Z890/X870 feature dreamlist

[Darkholm]

Post Code Display. To hell with it, 10 cents per unit and it is reserved for insanely expensive boards.

 

[ShrekOC]

Just did it on accident the other day. PC shut down immediately. No harm done

I assume it's the power supply's OCP at work. I've done the same with the same outcome.

Is a C connector wide enough to short the two outer pins? Not gonna try it

it doesn't have to be. The outer shell of the port is grounded.

 

[Ruru]

Post Code Display. To hell with it, 10 cents per unit and it is reserved for insanely expensive boards.

THIS. Unbelieavable that a simple thing like that is a feature reserved only for higher-end boards.

I find it funny that ~13 years ago even a basic board like Asrock P67 Pro3 has that.

 

[Darkholm]

THIS. Unbelieavable that a simple thing like that is a feature reserved only for higher-end boards.

I find it funny that ~13 years ago even a basic board like Asrock P67 Pro3 has that.

Also, had it even earlier on 130 USD ASRock P55 Deluxe3 in pair with thermalpowerplant i7 875K (failed socket 1156 ). Now, cheapest is B650-E which is 300+ EUR in EU.

So, I locked in my crosshair one particular AM5 board - MSI Tomahawk X870 Pro. It has all bells and whistles what I need only hope is it will stay in tomahawk price range.

 

[Ruru]

Also, had it even earlier on 130 USD ASRock P55 Deluxe3 in pair with thermalpowerplant i7 875K (failed socket 1156 ). Now, cheapest is B650-E which is 300+ EUR in EU.

So, I locked in my crosshair one particular AM5 board - MSI Tomahawk X870 Pro. It has all bells and whistles what I need only hope is it will stay in tomahawk price range.

1156/1155 was a strange generation leap as Asrock had this P67 1156 frankenstein board: https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/P67 Transformer/index.asp

 

[Crazybc]

What I'd like to see is 2 slots for my memory and on top. I only ever use 2 slots anyways and the M.2 gen 5 slots positioned like on this motherboard. Keeps the NVMe drive away from the graphics card and VRM heat plus there's lots of room for higher end coolers. I like this positioning and I'll be looking for it on the new motherboards when they are released. Looks good for taking advantage of the three 140mm front intake fans to cool the drives and even for the memory as it could blow cool air right between the 2 sticks.

 

[HBSound]

Does anyone have any idea when the X870 motherboards will be released?

 

[Deleted member 229121]

My take is that for regular consumer use the Z and X chipsets are overpriced and overkill. The B-series is absolutely a better deal and more than enough in 95% of cases.
So my dream, if we are to overcome this, is to stop making Z and X motherboards have such an unreasonable premium unless they are doing something really out there (i.e extreme OC boards or an expensive 10 gig NIC).

This. I absolutely refuse to pay the ridiculous prices being asked for higher end boards now.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Does anyone have any idea when the X870 motherboards will be released?

Late Sep/early October

Last specific date I seen mentioned was September 30th.

 

[ir_cow]

Does anyone have any idea when the X870 motherboards will be released?

My guess is the day Intel releases the next CPUs just to mess with them.

 

[DaemonForce]

Does anyone have any idea when the X870 motherboards will be released?

Should make an appearance tomorrow and then an expected gap before they're on shelves in September, sooooo soon™?

What I'd like to see is 2 slots for my memory and on top. I only ever use 2 slots anyways and the M.2 gen 5 slots positioned like on this motherboard.

This might be a really good design choice. I haven't seen top row DIMMs in consumer boards since Super 7 and there are some oddball H61 and many rack boards that do it.
Memory isn't really a component that I consider to be a struggle juggle with heat. They have cool heatspreader designs and all but good.
Modern boards from X570 era really knocked it outta the park with better VRMs and Infineon has good enough designs that we might be able to compact them again.
I could picture strange 2x4+(2) power designs with SoC and everything one side only. It would be tight but could work on some loadouts, giving top row room to be 1DPC slot.
Something Deep-ITX could start to become the norm with these designs. Max feature boards with a minimum port/slot count would be ideal for a lot of people right now.

 

[Sarajiel]

What I'd like to see is 2 slots for my memory and on top. I only ever use 2 slots anyways and the M.2 gen 5 slots positioned like on this motherboard. Keeps the NVMe drive away from the graphics card and VRM heat plus there's lots of room for higher end coolers. I like this positioning and I'll be looking for it on the new motherboards when they are released. Looks good for taking advantage of the three 140mm front intake fans to cool the drives and even for the memory as it could blow cool air right between the 2 sticks.

That’s the Tachyon, intended for all sorts of extreme overclocking, including LN2 and liquid helium. If that one actually sees a mass release, you can expect it in the $700+ ballpark. The last AM5 Tachyon was basically only given to the OC influencer crowd, a few left-overs made it onto store shelves in Japan for some reason. Overall, this Intel Tachyon reminds me visually of some old EVGA extreme overclocker boards.

Putting the memory slots on top is actually fairly bad for a typical prebuilt PC or even DIY builds, since normies usually don't use memory coolers and mostly rely on convection cooling and a bit of airflow passing by. It's even worse for your typical OEM box that power manages itself via thermal throttling. To benefit from case fans, you probably need either a very, very short case or some immense static pressure to get a cooling effect similar to boards in rack-mount servers.
It also hides the RGB garbage on memory sticks behind tubes or big fin stacks. Nowadays, cosmetics inside your PC are more important than any actual function of your hardware for many folks.

Seeing more 1DPC boards in general would be a good thing, though. I'm quite surprised that we haven't seen some specific "extreme gamer" boards, like what ASRock tried to do with the "Livemixer" series for targeting streamers. Sadly, those were 2DPC.

Nevertheless, I'm really hoping that Gigabyte actually releases both the Intel and the AMD version of the Tachyon this time. Could be quite some fun if Arrow Lake isn't another turd, and AMD actually gets the software/platform part of Zen5 out at some point.

 

[Assimilator]

THIS. Unbelieavable that a simple thing like that is a feature reserved only for higher-end boards.

I find it funny that ~13 years ago even a basic board like Asrock P67 Pro3 has that.

This is my biggest problem with trying to be a PC enthusiast today. A decade-and-a-half ago the mainstream boards were oozing with full-length PCIe slots, SATA ports, USB ports, POST code displays... you name it, they had it, it was literally the case that some of these boards barely had enough space for all their bells and whistles.

Nowadays the only way to get anywhere near that sort of functionality and flexibility is to fork out for a Threadripper system. It's bullshit and I hate it.

 

[DaemonForce]

Threadripper

ASRock really seems to have a thing for tiny screechy jet engine fans. You can always fork out the $$$$ for workstation CPU+board but can't get around the dumb engineering that keeps it from staying quiet. X570 had a thing with chipset fans and that made everyone pause-buffer for a minute when hovering over the buy button but thankfully it's not loud and has software controls in case it ever gets loud. 10 years ago being a PC enthusiast meant you had room for more than one computer. Those AM3 boards were loaded with LOTS of VRMs, sata ports and a tactically correct arrangement of PCI-E g2 slots mixed with PCI. The gate to compatibility is sitting right there in those old boards. Hold onto them like they're GOLD.

AM3+ was the last stop for PCI and we're on pure PCI-E these days. Some of that PCI-E juggles sata with nvme and I think that's okay when it comes to early design teething issues but we should not see any more of it after a very FAST hop to g3/g4/g5. Like, what's the problem? Where is all this I/O getting choked the hardest? Cheap chips? The board layouts look fine. Complicated as hell but good. Not enough board space for signal? I don't buy it. There needs to be a staggering of loadouts between generations instead of alongside each new flagship chip to cater to those of us that want to migrate tons of new storage into a single workstation and then retire that to server duty somewhere down the line. I like to rack my desktop components.

It's what I did with Pentium 4 and Phenom II.
It happened to my FX and Phenom II.
It happened again with my Ryzen and FX.

Sometimes too much is too much and that's why my main pair is now Ryzen (2019) and Athlon 64 (2010).
Like, eventually we migrate everything we need into newer volumes and the old stuff dies off anyway.
Death is the first thing you expect to happen to old storage and the last thing to happen to CPUs.
The way Intel seems to have normalized it means I'll continue to be glued to consumer grade AMD for a while.
The only way I'm going to build a TRX system is if my chat funds it and I don't see that happening anytime.