

If your case can support a 280mm rad - id just go all out and grab the H110. you can run the fans at a lower speed to get decent results so its not much of an issue...

I would go with a H100i or something with my own system but unfortunately i have the first gen Define XL which didnt really give a lot of consideration for water cooling unless you were gonna take a dremel tool to it.
Yeah there arent many choices.. I own H90 and found few candidates


- Akasa Viper - 3.12mm h2o (i have this atm in P|P, not the quietest though..)
- Akasa Apache - 2.74mm
- Bitfenix Spectre PRO PWM - 2.8mm
 

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#28
Akasa's stats always tend to be quite exaggerated. With Bitfenix im not sure, but i have heard stories about the motor on the spectre fans literally burning out.

::EDIT::

Aerocool fans tend to be quite exaggerated too for that matter
 
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extreme memory profile allows oc memory speeds at stock cpu. Haven't done much on oc. 4.6GHZ at 1.14v is the most I've done. Too busy gaming.
 
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#30
I wouldn't bother with memory over 1866MHz... And considering your budget, you are actually going to have a hard time fitting a decent board (for OCing), i7, 770, and 16GB of RAM.

As a general rule of thumb I avoid CAS10 and 1.6v+ 1600MHz kits, the quality of the chips of those seems to be questionable at times. I usually go 1600C9 or 1866C9/10 depending on the prices.

As for a CPU cooler, again your budget is pretty restrictive. The H55 seems to be pretty decent, especially considering you can get it for under 50 quid. And with it you get an extra fan.
 
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please help i plan buying a laptop with configuration amd quad core 1.5ghz with 2 mb cache with 512md dedicated graphics and amd radeon hd 83330 graphics can i able to play warz,gta4 and deadisland
 
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please help i plan buying a laptop with configuration amd quad core 1.5ghz with 2 mb cache with 512md dedicated graphics and amd radeon hd 83330 graphics can i able to play warz,gta4 and deadisland
Play yes, smooth no (maybe yes in ultra low quality setting). It's a very weak laptop.
Not to mention GTA4 isn't very optimized for PC and Dead Island isn't quite low spec friendly too.
 

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please help i plan buying a laptop with configuration amd quad core 1.5ghz with 2 mb cache with 512md dedicated graphics and amd radeon hd 83330 graphics can i able to play warz,gta4 and deadisland
You need to start your own thread so as not to detract from members helping the OP with his questions.
 
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#34
I wouldn't bother with memory over 1866MHz... And considering your budget, you are actually going to have a hard time fitting a decent board (for OCing), i7, 770, and 16GB of RAM.

As a general rule of thumb I avoid CAS10 and 1.6v+ 1600MHz kits, the quality of the chips of those seems to be questionable at times. I usually go 1600C9 or 1866C9/10 depending on the prices.

As for a CPU cooler, again your budget is pretty restrictive. The H55 seems to be pretty decent, especially considering you can get it for under 50 quid. And with it you get an extra fan.
I don't really wanna spend a lot on AIO, I'd rather get a nice heatsink that performs the same as the H50/55 but is much quieter. The only ones that are really good are the 240mm/280mm ones which are pretty expensive. I'm going to get the cheapest RAM kit and they tend to be 1600mhz. What is a board that you would say is good for overclocking? I've edited my part list and removed the SSD (I'll pick that up in a month or two after the main build, or get it as a birthday present) so this is what it looks like now
 
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#35
I think the MSi you have in there will probably do fine , but I was thinking some thing along the lines of a Z97-A, but I just checked the prices and it seems to be a lot higher among the other boards in the UK (when compared to the US). For RAM I'd go with this. Other than that, what you have looks pretty good. You might want to add another fan on that case.
 
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#36
I think the MSi you have in there will probably do fine , but I was thinking some thing along the lines of a Z97-A, but I just checked the prices and it seems to be a lot higher among the other boards in the UK (when compared to the US). For RAM I'd go with this. Other than that, what you have looks pretty good. You might want to add another fan on that case.
How come, besides the speed increase? Would 1600 not be enough, or are the more expensive ones more reliable? Also a case fan will probably come after the main build if I feel I need it
 
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#37
1600MHz kits with CAS10 are likely less reliable than CAS9. At this point CAS9 kits are the "baseline" for quality. That 1866 MHz kit runs at CAS10 so the quality of the chips is around the same as (if not a tad better than) a 1600MHz CAS9 kit.
 
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1600MHz kits with CAS10 are likely less reliable than CAS9. At this point CAS9 kits are the "baseline" for quality. That 1866 MHz kit runs at CAS10 so the quality of the chips is around the same as (if not a tad better than) a 1600MHz CAS9 kit.
noted! Would a higher CAS necessarily mean more reliable?
 
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noted! Would a higher CAS necessarily mean more reliable?
The way that RAM speed works is that you want high frequency speeds but low CAS timings. To work out RAM speed in nanoseconds, there is a rough formula: speed = (CAS timings / RAM frequency) * 1000. So lower CAS timings and higher frequencies mean much faster performing RAM. But of course, there are cases in which the change in RAM speed is so small, you would barely notice it in real life applications.

Basically, CAS timings don't have (much) affect on RAM reliability. That's more a manufacturer-based thing.

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I wouldn't bother with memory over 1866MHz... And considering your budget, you are actually going to have a hard time fitting a decent board (for OCing), i7, 770, and 16GB of RAM.

As a general rule of thumb I avoid CAS10 and 1.6v+ 1600MHz kits, the quality of the chips of those seems to be questionable at times. I usually go 1600C9 or 1866C9/10 depending on the prices.

As for a CPU cooler, again your budget is pretty restrictive. The H55 seems to be pretty decent, especially considering you can get it for under 50 quid. And with it you get an extra fan.
http://wccftech.com/haswell-works-high-speed-ram-benchmarks-show-ddr31600-mhz/
http://www.corsair.com/en-us/blog/2014/march/haswellrealworld

Haswell is a different animal than ivy bridge. Seeing as the cost difference between 2400MHZ cas 10 and 1600MHZ cas 9 is almost non existent there is no reason to saddle your rig with cheap or old ram.
 
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#42
This looks good
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-memory-khx24c11t3k216x

Obviously there's the concern about clearance with these, but I'm still looking at that getting either a refurbished AIO. If not the Scythe Ashura definitely has good RAM clearance

 

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The Noctua NH-U14S has pretty good clearance ;)

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I'd +1 that cooler if it was cheaper.
 
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#45
you can cherry pick all you want, the reality is cost per gig is much closer than that. The trident X's are renowned for their overclocking capabilities and you pay a premium for that The much cheaper Ares, snipers, and Ripjaws from Gskill are less. At the same time both microcenter and newegg have a sale on that set of crucial. Being the OP's in the UK that doesn't help him one bit. That 1866 set looks to be the exact same kit as the 2400MHZ snipers here http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231673

one is factory clocked for MHZ, the other for latency. Same memory kit overall.

The fact that it's already set one way or another isn't a deterrent at clocking it whichever way you prefer. It does dictate what the XMP will be set as though.
 
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I've decided on the Kingston Beast 2400Mhz set, but I might get clearance issues if I use a heatsink cooler like the dark rock where the fan protrudes close the the 3rd slot


Would I be safe if I took the heatsink off the RAM kit? Does RAM overheat?
 
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Would probably void the Warranty if anything.

Unless you went for really fast or high voltage kits I doubt you will have thermal issues.
 
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Would probably void the Warranty if anything.

Unless you went for really fast or high voltage kits I doubt you will have thermal issues.
cool just thinking if I ever needed a 3rd and 4th pair of sticks they couldn't fit without taking the heatsink off
looks like there's clearance for about 21mm high RAM sticks according to this drawing
 
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#49
You might be able to move the fans a bit upwards on the heatsink. The Hyper 212 Evo can do that, but I don't know about the bequiets
 
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#50
You might be able to move the fans a bit upwards on the heatsink. The Hyper 212 Evo can do that, but I don't know about the bequiets
Clearance for tall memory sticks is a no-go once the fan is attached. With all four DIMM slots populated, the Dark Rock 3 has no room for the likes of Corsair's Dominator Platinums or anything larger than standard-height memory, although the fan can be raised a bit to accommodate the likes of GSKill's Ripjaw Z if the case allows it.
according to the TPU review, so you might be right Gorbaz!