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Yet Another Speculative Malfunction: Intel Reveals New Side-Channel Attack, Advises Disabling Hyper-Threading Below 8th, 9th Gen CPUs

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AMD seems to at least be partially affected. No patches applied yet on Windows 10.
Edit: Updating Windows today made no difference the list of vulnerabilities...

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MDS Issues are in the last section - Micro-architectural Data Sampling. Ryzen is not affected according to the tool.
The others are older Spectre-class problems which do affect Ryzen as well.
 
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FAQ:

1) How did you test it on all this hardware?



2) How did you find out the sources of the leaks initially?

 
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I'm still wondering why it's called a Speculative Malfunction, that implies something broke and it no longer works as it previously did, instead of admitting the flaw was already there.
 
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Zen 2 is no holy grail. Here's my 2700X. I have to say that i have'nt updated W10 in months since install.
I checked mine and similar to yours.
 
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AMD released an official statement, and their CPUs arn't affected.
 
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And because of another major vulnerability, i7s are becoming i5s. Imho, many servers and data centers will soon change to Zen cpus without 2nd thoughts with all those security problems.
A buncha datacenters announced Epyc systems. Interested in that myself. Wating for a decently priced server with that.
 

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This update includes quality improvements. Key changes include:

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On my xeon server I disabled all caching/prefeching and gained performance. So no idea where you got that info.
For gaming it was true that HT disabled (and caching) actually gained performance. I think it no longer applies to Win 10, but never actually measured it (might test on FC5 :D).

I'm still wondering why it's called a Speculative Malfunction, that implies something broke and it no longer works as it previously did, instead of admitting the flaw was already there.
Cause its based on prediction mechanism, which gave Intel CPU that "edge" over AMD. Prediction is sorta speculative, isnt it? :D Its just a guess (naming, not how it works).
 

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I've long given up on expecting basic editorial standards from TPU.
To be fair no one has editors or proofreaders these days. Or know how to spell "hippothetical".
 

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Yeah after all of the constant Security Vulnerabilities... you decided to buy Intel again. What a "smart" decision...
AMD isn't going to be immune to everything at this point they are just having massive issues with Intel for this. Unfortunately bad press builds more bad press and more reasons for people to hunt for more failures. It is interesting how many of these are being addressed by M$ and as mere software fixes. This begs curiosity that yet the CPU has a vulnerability, but so does the OS. Each and every one of the issues thus far has been a hole in the OS and a hole in the CPU security. Relying on hardware level security for every single threat is an ignorant view of the world, if that was the case software level things like antivirus's shouldn't even exist.
 
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AMD isn't going to be immune to everything at this point they are just having massive issues with Intel for this.
Intel's architecture is what? Ten years old? Ten years worth of possible mistakes. Meanwhile AMD has one thing on its side, the Zen architecture is new; they've not had the time to make the same mistakes Intel made.

I've been reading up on this as of late and all of the public relations news that's been released about this all has one thing in common... They're all too afraid to mention the I-word aka Intel. They all say "we will work with effected hardware manufacturers" but they don't say Intel.

If I were a marketing person at AMD I would be putting out ads that read like this... "Buy AMD today. We don't have those vulnerabilities that those other guys have. You know who they are."
 
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Intel's architecture is what? Ten years old? Ten years worth of possible mistakes. Meanwhile AMD has one thing on its side, the Zen architecture is new; they've not had the time to make the same mistakes Intel made.
It is worth reading the Spectre/Meltdown documents and references to earlier research that led to this. Research into speculative execution issues has been going on for decade or more. This was not a sudden discovery but a series of small discoveries over many years. Processor parts involved have largely stayed the same throughout the entire Core lifetime. Intel generally has pretty decent detailed documentation of the functionality of most things as well.

It is possible and not that unlikely that AMD while avoiding mistakes currently plaguing Intel has made different mistakes. Finding stuff like this takes years worth of research even in a well-known architecture.
 
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Processor parts involved have largely stayed the same throughout the entire Core lifetime.
Yeah, and because the architecture is that old all of the skeletons are coming out of the closet. Ten years of the same stuff, ten years of mistakes, ten years of cutting corners all in the name of profit.
It is possible and not that unlikely that AMD while avoiding mistakes currently plaguing Intel has made different mistakes.
Oh, I'm sure that AMD has issues as well but considering that the Zen architecture is newer and based upon more modern ways of thinking fixes might not erode quite so badly into the performance of said chips.
 
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You know at some point ( like today) it s getting really difficult to believe these vulnerabilities were true errors and not a intentional design feature.
 
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You know at some point ( like today) it s getting really difficult to believe these vulnerabilities were true errors and not a intentional design feature.
I'm leaning more towards the latter in the sense that Intel knew that it could blow up in their faces but they did it anyways.
 
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Yeah, and because the architecture is that old all of the skeletons are coming out of the closet. Ten years of the same stuff, ten years of mistakes, ten years of cutting corners all in the name of profit.

Oh, I'm sure that AMD has issues as well but considering that the Zen architecture is newer and based upon more modern ways of thinking fixes might not erode quite so badly into the performance of said chips.
What we actually know is what vulnerabilities Intel and AMD CPUs have right now that have been made public and there are more on the Intel side.

Meltdown, Spoiler, and now these — all Intel exclusives.

Bulldozer is everyone's favorite whipping post so I don't know if we're going to start seeing AMD credited for "more modern ways of thinking" when it designed that CPU, versus the heaps of praise for things like Sandy. Perhaps along with the boneheaded design choices that cost performance AMD made more right choices when it came to security? I am definitely not a fan of the black box inside Zen approach, though.
 
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As I've mentioned before, we shouldn't be surprised about new attack vectors for these timing attacks, as long as there is an underlying weakness, there is a potential for more undiscovered attack vectors.

Still, for desktop users risks will be very low as long as the malicious software has to be run locally, and for e.g. the Spectre variants where it's more like a theoretical possibility than something that would be practical to actually steal useful information.

I would advice against participating in "schadenfreude", just because these specific attack vectors are Intel specific, doesn't mean others are not affected by similar problems. We've see in the past how vulnerabilities from Intel has led to discoveries of similar problems in other designs, not only AMD, but also the huge spectrum of ARM designs in existence. We should not assume they are "invulnerable" to this class of attacks just because we haven't found anything yet, we can't know that with a reasonable certainty until they have been carefully vetted. Hopefully the last two years of discoveries will lead to more consciousness about designing for security in hardware, something which seems to be largely "lacking" until now.

Once again we see both speculative execution and SMT as elements of vulnerabilities. It's important to emphasize that none of these are flawed in principle, but have certain security implications that people have either ignored or been unaware of. Speculative execution have certain pitfalls by itself, but have magnitudes more once SMT is put into the mix. While it's still possible to actually do this securely, the pitfalls of SMT will only increase with architectural complexity, and the cost of dealing with this does too, and since the performance gains from SMT are diminishing with increasing IPC, SMT should be abandoned sooner rather than later. One interesting side-note is that recent rumors of Zen 3 claim support for 4-thread SMT, which would if true increase the potential pitfalls even more.

Most, if not all of these require the attacker to already have access to a machine, and in many cases a whole lot of additional conditions have to apply. Another unrelated example would be the much hyped AMD vulnerability of flashing unsigned BIOSes, which still required root access and/or physical access.
We should never assume a single security measure is impenetrable by itself, and instead build security in layers, where multiple vulnerabilities are required to execute a successful attack. Doing so have been established as good practices for ages, but times are now actually changing for the worse, as companies are moving more and more of their essential infrastructure into the public cloud, where a single vulnerability in either hardware, hypervisor or the cloud management is enough to bypass any security measure. All of a sudden, we have just a single line of defense against the attackers. I'm just hoping this cloud hype dies down before some major incident occurs.
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This should be added to the article lol.
 
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Oh, I'm sure that AMD has issues as well but considering that the Zen architecture is newer and based upon more modern ways of thinking fixes might not erode quite so badly into the performance of said chips.
Speculative!
 
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I'm leaning more towards the latter in the sense that Intel knew that it could blow up in their faces but they did it anyways.
When you are making a good profit by selling Quad cores to consumers for over a decade, who wouldn't right?
 
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