Your Haswell-E max stable OC

[OneMoar]

the extra pins allow the socket to override/bypass some of the FIVR-logic resulting in far more stable power as well as the ability to run absurd levels of voltage (1.8v+) tho with haswell-e/X99 there may be more to it
we have known for awhile that intel will be dropping FIVR with skylake ... between the YIELD problems and the increased heat it was only a matter of time before intel back tracked

 

[springs113]

Cant vote again but, now a proud owner of a 5930k.

 

[GhostRyder]

It's 48 added pins. The CPU has these pins for "diagnostic purposes" for various sections of the CPU, and ASUS manipulated those interfaces.

Marketing image comparing socket pins:

I know that the CPU has lands for these pins, and because of that, those lands are there for a reason. Since the number of lands is so high, there can't just be some "mumbo-jumbo" here, and honestly I was as skeptical as you were at first. But having played with many boards now, there is a marked difference in boards with this socket, and specifically in CPU speed, cache speed, BCLK ability, and memory speeds, especially when you combine all of them together, compared to other boards. But I still remain cautious, and this is why I want more CPUs to test with. I honestly don't care WHAT they do specifically myself, I'm concerned about the RESULTS, and those I do have, albeit with a very limited number of CPUs (ie, 2). It is more than possible some sort of BIOS-level stuff is at play, but the huge gap in everything that I have experienced says to me that simply BIOS-level tweaking is not the sole cause for this huge gap in clocking ability between boards with either socket design.

I do not ASUS would readily give out the info of what they did, as this is a grand thing if they really have something no other board does. Maybe understanding my delay in publishing a review is easier with that said.

I am very curious to see your results as to how much of a difference this makes. I am ready to test my Gaming 9 board and see how happy I am with it and see what limits I can push compared to instead of getting the other boards.

I want to see you hit 5.0ghz on a 5930K or 5820K, that would blow my mind! If I manage 4.8 on my chip I might explode with joy for myself but 4.6ghz is going to be my satisfied point.

 

[cadaveca]

I am very curious to see your results as to how much of a difference this makes. I am ready to test my Gaming 9 board and see how happy I am with it and see what limits I can push compared to instead of getting the other boards.

There's something to be said about the differences between boards. That's why I can't just say "oh it works great!" without trying a bunch of things, and seeing how it all plays out. Like maybe some lesser boards have limits in place with power consumption or something, and the high-end ones do not. But as OneMoar said, apparently what ASUS has done is by-passed some of the limits imposed by the FIVR that were/are there for diagnostic purposes. Yet I am willing to go with the idea that ASUS sells a lot of Intel chip products, and worked some deal to have that there, and just for them. Either way, if it proves to keep the top for OC, then that's that.

 

[springs113]

I am very curious to see your results as to how much of a difference this makes. I am ready to test my Gaming 9 board and see how happy I am with it and see what limits I can push compared to instead of getting the other boards.

I want to see you hit 5.0ghz on a 5930K or 5820K, that would blow my mind! If I manage 4.8 on my chip I might explode with joy for myself but 4.6ghz is going to be my satisfied point.

I hit 4.8 but wasn't stable and didn't have the time to play around with it cause of my toddler going haywire.

 

[radrok]

Currently waiting on the 5960X to get in stock, RVE coming

Kinda sad to see that the midrange one is an hexa-core honestly...

 

[cadaveca]

Currently waiting on the 5960X to get in stock, RVE coming

Kinda sad to see that the midrange one is an hexa-core honestly...

Meh., gives better than 4960X performance at less cost and less power used, so less cost of ownership.

 

[d1nky]

Currently waiting on the 5960X to get in stock, RVE coming

Kinda sad to see that the midrange one is an hexa-core honestly...

Sweet! Shame they used solder pads instead of the usual check points. Wonder what the new retail silicon is like compared to the coming batches, seen averages of 4.6ghz in some tables.

@buildzoid you need a 3770k or 4790k for those spi and cines!

 

[buildzoid]

Sweet! Shame they used solder pads instead of the usual check points. Wonder what the new retail silicon is like compared to the coming batches, seen averages of 4.6ghz in some tables.

@buildzoid you need a 3770k or 4790k for those spi and cines!

The Haswell-e work fine for them too. TAPAKAH used a 5.8Ghz 5960X and it scores SuperPi 32M the same area as a 6Ghz Haswell using PSC ram. I also don't want a PC that will sit around doing nothing until I feel like benching. My bro has a 4790K but he won't let me play with it.

 

[radrok]

Sweet! Shame they used solder pads instead of the usual check points. Wonder what the new retail silicon is like compared to the coming batches, seen averages of 4.6ghz in some tables.

@buildzoid you need a 3770k or 4790k for those spi and cines!

I'm probably going phase this time around, I really want that 5.0Ghz.

 

[d1nky]

Saw that tapakah bested some scores using the MSI board, im looking at the board with a few lightnings. The only problem i have is making up some BS to get it pass my missus lol

 

[buildzoid]

I'm probably going phase this time around, I really want that 5.0Ghz.

I always wanted to try a phase change cooler but they're so expensive and heavy. If the 5820K doesn't pull over 200W running cinebench I might go with a TEC setup with a high volume of water to get so more heat capacity to give me a heat buffer. BTW what is your 3930K running at.

Saw that tapakah bested some scores using the MSI board, im looking at the board with a few lightnings. The only problem i have is making up some BS to get it pass my missus lol

Eh I had a look at that board and I have problems with where the buttons are and also the lack of V check points. I'm really annoyed that there isn't a completely OC centric board that's missing things like on board audio, sata express, M.2, some USB 3.0 ports and similar features to lower costs. The EVGA boards sorta do this but because they are EVGA they cost the same as boards with more features.

 

[d1nky]

The MSI X99S xpower has vcheck points, ive had all the asus z77 mobos and now using this mpower. Theres a few features i prefer this to than asus. But rog connect is amazing, especially the OC panel and vga hotwire.

The thing that asus has ruined for me is the solder points on the RVE, maybe theyll have a black edition soon which would have them. Plus theres a bit of ambiguity about the warranty on these (expensive) chips!

The gigabyte SOC may be the closest OC centric X99 board, but i bet they wouldnt be able to sell a mobo with zero added features. And maybe the M.2 controller will beast pcmark benches?!

 

[the54thvoid]

Dave, can you confirm that the Asus OC socket invalidates the Intel warranty?

And if this has been answered already, apologies but I must have missed it....

 

[bubbleawsome]

Dave, can you confirm that the Asus OC socket invalidates the Intel warranty?

And if this has been answered already, apologies but I must have missed it....

It doesn't seem to.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-oc-socket-warranty-x99,27597.html

 

[OneMoar]

has anybody accually had a need to use the CPU warranty outside of a DOA or pre-overclocking protection policy
seriously a DEAD CPU or a CPU up and quitting out of the blue just doesn't happen ... ever

 

[buildzoid]

The MSI X99S xpower has vcheck points, ive had all the asus z77 mobos and now using this mpower. Theres a few features i prefer this to than asus. But rog connect is amazing, especially the OC panel and vga hotwire.

The thing that asus has ruined for me is the solder points on the RVE, maybe theyll have a black edition soon which would have them. Plus theres a bit of ambiguity about the warranty on these (expensive) chips!

The gigabyte SOC may be the closest OC centric X99 board, but i bet they wouldnt be able to sell a mobo with zero added features. And maybe the M.2 controller will beast pcmark benches?!

Here the Xpower is barely cheaper than the RVE at which point I might as well get the RVE. The SOC board is also nice but it again cost almost as much as the RVE. The EVGA X99 FTW on the other hand is significantly cheaper than the RVE SOC or Xpower has Vcheck points, lane switches, dual BIOS and an 8 phase VRM so if EVGA didn't screw anything up BIOS side it should be almost exactly what I'm looking for. Plus I'll be ordering E-power boards soon so I can order the MB at the same time. I don't think I could stand looking at a yellow motherboard.
If I could get someone to buy my RIVE + 3960X with the watercooling(I can't remember where the stock heatsink assembly went) for a good price I'd care less about cost but since that will be difficult, I'm focusing on lowering the cost of a new MB+CPU+RAM as much as possible while retaining what I really want.

 

[d1nky]

Im tired of red and black themes.

Epower sounds fun! Im selling my pots and shit until new year, then ill buy some der8aeur pots maybe. Im just looking at a new build to have some major oc fun and last a long time.

A 3770k/DC on LN2 doesnt score as well on physics compared to a HEDT chip! My theory is no LN2 on cpu (saves stuff dying) and then beast some gfx cards!

 

[GhostRyder]

Im tired of red and black themes.

Epower sounds fun! Im selling my pots and shit until new year, then ill buy some der8aeur pots maybe. Im just looking at a new build to have some major oc fun and last a long time.

A 3770k/DC on LN2 doesnt score as well on physics compared to a HEDT chip! My theory is no LN2 on cpu (saves stuff dying) and then beast some gfx cards!

I would really like a completely white themed machine with GPU's, blocks, motherboard, and liquid to boot. Think it would be a nice change of pace...

Here the Xpower is barely cheaper than the RVE at which point I might as well get the RVE. The SOC board is also nice but it again cost almost as much as the RVE. The EVGA X99 FTW on the other hand is significantly cheaper than the RVE SOC or Xpower has Vcheck points, lane switches, dual BIOS and an 8 phase VRM so if EVGA didn't screw anything up BIOS side it should be almost exactly what I'm looking for. Plus I'll be ordering E-power boards soon so I can order the MB at the same time. I don't think I could stand looking at a yellow motherboard.
If I could get someone to buy my RIVE + 3960X with the watercooling(I can't remember where the stock heatsink assembly went) for a good price I'd care less about cost but since that will be difficult, I'm focusing on lowering the cost of a new MB+CPU+RAM as much as possible while retaining what I really want.

Well I think the Xpower AC has 12Phase if im remembering correctly which could be more beneficial to extreme overclocking. Though at this point the OC socket has now gotten me a bit intrigued what with everyones comments on it so far (Including @cadaveca).

Dave, can you confirm that the Asus OC socket invalidates the Intel warranty?

And if this has been answered already, apologies but I must have missed it....

It will not void warranty just plugging a CPU into the socket, it was confirmed by Asus.

 

[springs113]

O/C voids warranty anyway that's why I'll get that warranty fron Intel, but to be quite honest this platform feels faster @ stock in comparison to my z87/4770 @4.6. It felt kinda tainted to oc the 5820k.

 

[d1nky]

I wonder if the asus OC socket will be included in Intels performance Tuning Plan.

Cant wait for dave to release a review of the MSI x99 xpower ac. If you have one of course.

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

has anybody accually had a need to use the CPU warranty outside of a DOA or pre-overclocking protection policy
seriously a DEAD CPU or a CPU up and quitting out of the blue just doesn't happen ... ever

Yes. I had a problem with my 3930k, and had to replace the board every 4-6 months. Enough of those cycles, and the solder pads were basically toast. The CPU replacement was quick and painless by Intel, though explaining how that much damage was done was difficult.

Note to everyone out there, the Gigabyte X79 UD5 boards are very hit and miss. Even after all the BIOS updates, they occasionally just crap out.

 

[buildzoid]

Well I think the Xpower AC has 12Phase if im remembering correctly which could be more beneficial to extreme overclocking. Though at this point the OC socket has now gotten me a bit intrigued what with everyones comments on it so far (Including @cadaveca).

Phase count is not as important on haswell-e because of intel's FIVR also if EVGA use 8 40A phases the VRM will be good for up to 576W. I actually want to do an experiment to see if you can't raise the MB VRM voltage output to lower current output and increase efficiency and what it does to the output voltages of the FIVR because if I could run the MB VRM at 2V and the FIVR would still output safe voltages you could lower the strain on the VRM by ~11% or more if you used an even higher voltage.

 

[springs113]

Not the way I thought the thread would go, but very interesting read going on here. What more could I ask for?

 

[cadaveca]

Dave, can you confirm that the Asus OC socket invalidates the Intel warranty?

And if this has been answered already, apologies but I must have missed it....

I can confirm that the rumour was not true. Intel Tuning Plan warranty would cover it, but any OC technically invalidates warranty (the whole "silicon is a semiconductor stuff whose lifespan is decreased by current" applies to OCing).

Specifically, this gives Intel a possible route of investigation is the pins were used, but it doesn't invalidate things unless you use the features that it offers, but the same would apply to ANY socket, not just the ASUS OC socket.