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Just curious what settings are you using for your 10th Gen. i9

Full Auto + MCE OFF
Full Auto + MCE ON
Full Auto + MCE ON w/ custom vCore
Manual (what settings?)
 

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I have my 10850K setup with Manual settings.

It will run at 5.2GHz if 2 or less cores are under load, and runs at 5.0GHz if more than 2 cores are under load. My Core/Cache voltage is 1.315v. AVX load runs at 5.0GHz as well.
 
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Been playing around with one (10850k) and got all core 5ghz @ 1.272-1.292v. Passes RB in 15m test. Hottest core 81 avx off. Stable enough for me as it will never get close to that sort of load.

Is this silicone any good guys?

Seems pretty avg from what I've been seeing. Not bad but not good.
 
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Stable enough for me as it will never get close to that sort of load.
there are games heavier than R23...
Cinebench has basically no transients and is on an oscilloscope a flat line.

btw. pretty normal Chip.
 
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I installed one of 2 10850k's last night and I believe it's the hottest chip I've ever owned at stock. It's under a EK AIO 240. I just let it run World Community grid at stock for an hour or so and found one core had actually hit 92c. I believe that's the hottest I've ever seen on any of my processors at stock since I got into PC building in 2006. That was very unexpected! I'm going to switch out the Vader fans for something higher CFM and see if that helps while I'm waiting for a EK AIO 360 to get here. Maybe try an offset on it too.
 
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I installed one of 2 10850k's last night and I believe it's the hottest chip I've ever owned at stock. It's under a EK AIO 240. I just let it run World Community grid at stock for an hour or so and found one core had actually hit 92c. I believe that's the hottest I've ever seen on any of my processors at stock since I got into PC building in 2006. That was very unexpected! I'm going to switch out the Vader fans for something higher CFM and see if that helps while I'm waiting for a EK AIO 360 to get here. Maybe try an offset on it too.

I've notice that @ stock the voltage is very high. I manually had to change the voltage. The voltage @ stock was going past 1.5v. Is this the same in your case?

I changed the voltage to adaptive with a -0.100 offset, manually put x48 and everything else at stock (4.8Ghz everything auto) and the voltage was about 1.172v @ 4.8Ghz all core. Max temps were like 60°C.

I'm probably just going to run the CPU like this as its very cool and runs at like 100w. Seems to be the best for performance vs efficiency : )
 

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I've notice that @ stock the voltage is very high. I manually had to change the voltage. The voltage @ stock was going past 1.5v. Is this the same in your case?

I changed the voltage to adaptive with a -0.100 offset, manually put x48 and everything else at stock (4.8Ghz everything auto) and the voltage was about 1.172v @ 4.8Ghz all core. Max temps were like 60°C.

I'm probably just going to run the CPU like this as its very cool and runs at like 100w. Seems to be the best for performance vs efficiency : )

Mine was running at like 1.45v out of the box. I think Intel just cranked the voltage to make sure these lower binned cores were stable. Not only did I overclock to 5.2GHz(2-Cores)/5.0GHz(All-Core) but I also lowered the voltage to 1.315v. It runs in the 70s now.
 
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5.2GHz(2-Cores)/5.0GHz(All-Core)

Yeah, I'm finding its been quite interesting overclocking these CPU's. Very extended bios with a tons of parameters to fiddle with.

Its a big difference form the old P4 days. Voltage + FSB clock and that was it.

I'm getting a bit lost with these new CPU's and BIOS. Sooo much to change for a stable all core. This is why I'm pretty happy with 4.8Ghz. Quite simple. I haven't even started the memory OC yet..
 

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I've notice that @ stock the voltage is very high. I manually had to change the voltage. The voltage @ stock was going past 1.5v. Is this the same in your case?

I changed the voltage to adaptive with a -0.100 offset, manually put x48 and everything else at stock (4.8Ghz everything auto) and the voltage was about 1.172v @ 4.8Ghz all core. Max temps were like 60°C.

I'm probably just going to run the CPU like this as its very cool and runs at like 100w. Seems to be the best for performance vs efficiency : )

Mine was running at like 1.45v out of the box. I think Intel just cranked the voltage to make sure these lower binned cores were stable. Not only did I overclock to 5.2GHz(2-Cores)/5.0GHz(All-Core) but I also lowered the voltage to 1.315v. It runs in the 70s now.
Mine was was similar out of the box. It's striking how high voltages are at stock. I don't think it's just Intel. I think it's the board partners covering all chips from duds to golden samples in the most extreme way I've ever seen. Once I got into the bios and set manual settings, temps became far more reasonable. 72c 1.18v @ 4.8ghz running WCG/OCCT or Real Bench. I just saw a YT with Steve at GN addressing this, but now I can't find the link. I think it's irresponsible. I mean, a PC enthusiast is going to see this and fix it. Your 17 year old gamer who won't touch the bios and running a beast like this at stock voltages, many times with subpar cooling is going to be clueless and eventually degrade the chip at stock, which is just wrong.
 
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Intel was producing too many CPUs that needed lots of voltage to run at the advertised speed that the 10900K runs at. What to do? How about, drop the speed 100 MHz, crank up the voltage and the 10850K was born.

Check out this comparison. Same CPU, same speed, same performance. First Cinebench test at default voltage and then the second test with a -125mV undervolt.

Default Voltage


-125 mV undervolt
 

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Intel was producing too many CPUs that needed lots of voltage to run at the advertised speed that the 10900K runs at. What to do? How about, drop the speed 100 MHz, crank up the voltage and the 10850K was born.

Check out this comparison. Same CPU, same speed, same performance. First Cinebench test at default voltage and then the second test with a -125mV undervolt.

Default Voltage


-125 mV undervolt
Thing is, it appears that many 10850k CAN run at higher frequencies on lower vcore without thermal issues if a user knows what they are doing in the bios to tweak it properly. So I'm wondering what specific limits determine whether a cpu ends up a 10900k or 10850k?

I still think thermals on 10th and 11th gen cpu's have as much to do with motherboard partners as Intel.
Don't Run Z490 Motherboards with Default Settings: Thermals, Power, Boosting, & MCE for 10th Gen CPUs | GamersNexus - Gaming PC Builds & Hardware Benchmarks
 
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what specific limits determine whether a cpu ends up a 10900k or 10850k?
My 10850K runs great at reasonable voltage at its full load rated speed of 4800 MHz. When you overclock it to 5.2 GHz, the voltage necessary to be stable goes way up. It needs significantly more voltage to run stable at 5.2 GHz or 5.3 GHz compared to what a good 10900K needs.

Intel does not have all day to decide whether a CPU is good enough to be a 10900K or not. They likely use some simple and fast voltage frequency test. If stable, it becomes a 10900K, if it is stable with some additional voltage, it becomes a 10850K and if it is not stable at all, they throw it in the garbage.

With any quick test like this there is going to be some overlap. There are going to be some good 10850K that perform exactly the same as a poor 10900K. My 10850K has an Asus SP rating of 63 and I have seen some 10900K with the exact same SP 63 rating.

Here is what the voltage curve looks like for my 10850K.

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I still think thermals on 10th and 11th gen cpu's have as much to do with motherboard partners as Intel.
Intel sets the default VID voltage table for each of their CPUs. At default settings, it is up to the motherboard to use this VID voltage information to determine the voltage.
 

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Your 17 year old gamer who won't touch the bios and running a beast like this at stock voltages, many times with subpar cooling is going to be clueless and eventually degrade the chip at stock, which is just wrong.
The chips won't degrade during their usable lifetime. That's what thermal limits, power limits, etc. are there to prevent. And as long as it stays under 100° its fine.
 
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The chips won't degrade during their usable lifetime. That's what thermal limits, power limits, etc. are there to prevent. And as long as it stays under 100° its fine.

The 90C powerlimit is actually useful for throttling it on an OC - first time power throttles were a purposeful OCing strategy for me TBH, where I am ok at running at throttle lol.
 
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Just curious what settings are you using for your 10th Gen. i9

Full Auto + MCE OFF
Full Auto + MCE ON
Full Auto + MCE ON w/ custom vCore
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There's some more annoying settings that make you throttle like grandmas wheel chair lol

Maximum CPU Core Temperature [115]
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very interesting reports
mine is on Full Auto (+ MCE ON), 4.80GHz all core Turbo but a little too toasty (1.35V and 80-85°C)

my question is, what happens if I leave everything auto but set a negative offset for the vcore that does not allow 4.80GHz to be stable? Will the CPU (MB?) auto-adjust the max Turbo frequency or it will try to keep 4.80 and crash?
 

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will try to keep 4.80 and crash?
If you use too much negative offset voltage, your computer will not be stable and it will crash.

1.35V for 4.8 GHz all core seems like way too much voltage to me. Many 10th Gen Core i9 can run 4.8 GHz fully loaded at 1.20V. If your actual voltage is 1.35V, no surprise that your CPU is running hot. You have lots of room to reduce voltage.

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If you use too much negative offset voltage, your computer will not be stable and it will crash.

1.35V for 4.8 GHz all core seems like way too much voltage to me. Many 10th Gen Core i9 can run 4.8 GHz fully loaded at 1.20V. If your actual voltage is 1.35V, no surprise that your CPU is running hot. You have lots of room to reduce voltage.

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Sure, this is clear hehe ;)
What is not clear to me is if I need to treat the CPU as if it's overclocked and do the usual set-&-test process or, since everything is in auto, there is also an auto/adaptive mode to set a lower voltage

I mean, it feels a little stupid having all in auto and still have to stress test the CPU in order to find the real default voltage :D
Or maybe having the TDP unlocked and MCE enabled has to be seen as the "auto overclock" feature that used to be a thing in old mainboards and which was always bad because it used to set the vcore too high
 

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still have to stress test the CPU
No matter what your settings are, you should always stress test your computer. How else will you know if it is stable or not? Computers are a collection of random parts. No way to know if everything is working together correctly without doing some testing.

I showed above that some negative offset voltage can drop full load temps by 17°C. To me, that is something that is worth looking into.

it used to set the vcore too high
Nothing has changed. The Vcore is always too high at default settings. Intel sets the voltage table within the CPU on the high side to guarantee long term stability. It is not necessary to use 1.35V at 4.8 GHz. On a 10th Gen, 10 core CPU, setting the CPU to the voltage that it needs to be stable can make a huge difference to power consumption and temps.

Here is a quick and easy -75 mV undervolt on an Asus board.

 
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Hey guys,

I was able to return the 10850K (for reasons where the PC shop stuffed up..:shadedshu:) and ended up paying a little more for the 10900KF.

I'm able to run 5.1Ghz all core under load @ 1.26v.

I'm trying to see how low I can get the voltage @ 4.8Ghz but no matter how much negative offset voltage I set, I can only get 1.104v under load. This is with adaptive set.

Anyway of getting it lower? Mobo is Z490 Vision D.

I see most people are running Asus boards and getting SP ratings etc. Worth getting an Asus board?

Cheers.
 
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