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Yikes, my 7970 only scores 61.5 on ASIC

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People are so up in arms about overclocking these days its almost ridiculous. I mean i know i love overclocking my shit, but graphics cards this generation don't even need it, one because most overclock on their own with boost clocks like kepler, or they are fast enough out of the box, to not warrant the need for it.
 
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Whats funny is this guy is looking at a rating that means nothing. I bet he look at Windows experience score too.:laugh::laugh::laugh::banghead::banghead:

Run some real benchmarks and see how the card performs. Then get back to us.
 
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Whats funny is this guy is looking at a rating that means nothing. I bet he look at Windows experience score too.:laugh::laugh::laugh::banghead::banghead:

Run some real benchmarks and see how the card performs. Then get back to us.
If it means nothing why did W1zzard write the GUI that tests the ASIC score by labeling low scores as having lower OCing on air, which is the way most people run them. Lower OCs is also the most common scenario for those reporting their results with such ratings. Average OCs and certain above average are more the exception than the norm for high leakage cards on air. Acting like it's not isn't going to change that.

And if you'd paid attention to any of my other posts lately, you'd know I'm already running Cat 12.11, and have already benched the card.

If you're going to take cheap shots, at least know wtf you're talking about, and no, you personally I don't care to get back to, because you can't seem to handle discussing it with respect. "I bet he look", you can't even SAY your cheap shots intelligently.
 
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Well I will just throw in my ASIC Quality on my Sapphire OC Edition(non Boost 1000/1450) It weighs in at 69.8%. I have never made any serious effort to OC it. Only OC I have ever done is thru the CCC which amounted to 1100/1500. The difference was pretty minimal outside of the extra heat. Heck Far Cry 3 has set the new standard for my cards Max Temp. It's easily pushing Mid 70's running FC3 well over 10C then what I'm used to for my Max Temp. I will take the loss of what literally will amount to no more than 5FPS vs. the extra heat any kind of OC is going to generate.

You mentioned the Vapor-X IF I was to go for a new card(or if I had waited just a bit longer) THAT would be my card of choice hands down. Better components, better cooler and the kicker is I looked it up couple weeks back and my OC Edition is actually more expensive than the Vapor-X :banghead:

But like MxPhenom said, The card doesn't really need any OC anyway. Maybe a year or two down the road the option is there when it might actually struggle.
 
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ASIC is MOOT man(in terms of O/C'ing), My LCS 7970 had an ASIC of 78 , and OC'd like SHYT.

Although , it had TERRIBLE Coil whine, so I returned it, and got a new one, 71 ASIC, So So OC, nothing to write home about.
 
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ASIC is MOOT man(in terms of O/C'ing), My LCS 7970 had an ASIC of 78 , and OC'd like SHYT.

Although , it had TERRIBLE Coil whine, so I returned it, and got a new one, 71 ASIC, So So OC, nothing to write home about.
The ONLY time I hear any kind of Coil Whine is when I start a game that say for example doesn't use V-Sync in the Intros(My latest that comes to mind is Alan Wake) Well Hellz Yeah the coils are gonna whine when it's pushing almost 6000 FPS.

That's what V-sync is for... Coil Whine is pretty aptly named your card is begging you to stop overworking it for no good reason at all ;)
 

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You guys realize that "ASIC" just means "GPU"? So without the word "quality" after it, it isn't what you are talking about.
 
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You guys realize that "ASIC" just means "GPU"? So without the word "quality" after it, it isn't what you are talking about.
Sigh... Yes your right. Now I gotta edit my post...
 
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My ASIC quality is somewhere around 65 not sure and can't check now but I can get mine up to 1150/1525 on 1.112v
 
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This just in; Next round of GFX cards will launch with ridiculous pricing due to plethora of users returning working cards claiming "low ASIC" or "coil whine".

People make me laugh.
 

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You guys realize that "ASIC" just means "GPU"? So without the word "quality" after it, it isn't what you are talking about.
So how is it measured? WHAT is measured?

EDIT @ midget: If the whine is loud enough I'd return it. That kind of whining always gets to me.
 
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ASIC Quality rating by Iddq: 87.5%
oc's like there's no tommorrow MSI R7970 Power Edition @1200/1600 24/7 Flashed to LIGHTING
 
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If it means nothing why did W1zzard write the GUI that tests the ASIC score by labeling low scores as having lower OCing on air, which is the way most people run them. Lower OCs is also the most common scenario for those reporting their results with such ratings. Average OCs and certain above average are more the exception than the norm for high leakage cards on air. Acting like it's not isn't going to change that.

And if you'd paid attention to any of my other posts lately, you'd know I'm already running Cat 12.11, and have already benched the card.

If you're going to take cheap shots, at least know wtf you're talking about, and no, you personally I don't care to get back to, because you can't seem to handle discussing it with respect. "I bet he look", you can't even SAY your cheap shots intelligently.

I know WTF I am talking about. Run 3Dmark 11 and post your damn score. If your getting hung up on this score the community really does not use much your crackers. :nutkick:

Who cares about air or watercooloing. Cooling is what it is.
 
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I know WTF I am talking about. Run 3Dmark 11 and post your damn score. If your getting hung up on this score the community really does not use much your crackers. :nutkick:

Who cares about air or watercooloing. Cooling is what it is.
ORLY? So you're psychic and know what I have or haven't done without reading all my posts? OK Cpt wiz kid, you can chill now and understand that I don't give feedback to those whom talk down to people they apparently know nothing about.

You're still not getting that a pretty tech savvy guy, the REAL W1zzard, wrote that ASIC interpretation chart indicating lower ASIC typically means lower air OC, and higher ASIC higher OC on air.

You also seem oblivious to the fact that spending $200 or more on WCing totally changes the cost effectiveness of even buying one 7970 in the first place. Hell, at the $280 they start at, two 7950s would be only $30 more than what I paid for my 7970 plus WCing. Doesn't take a genious to figure out which it the better deal.

If it hasn't sunk in by now, I'll just have to ignore your responses because I don't feel like dealing with your attitude. W1zzard's first response tells it all. Best I can hope for is extreme OCing with spendy cooling, and that = not cost effective.

Please tolerate our abbreviating ASIC "quality" with just ASIC though W1zzard. Pretty much everyone here knows what is meant when people say ASIC score, and to say quality when some of us clearly aren't actually getting a quality OC is salt in the wound.
 

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Please tolerate our abbreviating ASIC "quality" with just ASIC though W1zzard. Pretty much everyone here knows what is meant when people say ASIC score, and to say quality when some of us clearly aren't actually getting a quality OC is salt in the wound.
it's like saying "car" when you are talking about "car wash".

If you don't like your card, how it OCs, the color of it, the smell. By all means, return it, that's what restocking fees are for.
 
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it's like saying "car" when you are talking about "car wash"
ASIC = Application-Specific Integrated Circuit. (I googled).

Is what you are saying is that the ASIC itself is the whole thing relating to the cards circuitry? If so, does this infer the chip itself (the Tahiti Core or GK104) is only a component of the ASIC?

The only way what you are saying makes sense (your car wash analogy) is if the ASIC quality does not simply refer to the chip. (Whereas the OP is using ASIC as a description of the chip itself).

I am getting the jist of things here? :confused:
 

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ASIC = Application-Specific Integrated Circuit. (I googled).

Is what you are saying is that the ASIC itself is the whole thing relating to the cards circuitry? If so, does this infer the chip itself (the Tahiti Core or GK104) is only a component of the ASIC?

The only way what you are saying makes sense (your car wash analogy) is if the ASIC quality does not simply refer to the chip. (Whereas the OP is using ASIC as a description of the chip itself).

I am getting the jist of things here? :confused:
If ASIC = GPU I think wiz is broadening it a bit. Or is ASIC part of the GPU? Good questions.

Anyway found this on another forum (ironcally):

"It represents the arbitrary number Nvidia or ATI assign a die based on its
location and performance figure they are trying to target. Just like it was said
before a lower number should have higher leakage, but may also mean a closer to
the edge die cut. If everything else were equal a number such as 85% should
yield a balance between leakage so you can throw more voltage at it and non
faulty transistors from die defects."


"The asic level referes to the electrical leakage level. Higher leakage, uses more current, lots more. Low leakage less voltage for the current clock speed. A high asic card would use less voltage to run at the stock clocks. On air you want the highest asic card you can get. On water you want something around 74%. 60% and under is for liquid nitrogen."

Referring to a low ASIC number likle 50%

"It looks to me like all this means is that your card may have one or more (or perhaps all) of the following characteristics:

Higher default voltage
Higher power consumption
Lower chances of overclocking using the stock cooling or some air cooler
Higher chance of overclocking using water, dry ice, LN2, phase change, etc (this may mean that your best bet for overclocking would be to use water cooling or better)

In other words, if you're not interested in tweaking it or overclocking it, then having a low ASIC quality may mean absolutely nothing."
EDIT: It feels like this feature generates more questions than answers. It feels people are confused about what it actually means.
 
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I think W1zzard means that referring to ASIC quality by just saying ASIC or ASIC score is meaningless. What are you scoring in regards to the ASIC? What aspects are you measuring? And so on. Just as saying 'car' would be meaningless, when referring to a car wash, as 'car' could be referring to many aspects.
 
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Found out some more. I'll paraphrase.

All components are given an ASIC quality but the ASIC that gpu-z reads is the AMD or Nvidia assigned chip ASIC. This is given at manufacture and is a way to describe the operating temps/voltage and frequency parameters of the chip. A higher ASIC chip works within the parameters of the assigned frequency with a lower voltage and heat output. I think.

However, the rest of the PCB is made of assembled components that also rely on ASIC 'quality'. So you may have a high ASIC chip but a poor selection of PCB components (Mosfets, chokes, etc) would hamper overclocking.

The high ASICs work well with lower voltages (less leakage) and therefore work well on air. The lower ASICs have higher leakage and require higher volts to hit the same frequencies but obviously at higher temps (water or LN2).

My confusion is why do high ASICs not clock even better under water or ice? Is it that the higher leakage chips are tested up to a certain volt range and are therefore known to tolerate them? Whereas the high ASIC's have a lower tested operating voltage and may not respond to more voltage?

Original description here.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33445806&postcount=21
 
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My confusion is why do high ASICs not clock even better under water or ice? Is it that the higher leakage chips are tested up to a certain volt range and are therefore known to tolerate them? Whereas the high ASIC's have a lower tested operating voltage and may not respond to more voltage?
I think cadaveca gave the best answer:

Actually, the lowest ASIC possible, while still stable, is best for those that run LN2. I've posted an explanation as to why a few times on here. Leakage is required for chips to work(they give off heat this way). When you cool chip, leakage lowers, nature of this semiconductor. Cool too far, the chip can't leak at all, and you get a "coldbug". A chip with higher leakage can be colder further than one that has less leakage.
 

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Found out some more. I'll paraphrase.

All components are given an ASIC quality but the ASIC that gpu-z reads is the AMD or Nvidia assigned chip ASIC. This is given at manufacture and is a way to describe the operating temps/voltage and frequency parameters of the chip. A higher ASIC chip works within the parameters of the assigned frequency with a lower voltage and heat output. I think.

However, the rest of the PCB is made of assembled components that also rely on ASIC 'quality'. So you may have a high ASIC chip but a poor selection of PCB components (Mosfets, chokes, etc) would hamper overclocking.

The high ASICs work well with lower voltages (less leakage) and therefore work well on air. The lower ASICs have higher leakage and require higher volts to hit the same frequencies but obviously at higher temps (water or LN2).

My confusion is why do high ASICs not clock even better under water or ice? Is it that the higher leakage chips are tested up to a certain volt range and are therefore known to tolerate them? Whereas the high ASIC's have a lower tested operating voltage and may not respond to more voltage?

Original description here.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=33445806&postcount=21
Which brings me to another question, if you don't mind, regrading your MSI 7970 not overclocking that well even when water cooled. What is the ASIC quality reading for that card?

Also, I'll just add that from my understanding a higher ASIC quality means that the chip is also at it's limit in terms of how much voltage the circuitry can tolerate. I could be wrong, though.


Edit:

I'll also add that my current graphics card exhibits all the signs of being very high ASIC and doesn't respond as well to cooling.
 
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lol, I shouldn't tell you, you'll probably try and cancel your own MSI order.

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But remember it's still a stock 7970 pcb, just overclocked at bios level. I reached about 1100-1125 stable. The CCC limits were also set at 1125 (but i tried via the tweak to go higher).

1125 is 200MHz above stock (21.6% overclock) nothing to be sad about and my ASIC is unusually low. Flipside, less coil whine than my powercolor!
 

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lol, I shouldn't tell you, you'll probably try and cancel your own MSI order.

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But remember it's still a stock 7970 pcb, just overclocked at bios level. I reached about 1100-1125 stable. The CCC limits were also set at 1125 (but i tried via the tweak to go higher).

1125 is 200MHz above stock (21.6% overclock) nothing to be sad about and my ASIC is unusually low. Flipside, less coil whine than my powercolor!
Thanks, that's actually re-assuring as it shows that the lower overclock is likely due to the ASIC quality of your particular card rather than something inherently wrong with the model in question.

Which brings me to the next logical question, what kind of voltage did you test with?
 
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Right up to 1300mv. But it did bad things on 3DMark11. Thing is it ran at stock volts at 1125core. This particular card just didn't like the juice.

My Powercolor card did 1300MHz core on 1300mv.

Both my cards chug along at 1050core, 1500 memory, stock volts, 100% stable.