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I do like the smaller builds, i'll be doing my next as a mITX.
 
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That's a neat build. How did you manage to cram all that in there?
It's not that bad. Once you build one SFF, you can build all of them. The Cablemod set isn't just for looks; it literally saves me (and my SATA drives' power connectors) from 75% of the pain.

The M1 is pretty much the only air-portable that doesn't rely on bizarre layouts to achieve cooler and GPU compatibility. SG08 was close, but it's front heavy and I suspect the horizontal placement with a U9B helped kill one of my ITX boards.

I do like the smaller builds, i'll be doing my next as a mITX.
Did somebody say brass tubing in the SM550? Sub-10L hardtube water? :laugh:
 
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It's not that bad. Once you build one SFF, you can build all of them. The Cablemod set isn't just for looks; it literally saves me (and my SATA drives' power connectors) from 75% of the pain.

The M1 is pretty much the only air-portable that doesn't rely on bizarre layouts to achieve cooler and GPU compatibility. SG08 was close, but it's front heavy and I suspect the horizontal placement with a U9B helped kill one of my ITX boards.



Did somebody say brass tubing in the SM550? Sub-10L hardtube water? :laugh:
where does one buy this "Cablemod set" and can you recommend a cheaper case... yours cost $210... I want something similar for my ASRock B450M Steel Legend - ryzen / navi build I am doing soon.
 
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where does one buy this "Cablemod set" and can you recommend a cheaper case... yours cost $210... I want something similar for my ASRock B450M Steel Legend - ryzen / navi build I am doing soon.

 
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where does one buy this "Cablemod set" and can you recommend a cheaper case... yours cost $210... I want something similar for my ASRock B450M Steel Legend - ryzen / navi build I am doing soon.

The thing with that one is that, as with the others, it adopts the SL560 / A4 way of doing things, which means splitting the GPU from the rest, and a max cooler height of 90mm. 65mm for the Amazon one. Which may not matter if you're using an AIO, but if you're like me and can't use water...

The Metis from Raijintek is the only other one I can think of off my head that can fit standard 92mm towers, but it's reversed Silverstone-style and has piss poor cooling.
 
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The thing with that one is that, as with the others, it adopts the SL560 / A4 way of doing things, which means splitting the GPU from the rest, and a max cooler height of 90mm. 65mm for the Amazon one. Which may not matter if you're using an AIO, but if you're like me and can't use water...

The Metis from Raijintek is the only other one I can think of off my head that can fit standard 92mm towers, but it's reversed Silverstone-style and has piss poor cooling.
case not too important, as I will be using Navi blower style. I plan to add some minimal sound dampening foam inside. I will figure out a way to mount my noctua 140mm (but their design allows them to be put in 120mm slots) fans, I have 3 of them, will use gorilla glue to mount them if I have to, stock cooler of ryzen 3700x, plenty of air flow, and stronger fan curve on the gpu. should be about same performance as full ATX style builds.

main issue will be power supply, SFF power supply, never been in market for one before... so will be interesting doing the research
 
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case not too important, as I will be using Navi blower style. I plan to add some minimal sound dampening foam inside. I will figure out a way to mount my noctua 140mm (but their design allows them to be put in 120mm slots) fans, I have 3 of them, will use gorilla glue to mount them if I have to, stock cooler of ryzen 3700x, plenty of air flow, and stronger fan curve on the gpu. should be about same performance as full ATX style builds.

main issue will be power supply, SFF power supply, never been in market for one before... so will be interesting doing the research
Will recommend that you beef up the cooling with whatever you can. Wraith Prism was a good cooler on its introduction and does admirably for a 2700X, but the 3700X is...different.

The Corsair SF600 has been a cornerstone of SFF builders since its introduction, and with Cablemod support there's really no reason not to get it unless Seasonic comes out with a banger. It's on the SF600 Platinum revision now. I can't remember if it has fan off mode, but I can't say I've ever heard it in action in 2.5 years (I know it works).
 
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Will recommend that you beef up the cooling with whatever you can. Wraith Prism was a good cooler on its introduction and does admirably for a 2700X, but the 3700X is...different.

The Corsair SF600 has been a cornerstone of SFF builders since its introduction, and with Cablemod support there's really no reason not to get it unless Seasonic comes out with a banger. It's on the SF600 Platinum revision now. I can't remember if it has fan off mode, but I can't say I've ever heard it in action in 2.5 years (I know it works).
I'm going to try a couple tricks on the airflow. Since I will be using a blower style fan on gpu. I am going to attempt to have intake of 2x 140mm noctua fans blowing directly on the mobo and cpu cooler (no overclocking either), and exhaust of 140mm on front, either 2x 120mm or 2x 140mm or 1x140mm depending on the case I get. Going to try to find a case with a mesh front though. I'm hoping for 80 celsius max temp, I think blowing directly on the mobo and CPU with such powerful fans will work quite well though. We will see. If not then I will change plans.
 
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Will recommend that you beef up the cooling with whatever you can. Wraith Prism was a good cooler on its introduction and does admirably for a 2700X, but the 3700X is...different.

The Corsair SF600 has been a cornerstone of SFF builders since its introduction, and with Cablemod support there's really no reason not to get it unless Seasonic comes out with a banger. It's on the SF600 Platinum revision now. I can't remember if it has fan off mode, but I can't say I've ever heard it in action in 2.5 years (I know it works).
I have the 750w version and that fan is completely off at idle. SF series is amazing for quiet builds.
 
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I'm going to try a couple tricks on the airflow. Since I will be using a blower style fan on gpu. I am going to attempt to have intake of 2x 140mm noctua fans blowing directly on the mobo and cpu cooler (no overclocking either), and exhaust of 140mm on front, either 2x 120mm or 2x 140mm or 1x140mm depending on the case I get. Going to try to find a case with a mesh front though. I'm hoping for 80 celsius max temp, I think blowing directly on the mobo and CPU with such powerful fans will work quite well though. We will see. If not then I will change plans.
Out of respect for the guys in the Ryzen 3000 thread who've probably had enough of my bitching about my 3700X, I'll just say that I'm not overclocking either, and the dual fan D9L is having trouble. Heck, I've not even gotten to the point of worrying about boost clocks because I can't really reach those speeds with Vcore I'm comfortable with. I hope that your 3700X will be an efficient bin, and will be happy with undervolting.

Generally, a lot of owners will find it difficult to relate because SFF air is a very different challenge.
 
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@lynx29

Mini-itx is a topic up my alley I love small builds. I owned the Raijintek Metis and I do agree with the @tabascosauz the cooling for the case is not that optimal. The case don't really have clean traditional airflow like normal tower cases with an intake fan infront exhausting all behind or the top. The power supply is located at the front of the motherboard a design to decision to make it as compact as possible yet retaining full gpu compatibility and full height air cooler compatibility. Despite the airflow flaws, it can be remedied well with mods. I still highly recommend the Metis as it is a no compromise case for full size hardware and cooling. It is basically at the limits of full size hardware. I could cool my cpu with a massive Noctua d15s in this case 160mm high. Even despite being itx I have cooling capacity of a near mid tower case. You can gpu up to 26cm long here provided you use an sfx psu, short atx works too but not recommended. You are building in a case with only 13 litres of volume and the space is real tight. Volume wise its similar to an ncase m1 though the layout is different and with a much cheaper price.

For power supply always go SFX even if the case support atx always use sfx with a bracket. It really really make it alot easier to assemble rather than trying to jam a full size atx psu in. I have enough of atx psu and I would not buy another one now. Sfx psu have really improve in quality versus back then where the only player was Silverstone. I used a silverstone 600w gold before on paper it sounds good but in practice its not good as it is not reliable and prone to dying, also the voltage is not stable I changed two of them. User reviews for it reflect it too. The sfx gold standard now is the corsair Sf series. I am using an sf450 platinum now, super solid psu, the fan never even spin up at all and voltage is super stable rivaling even atx psu based on jonnyguru reviews. Plus the 7 years warranty is awesome add to it and the braided cables.

Regarding sandwich style case where the motherboard in one compartment and the gpu in another like the dan a4 I posted in my page back allows you to go even smaller. There is an advantage of sandwich style allowing better cooling than traditional cases and the hot air from the gpu and cpu is not mixing together. The downside is of course the cooler size is very short negating the split chamber design.
 
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@lynx29

Mini-itx is a topic up my alley I love small builds. I owned the Raijintek Metis and I do agree with the @tabascosauz the cooling for the case is not that optimal. The case don't really have clean traditional airflow like normal tower cases with an intake fan infront exhausting all behind or the top. The power supply is located at the front of the motherboard a design to decision to make it as compact as possible yet retaining full gpu compatibility and full height air cooler compatibility. Despite the airflow flaws, it can be remedied well with mods. I still highly recommend the Metis as it is a no compromise case for full size hardware and cooling. It is basically at the limits of full size hardware. I could cool my cpu with a massive Noctua d15s in this case 160mm high. Even despite being itx I have cooling capacity of a near mid tower case. You can gpu up to 26cm long here provided you use an sfx psu, short atx works too but not recommended. You are building in a case with only 13 litres of volume and the space is real tight. Volume wise its similar to an ncase m1 though the layout is different and with a much cheaper price.

For power supply always go SFX even if the case support atx always use sfx with a bracket. It really really make it alot easier to assemble rather than trying to jam a full size atx psu in. I have enough of atx psu and I would not buy another one now. Sfx psu have really improve in quality versus back then where the only player was Silverstone. I used a silverstone 600w gold before on paper it sounds good but in practice its not good as it is not reliable and prone to dying, also the voltage is not stable I changed two of them. User reviews for it reflect it too. The sfx gold standard now is the corsair Sf series. I am using an sf450 platinum now, super solid psu, the fan never even spin up at all and voltage is super stable rivaling even atx psu based on jonnyguru reviews. Plus the 7 years warranty is awesome add to it and the braided cables.

Regarding sandwich style case where the motherboard in one compartment and the gpu in another like the dan a4 I posted in my page back allows you to go even smaller. There is an advantage of sandwich style allowing better cooling than traditional cases and the hot air from the gpu and cpu is not mixing together. The downside is of course the cooler size is very short negating the split chamber design.
I really want the Dan A4 and do a full build around it. $219 though, oof. I might do it anyway. I'm currently waiting until next year anyway before I do my final build of 5-7 years... my 2500k lasted me that long, so I intend my next build to go even further, so I will invest more.

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The price though... :eek: I asked myself what I had done buying that case lol. It cost myself as much as my cpu. I don't regret it though, got the last production run for version 3 for me and I don't want to wait another year for a production run, the current version is the version 4. The quality of the dan a4 made by lian li is excellent, the matte like anodised finish was beautiful. No dust in the box or any sharp edge in the case. Usually normal cases I would find imperfection but the a4 hardly any.

Both the gpu and cpu side have the the hole panel. For current version you have 2 92mm fan mount points at the bottom. One below the psu and one below the board. Standard thickness fan is possible below the psu, the one below the the mobo is thin 92mm fan. If you use a short gpu another 120mm can be place with the side bracket. The bracket is actually intended for 120mm aio though. Many opted the route for the 92mm asetek aio instead so long gpu can be used still. Those aio are rare though.
 
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@lynx29

The price though... :eek: I asked myself what I had done buying that case lol. It cost myself as much as my cpu. I don't regret it though, got the last production run for version 3 for me and I don't want to wait another year for a production run, the current version is the version 4. The quality of the dan a4 made by lian li is excellent, the matte like anodised finish was beautiful. No dust in the box or any sharp edge in the case. Usually normal cases I would find imperfection but the a4 hardly any.

Both the gpu and cpu side have the the hole panel. For current version you have 2 92mm fan mount points at the bottom. One below the psu and one below the board. Standard thickness fan is possible below the psu, the one below the the mobo is thin 92mm fan. If you use a short gpu another 120mm can be place with the side bracket. The bracket is actually intended for 120mm aio though. Many opted the route for the 92mm asetek aio instead so long gpu can be used still. Those aio are rare though.
I'm holding off buying anything more until I see next gen gpu's. Current gen does not impress me. So I will make final decisions then.
 
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^Question is - will it sag.
No you can see the bracket with GEFORCE RTX ON IT that is a reinforced bracket that will avoid sagging.
 
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RTX 2080 Ti & cheap AIO

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What ? AIO are just there to cool down the CPU is a fast way to have good temperatures. Is way better than big chunk Noctua air cooled thing hangin out from a vertical motherboard.

Plus is not a CHEAP AIO !! Is a 140mm Corsair H90 cooler !!!

What about who buy cheap motherboard with cheap memory and even cheaper AMD cpu with rtx 2080 TI ( also with other expensive cards from AMD/Nvidia ) and playing on a 1080p monitors ? There are plenty of people like that ( JUST GO BACK IN THIS THREAD AND SEE )

Another examples are the overclockers that loves to see numbers and numbers but they do not give a s....t about games nor they are even good to play games. But they spend 1000+£$ on 2011/2066 sockets CPU just to see how many numbers they can make with them !! And what they use to display those numbers, on a cheap 17" monitor with DVI ??? A 5- 8 year old graphics card, like a GTX 550 GTX 8800 GTS !!

Full custom watercooling loop are just for aesthetics just fot the joy of your eyes like RGB on today every hardware.

And i HAD MANY FULL Watercooled desktop in my life !!!

I prefer AIO because of ease of use they bring better temps in summer compared to tower type air heatsink, and also im tired of the expense/maintenance/risk of leak of the custom water cooling setups.
 
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Hold ya horses there, no need to get mad :D

Just feels absurd that there's a 1200eur/usd graphics card and a generic single-rad Asetek AIO in the same setup.
 
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Hold ya horses there, no need to get mad :D

Just feels absurd that there's a 1200eur/usd graphics card and a generic single-rad Asetek AIO in the same setup.

what would you have said if you had seen this?



Same pricee of a generic asetek aio, perform less in summer with hot air compared to a AIO liquid cooler

Or these




Same Asetek AIO pump and radiator, they cost 300$+ than my Strix.

Here too there is an RTX 2080 Ti with an AIO asetek what do you have to say to these?
 
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That noctua would look hilarious with that ITX board.
 
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That noctua would look hilarious with that ITX board.
Thank You, You are first person to notice the elephant in the room (or actually opposite) a huge 2080ti on a mini itx board - damn.
I'd imagine that thing to rip mobo with standoffs off the case!
 
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