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What about noise? I'm dying to replace my old hdd with a 1tb ssd because of that. :/
My HDDs are in audible

If you have noisy HDDs than you have some dieing drives
 
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My WD 4005FZBX makes a very audible ticking noise that according to WD is by design. It's loud and annoying as it gets amplified by the computer case. Ended up placing it on top of bubble wrap to avoid throwing it out of the window. :)

PS. Avoid modern WD black hdds, or at the very least their 4tb line.
 
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This is why I have a 12 TB helium drive. 175 GB? Pssh, give 1.75 TB. :roll:

What about noise? I'm dying to replace my old hdd with a 1tb ssd because of that. :/
FYI, helium drives have a sharper sound to them. I don't notice it most of the time.
 
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Fallout 4 is around 80gb with the high detail upgrade some time after the launch of the game.
 
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This is why I have a 12 TB helium drive. 175 GB? Pssh, give 1.75 TB. :roll:


FYI, helium drives have a sharper sound to them. I don't notice it most of the time.
Ah my dream,, tut your reality.

In all seriousness I think a good size and spread of storage with at least one backup of Personal data is what any balanced pc and user needs.

I have 7 TB in 3 HDds with one not connected and 1.5Tb of nvme storage on two counter use drives ie I always use them to copy to and from each other ,convert etc. And important to me one sata ssd as a cache to the fitted HDds.
 
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Soon we'll need an SSD per game!! (1Tb of course....) lol :)
 
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I wonder if games will ever adapt to a hybrid storage scenario, like having files that can be slowly loaded in the background stored on mechanical drives.
 
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I wonder if games will ever adapt to a hybrid storage scenario, like having files that can be slowly loaded in the background stored on mechanical drives.
For that to happen, tiered storage in general needs to become a thing outside of enterprise/datacenter useage.
 
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FYI, helium drives have a sharper sound to them. I don't notice it most of the time.
Also makes characters who's data is stored on them sound like the chipmunks whenever they talk.
 
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If someone comes to me about storage I tell them this. This is just for Game storage.

If you want uber speed and money is no object: Samsung 970 Pro or Intel Optane
If you want perceived uber fast storage: Adata Sx 8200, S11 1TB, Silicon Power 1 TB drives
If you want fast storage: Intel 660P, Crucial P1
If you want SSD: The cheapest 1TB you can find with at least a 3 year warranty.
If you want HDD: A minimum of 3TB from any company and avoid buying them on Ebay
If you want external: A 1 or 2 SSD enclosure with an ESata port (if 2 RAID 0 support is good).

Isn't it crazy that the reverse is true for NVME vs HDD. For HDDs generally speaking the higher the capacity the lesser the cost per GB. With NVME the higher you go the more you pay. I look at things like the aforementioned Silicon Power 1TB NVME it is (Canadian) $139.99 vs $334.99 for the 2TB.
 
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Isn't it crazy that the reverse is true for NVME vs HDD. For HDDs generally speaking the higher the capacity the lesser the cost per GB. With NVME the higher you go the more you pay. I look at things like the aforementioned Silicon Power 1TB NVME it is (Canadian) $139.99 vs $334.99 for the 2TB.
It is not.
- For building an HDD, the materials are largely the same for different sizes of drives, the largest visible difference is the amount of platters. OK, electronics, motors, heads etc need to be better for more density (larger drives) but this is comparatively minor difference.
- For an SSD, the cost of parts increases linearly with size. If you want twice as large SSD you need to use twice as many Flash chips. Since flash itself makes up a large part of the cost this inevitably means linearly increasing prices. Larger Flash chips are not the right answer either - their cost also scales linearly because both transistors and resulting die area needs to increase linearly to fit more data.

There are larger SSD-s around for reasonable-ish prices these days. I went for a 2TB 660p for my games for about ~€150 which honestly sounds awesome given the amount and speed of storage as well as physical size of the drive (M.2, which also means no cables in my cramped case).
 
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It is not.
- For building an HDD, the materials are largely the same for different sizes of drives, the largest visible difference is the amount of platters. OK, electronics, motors, heads etc need to be better for more density (larger drives) but this is comparatively minor difference.
- For an SSD, the cost of parts increases linearly with size. If you want twice as large SSD you need to use twice as many Flash chips. Since flash itself makes up a large part of the cost this inevitably means linearly increasing prices. Larger Flash chips are not the right answer either - their cost also scales linearly because both transistors and resulting die area needs to increase linearly to fit more data.

There are larger SSD-s around for reasonable-ish prices these days. I went for a 2TB 660p for my games for about ~€150 which honestly sounds awesome given the amount and speed of storage as well as physical size of the drive (M.2, which also means no cables in my cramped case).

That brings up an interesting question, what is more expensive to produce? ; but is not flash like anything else in the space, cheaper the more you buy as a producer or manufacturer? If the controller is the same the difference on a 1 TB vs 2TB NVME drive would be like you are saying the cost of the extra flash on the latter drive. Would not the same drives regardless of capacity come with the same flash size in terms of modules? A 512GB SX8200 should have the same size flash modules as a 1TB just 1/2 I think it is because it is "new" that there is a premium as you go up. Not too long ago 1TB of SSD was way north of $300 (Canadian) today you can find them for $115 (Team Group). I am glad you mentioned the Intel 660P series is the only one that follows the model I am talking about. In Canada the 1TB is $134.99 and the 2TB is $259.99 and yes they are absolutely awesome price/performance drives.
 
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Soon we'll need an SSD per game!! (1Tb of course....) lol :)
Lots of market PCs come with tiny quarter TB NVMe overhype drive instead of decent size SSD.
 
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You are right, bulk is cheaper. When you look at the biggest NAND Flash manufacturers these are Samsung, Toshiba, WDC, Micron, Hynix and Intel which make up almost all of the production. Most of controller development is also done by the same companies or subsidiaries (with a couple independent controller designers still out there). There are more companies out there selling SSDs with their company name on it but the ones listed above is where the drives actually come from. There are some smaller manufacturers who at least assemble the drivers themselves but in most cases even that is left to OEM (again, one of the above).

When it comes to Flash size to use, there does not seem to be much of a choice. This varies somewhat but in the big picture - the largest currently available chip is a bit bad for $/GB but the next is the best. So most drives use similar sized flash chips. Those who need largest possible size (say, something you want to fit to an M.2 drive or the largest drive in the lineup) will get the largest chips. You cannot play around too much with the amount of Flash chips because controllers have a limited set of channels available and you would want to populate as much of these as possible.

At least a little while ago the common thing to do was to populate drive with max possible Flash chips for 1TB model, with Flash chips half the size for 500GB model and use half the chips for smaller sizes.
 

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Lots of market PCs come with tiny quarter TB NVMe overhype drive instead of decent size SSD.

They sure seem to be, I'm guessing its to make things small as possible (many for laptops I'm guessing) but hopefully that'll just help bring the prices down....
 

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Games are getting ridiculous with the storage requirements. For example I got Gears of War 1 and 4 and it took up 250 GB on my games drive.
 
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My HDDs are in audible

If you have noisy HDDs than you have some dieing drives
My case is on top of my desk, so it's quite close to me. I hear them every time they spool up, but once they're working you don't really notice them as much.
 
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Cooling Lots!! Dual GTX 560 rads with D5 pumps for each rad. One rad for each component
Memory Viper Steel 4 x 16GB DDR4 3600MHz not sure on the timings... Probably still at 2667!! :(
Video Card(s) Asus Strix 3090 with front and rear active full cover water blocks
Storage I'm bound to forget something here - 250GB OS, 2 x 1TB NVME, 2 x 1TB SSD, 4TB SSD, 2 x 8TB HD etc...
Display(s) 3 x Dell 27" S2721DGFA @ 7680 x 1440P @ 144Hz or 165Hz - working on it!!
Case The big Thermaltake that looks like a Case Mods
Audio Device(s) Onboard
Power Supply EVGA 1600W T2
Mouse Corsair thingy
Keyboard Razer something or other....
VR HMD No headset yet
Software Windows 11 OS... Not a fan!!
Benchmark Scores I've actually never benched it!! Too busy with WCG and FAH and not gaming! :( :( Not OC'd it!! :(
My recently built Ryzen gaming rig has:
1x 4TB Samsung 860 EVO (2 equal partitions)
1x 2TB 860 QVO
1x 6TB WD Black (2 equal partitions)
All above drives are for games only.

1x 2 TB Seagate Barracuda (downloads, movies, music)

All that storage and no p%$n storage :laugh: ;) :D
 
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