Zen 3 5600x overclocking

[lance36]

Mobo
Asus Tuf gaming 570x-pro (wifi)
CPU Zen 3 5600x cooled with an galahad 360 aio
GPU RX 6800 Asus Tuf
Ram GSkill TridentZ neo 3600 F4-3600c16d-16gtznc 32gbs
Storage 2X NVMe WD 850 1TB each
Case Phanteks P500A
PSU Seasonice Prime PX0-850 80+platinum.

Little about me. I've been playing on a gaming laptop for the past 8 to 10 years haswell (i7 and gtx 970) before then I had a desktop with an OC AMD black edition CPU and I think a 500 series GPU. Awhile ago for me.
So with that out of the way here's the meat and potatoes of the post. I'm overclocking my 5600x and this is what I've got so far. 1.375v @4.75 all core OC @ 72c . My cinebench scores stock with multi 10695 single 1512 after OC multi 12014 and single of 1568. To get 4.80Ghz stable I have to volt all the way to 1.45v and only got 200 more on my multi score (Didn't do a single). My friend said wow that's kinda hot @72c but said that might be fine for AMD since he OC his i9 9900k to 5.0Ghz all core @ 50c, I do know that anything around 90 is bad. I'm looking for opinions, tips/tricks, other people experience and, is it worth it (to you if you where in my shoes).

Thanks

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[Zach_01]

72C is not that hot for a ZEN3 CPU. Their max operating temp are 90C.
What can potentially kill or "just" degrade the CPU in the long run is the static voltage you feed it in conjunction with that temp, depending on the workloads you're using.

The 5000 series CPUs came with the wonderful feature of the CurveOptimizer build in their PBO settings. This let you adjust the V/F (voltage/frequency) curve across all workloads (type and amount of load).
This is practically OC under boost behavior and also is letting you set the limits of power consumption, current(ampere) and temp. If it's not overdone by the user the CPU can hold its internal limits while boosting beyond the specified(stock) limits.

By setting it to a static voltage/frequency the CPU is with its pants down against workloads, with no way to protect it self, if the user is not know what is doing or what voltage is appropriate for what type of workload.

Ryzens are very complicated and advanced CPUs (no other like it), and your past experience with Intel or past AMD CPUs can only hurt the new one.

 

[freeagent]

If you do use a static OC don't deviate too far from your FIT voltage. They do run cool, but once you start going up from there the heat cant escape fast enough. I am of course thinking of absolute absolute full load, which does not come from cinebench or aida64 type programs. I don't normally run more than .05v more than FIT. And with something like y-cruncher I cant run more than 1.3v anyways, it's trying to draw too much jo0s and just reboots. Most I saw in hwinfo was 143w. Not bad for a 65w cpu.

Edit:

Not Y-Cruncher.. must have been Py-prime.. one of those two..

 

[INSTG8R]

Honestly no point in static OC just turn on PBO , set the max limit (200mhz)and it will do 4800-48050 all day long whenever it needs to.

 

[freeagent]

I agree if you are a regular user no point in a static oc. But just because it runs faster doesn’t make it stronger.. that was a tough one to learn.

 

[INSTG8R]

I agree if you are a regular user no point in a static oc. But just because it runs faster doesn’t make it stronger.. that was a tough one to learn.

I mean even under heavy MT loads it still sits at 4725 across most core s 4700 on the lowest., so how much stronger does it have to be?

 

[GerKNG]

if you sit at around 1.4V under load you're up to 250mv above the stock voltage and you will degrade the CPU pretty fast.

just unlock powerlimits with PBO and use the curve optimizer.

best performance, 100% safe.

 

[INSTG8R]

if you sit at around 1.4V under load you're up to 250mv above the stock voltage and you will degrade the CPU pretty fast.

just unlock powerlimits with PBO and use the curve optimizer.

best performance, 100% safe.

1.4 peak voltage using -15 Curve Optimzer. 200Mhz is the max limit

 

[Space Lynx]

I agree if you are a regular user no point in a static oc. But just because it runs faster doesn’t make it stronger.. that was a tough one to learn.

I really would love to see your BIOS settings for 4.6 ghz 1.25v stable, is that all core no dc? even w1zz needed 1.35v to get that stable in his review of the 5600x.

i just use the "Enhanced PBO option" on my MSI X570 mobo... ever since the latest BIOS its been rock solid stable. I believe I get 4750 max on 1 to 2 cores at a time when it boosts, and when it does all core it does 4.4 ghz... it never goes over 70 celsius even in benchmarks... so I am pretty happy overall... but if I could have 4.6 all core stable at 1.25v, I would do it. I don't think this chip is capable of it (unless there are other BIOS besides voltage I am not setting correctly)

 

[lance36]

Thanks for all the replies. I am new to Curve Optimizer and I'll give it a shoot! Like I said it's been a long time since I've OCed.

 

[freeagent]

Sure. It’s everything stable. Occt, Linpack, benchmarks, games, daily life.. after 4600 it’s pretty tough. I am actually running 4650.. next bump is to 1.3 for 4700. That’s the tippy top for me.

 

[Space Lynx]

Sure. It’s everything stable. Occt, Linpack, benchmarks, games, daily life.. after 4600 it’s pretty tough. I am actually running 4650.. next bump is to 1.3 for 4700. That’s the tippy top for me.

you got a golden chip there my friend. i may try to mimic these settings this weekend. we'll see.

 

[freeagent]

Have at it man! I did the same with some interconnect settings.. very helpful..

Also to run 4700 I have to turn pbo on for the extra juice.. right now it’s not on..

I mean even under heavy MT loads it still sits at 4725 across most core s 4700 on the lowest., so how much stronger does it have to be?

You would have to bench it yourself to see the differences.

 

[INSTG8R]

Have at it man! I did the same with some interconnect settings.. very helpful..

Also to run 4700 I have to turn pbo on for the extra juice.. right now it’s not on..


You would have to bench it yourself to see the differences.

Compared to what? I get 4611 i R20 I mean I just game ion my PC it’s fast enough, runs cool, I’m not sure I see your point?

 

[freeagent]

Compared to what? I get 4611 i R20 I mean I just game ion my PC it’s fast enough, runs cool, I’m not sure I see your point?

You can see it aida64.. Look at your L3 bandwidth

Also, you can check hwbot to see how your scores stack up, there are plenty of 5600X entries, heck I even have a couple in there.. but all of mine were with static numbers..

Edit again:

It’s no different than Intel in that regard, at least older Intel. Run a bench with C1e and all the green stuff on.. then dive back in and set a static oc and run that bench again.. you will see a higher score with the static oc. If it’s the same then run Linpack Xtreme and take not of your Gflop output, it should be higher with the static oc..

 

[lance36]

Alright folks, it looks like this weekend I will be watching a tutorial about PBO. Because I am doing something wrong. First I went in and "set the max limit (200mhz)and it will do 4800-4805" and my cinebench score was worse than my static @ 11358. Started messing around with some of the other features that I understand and she wouldn't boost over 4.5ghz. So I'll be back once I get educated.

 

[freeagent]

Are you using the curve optimizer? If so stop..

Use the other one and let it use the full power of the board..

Use CO after you see what kind of power it wants.. I can only go +150 with -30. It will run +200 but OCCT throws a ton of errors.

 

[lance36]

Are you using the curve optimizer? If so stop..

Use the other one and let it use the full power of the board..

Use CO after you see what kind of power it wants.. I can only go +150 with -30. It will run +200 but OCCT throws a ton of errors.

I'll have to watch a tutorial, I did my changes in BIOS and then I tried my changes in rise and master which one is better?

Alright boys I've watched a YouTube video therefore I'm now an expert . What are some good starting points for my limits PTT, TDC, and EDC. From what I've read the best PBO scalar to start with would be 10x. Let me know if that should be any different. I am running a 360mm aio, but I don't know if I should really play with the platform thermal throttle limit. I'm really looking forward to your guys's advice this is the first time I played with PBO.

 

[Zach_01]

I will apologize in advance for the language...

Who the heck is suggesting a X10 scalar?
That thing will voltage the crap out of the CPU, increase its temp, and eventually not boost too high.

ZEN2/3 CPUs are very temp sensitive and they keep boosting higher when their temp is decreased, with 50C to be the best you can get. The road to thermal throttle (ZEN2= 95C, ZEN3= 90C) is filled with all kinds of boost/performance cut.
The key for higher boost/performance is reduced temp and reduced voltage is the main way to do it. That is CurveOptimizer's deal by introducing a negative offset to the V/F curve. That works pretty well with almost all 5000 series CPUs.

Always choose BIOS for your settings.

Friendly advice: Don't be eager to OC the CPU without know it first.

Start here:

And remember... don't overdo this either. It can result in a really (long term) bad situation for your CPU. And don't run heavy stress/burn tests (like Prime95/OCCT) all day long to test stability.
They can worn-out a CPU if (PBO, CO) settings are too aggressive. Always in the long-term.

Get HWiNFO64 and start observing the CPU operational parameters at pure stock settings. Get to know it first.
A lot of things to see there, like clock speed, effective clock speed, voltages (SVI2 TFN), PB and PBO limits (PPT, EDC, TDC), Power Reporting Deviation... and many more.

FEATURE - Effective clock vs instant (discrete) clock

It has become a common practice for several years to report instant (discrete) clock values for CPUs. This method is based on knowledge of the actual bus clock (BCLK) and sampling of core ratios at specific time points. The resulting clock is then a simple result of ratio * BCLK. Such approach...

www.hwinfo.com

IMPORTANT - Explaining the AMD Ryzen "Power Reporting Deviation" -metric in HWiNFO

Ryzen CPUs for AM4 platform rely on external, motherboard sourced telemetry to determine their power consumption. The voltage, current and power telemetry is provided to the processor by the motherboard VRM controller through the AMD SVI2 interface. This information is consumed by the processors...

www.hwinfo.com

This is for 3000 series but the general rules apply to 5000 as well

Explaining AMD Ryzen Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO), AutoOC, & Benchmarks | GamersNexus

stub With the launch of the Ryzen 3000 series processors, we’ve noticed a distinct confusion among readers and viewers when it comes to the phrases “Precision Boost 2,” “XFR,” “Precision Boost Overdrive,” which is different from Precision Boost, and “AutoOC.” There is also a lot of confusion...

www.gamersnexus.net

And feel free to ask questions.

 

[lance36]

I will apologize in advance for the language...

Who the heck is suggesting a X10 scalar?
That thing will voltage the crap out of the CPU, increase its temp, and eventually not boost too high.

ZEN2/3 CPUs are very temp sensitive and they keep boosting higher when their temp is decreased, with 50C to be the best you can get. The road to thermal throttle (ZEN2= 95C, ZEN3= 90C) is filled with all kinds of boost/performance cut.
The key for higher boost/performance is reduced temp and reduced voltage is the main way to do it. That is CurveOptimizer's deal by introducing a negative offset to the V/F curve. That works pretty well with almost all 5000 series CPUs.

Always choose BIOS for your settings.

Friendly advice: Don't be eager to OC the CPU without know it first.

Start here:

And remember... don't overdo this either. It can result in a really (long term) bad situation for your CPU. And don't run heavy stress/burn tests (like Prime95/OCCT) all day long to test stability.
They can worn-out a CPU if (PBO, CO) settings are too aggressive. Always in the long-term.

Get HWiNFO64 and start observing the CPU operational parameters at pure stock settings. Get to know it first.
A lot of things to see there, like clock speed, effective clock speed, voltages (SVI2 TFN), PB and PBO limits (PPT, EDC, TDC), Power Reporting Deviation... and many more.

View attachment 201282

FEATURE - Effective clock vs instant (discrete) clock

It has become a common practice for several years to report instant (discrete) clock values for CPUs. This method is based on knowledge of the actual bus clock (BCLK) and sampling of core ratios at specific time points. The resulting clock is then a simple result of ratio * BCLK. Such approach...

www.hwinfo.com

https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/thread...ower-reporting-deviation-metric-in-hwinfo.645

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This is where I saw the 10x or heard it.

I will apologize in advance for the language...

Who the heck is suggesting a X10 scalar?
That thing will voltage the crap out of the CPU, increase its temp, and eventually not boost too high.

ZEN2/3 CPUs are very temp sensitive and they keep boosting higher when their temp is decreased, with 50C to be the best you can get. The road to thermal throttle (ZEN2= 95C, ZEN3= 90C) is filled with all kinds of boost/performance cut.
The key for higher boost/performance is reduced temp and reduced voltage is the main way to do it. That is CurveOptimizer's deal by introducing a negative offset to the V/F curve. That works pretty well with almost all 5000 series CPUs.

Always choose BIOS for your settings.

Friendly advice: Don't be eager to OC the CPU without know it first.

Start here:

And remember... don't overdo this either. It can result in a really (long term) bad situation for your CPU. And don't run heavy stress/burn tests (like Prime95/OCCT) all day long to test stability.
They can worn-out a CPU if (PBO, CO) settings are too aggressive. Always in the long-term.

Get HWiNFO64 and start observing the CPU operational parameters at pure stock settings. Get to know it first.
A lot of things to see there, like clock speed, effective clock speed, voltages (SVI2 TFN), PB and PBO limits (PPT, EDC, TDC), Power Reporting Deviation... and many more.

View attachment 201282

FEATURE - Effective clock vs instant (discrete) clock

It has become a common practice for several years to report instant (discrete) clock values for CPUs. This method is based on knowledge of the actual bus clock (BCLK) and sampling of core ratios at specific time points. The resulting clock is then a simple result of ratio * BCLK. Such approach...

www.hwinfo.com

IMPORTANT - Explaining the AMD Ryzen "Power Reporting Deviation" -metric in HWiNFO

Ryzen CPUs for AM4 platform rely on external, motherboard sourced telemetry to determine their power consumption. The voltage, current and power telemetry is provided to the processor by the motherboard VRM controller through the AMD SVI2 interface. This information is consumed by the processors...

www.hwinfo.com

This is for 3000 series but the general rules apply to 5000 as well

Explaining AMD Ryzen Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO), AutoOC, & Benchmarks | GamersNexus

stub With the launch of the Ryzen 3000 series processors, we’ve noticed a distinct confusion among readers and viewers when it comes to the phrases “Precision Boost 2,” “XFR,” “Precision Boost Overdrive,” which is different from Precision Boost, and “AutoOC.” There is also a lot of confusion...

www.gamersnexus.net

And feel free to ask ques

I will apologize in advance for the language...

Who the heck is suggesting a X10 scalar?
That thing will voltage the crap out of the CPU, increase its temp, and eventually not boost too high.

ZEN2/3 CPUs are very temp sensitive and they keep boosting higher when their temp is decreased, with 50C to be the best you can get. The road to thermal throttle (ZEN2= 95C, ZEN3= 90C) is filled with all kinds of boost/performance cut.
The key for higher boost/performance is reduced temp and reduced voltage is the main way to do it. That is CurveOptimizer's deal by introducing a negative offset to the V/F curve. That works pretty well with almost all 5000 series CPUs.

Always choose BIOS for your settings.

Friendly advice: Don't be eager to OC the CPU without know it first.

Start here:

And remember... don't overdo this either. It can result in a really (long term) bad situation for your CPU. And don't run heavy stress/burn tests (like Prime95/OCCT) all day long to test stability.
They can worn-out a CPU if (PBO, CO) settings are too aggressive. Always in the long-term.

Get HWiNFO64 and start observing the CPU operational parameters at pure stock settings. Get to know it first.
A lot of things to see there, like clock speed, effective clock speed, voltages (SVI2 TFN), PB and PBO limits (PPT, EDC, TDC), Power Reporting Deviation... and many more.

View attachment 201282

FEATURE - Effective clock vs instant (discrete) clock

It has become a common practice for several years to report instant (discrete) clock values for CPUs. This method is based on knowledge of the actual bus clock (BCLK) and sampling of core ratios at specific time points. The resulting clock is then a simple result of ratio * BCLK. Such approach...

www.hwinfo.com

IMPORTANT - Explaining the AMD Ryzen "Power Reporting Deviation" -metric in HWiNFO

Ryzen CPUs for AM4 platform rely on external, motherboard sourced telemetry to determine their power consumption. The voltage, current and power telemetry is provided to the processor by the motherboard VRM controller through the AMD SVI2 interface. This information is consumed by the processors...

www.hwinfo.com

This is for 3000 series but the general rules apply to 5000 as well

Explaining AMD Ryzen Precision Boost Overdrive (PBO), AutoOC, & Benchmarks | GamersNexus

stub With the launch of the Ryzen 3000 series processors, we’ve noticed a distinct confusion among readers and viewers when it comes to the phrases “Precision Boost 2,” “XFR,” “Precision Boost Overdrive,” which is different from Precision Boost, and “AutoOC.” There is also a lot of confusion...

www.gamersnexus.net

And feel free to ask questions.

I'm doing something wrong, I think. All right I went into precision boost overdrive and put the PTT TDC and EDC at the limits I saw in Ryzen master with everything stock. Then went into my curve optimizer for core set it to negative and brought down all my curves. All of them went down to 30. I did see some Cinabench scores better than stock. I don't think I should be able to get to 30 on all cores that seems fishy to me. The other thing is hardware monitor doesn't show me boosting over 4.2, 4.4 megahertz. Even after increasing my Max boost override by 25 MHz. I've only done it up to 50 until now. Am I supposed to change precision boost override to enable after changing my values?

 

[Zach_01]

Did you see the video I posted and read the links?

Try a 200MHz override but start with minimum negative offset (like 5) and work the way up. All cores are not created equally on a ZEN2/3 CPU. Even a 30 negative offset is too much for all cores let alone 50. Some are doing better than others.

You have to find for yourself what is best for you and what exactly you want to achieve.
Best single score of best multicore. Medium speed override with high negative offset or high speed override with low/medium negative offset (cant remember what is what right now).
You have to expand limits too (PPT at least, and EDC/TDC) but first you must see what the CPU is doing on stock (with HWiNFO64 sensors mode).

Also, HWmonitor is a very old and unsupported/obsolete piece of software, incapable to report correctly and in detail a modern and an advanced system like a ZEN3 one.
HWiNFO64 is your best bet. This was also pointed out in the video.
Didn't you see the screenshot of it I posted?

All the links/video I posted will get you started on the understanding of what is PBO and its limits (PPT/EDC/TDC) with the help of HWiNFO.

 

[lance36]

Did you see the video I posted and read the links?

Try a 200MHz override but start with minimum negative offset (like 5) and work the way up. All cores are not created equally on a ZEN2/3 CPU. Even a 30 negative offset is too much for all cores let alone 50. Some are doing better than others.

You have to find for yourself what is best for you and what exactly you want to achieve.
Best single score of best multicore. Medium speed override with high negative offset or high speed override with low/medium negative offset (cant remember what is what right now).
You have to expand limits too (PPT at least, and EDC/TDC) but first you must see what the CPU is doing on stock (with HWiNFO64 sensors mode).

Also, HWmonitor is a very old and unsupported/obsolete piece of software, incapable to report correctly and in detail a modern and an advanced system like a ZEN3 one.
HWiNFO64 is your best bet. This was also pointed out in the video.
Didn't you see the screenshot of it I posted?

All the links/video I posted will get you started on the understanding of what is PBO and its limits (PPT/EDC/TDC) with the help of HWiNFO.

I think my PPT EDC and TDC need to be much higher. I was screwing around and Ryzen master and noticed there's a tab for Creator mode which have all those settings much higher. My motherboard won't let me go past -30 on my curve. I'll try what you said with the 200 MHz and -5. I'll let you know when I get

I think my PPT EDC and TDC need to be much higher. I was screwing around and Ryzen master and noticed there's a tab for Creator mode which have all those settings much higher. My motherboard won't let me go past -30 on my curve. I'll try what you said with the 200 MHz and -5. I'll let you know when I get

Under Max load at 4.6 GHz stock I get about 69° during a cinebench run. That's completely stock

Did you see the video I posted and read the links?

Try a 200MHz override but start with minimum negative offset (like 5) and work the way up. All cores are not created equally on a ZEN2/3 CPU. Even a 30 negative offset is too much for all cores let alone 50. Some are doing better than others.

You have to find for yourself what is best for you and what exactly you want to achieve.
Best single score of best multicore. Medium speed override with high negative offset or high speed override with low/medium negative offset (cant remember what is what right now).
You have to expand limits too (PPT at least, and EDC/TDC) but first you must see what the CPU is doing on stock (with HWiNFO64 sensors mode).

Also, HWmonitor is a very old and unsupported/obsolete piece of software, incapable to report correctly and in detail a modern and an advanced system like a ZEN3 one.
HWiNFO64 is your best bet. This was also pointed out in the video.
Didn't you see the screenshot of it I posted?

All the links/video I posted will get you started on the understanding of what is PBO and its limits (PPT/EDC/TDC) with the help of HWiNFO.

I tried the 200 MHz with -5 and with cinebench running my clock speeds don't get over 4,200. My PPT is 76 TDC is 47 and EDC is 90. I don't know but I'm doing something wrong

 

[Zach_01]

I think my PPT EDC and TDC need to be much higher. I was screwing around and Ryzen master and noticed there's a tab for Creator mode which have all those settings much higher. My motherboard won't let me go past -30 on my curve. I'll try what you said with the 200 MHz and -5. I'll let you know when I get


Under Max load at 4.6 GHz stock I get about 69° during a cinebench run. That's completely stock


I tried the 200 MHz with -5 and with cinebench running my clock speeds don't get over 4,200. My PPT is 76 TDC is 47 and EDC is 90. I don't know but I'm doing something wrong

Under stock settings it’s really unlikely for the CPU to run at 4.6GHz all core load. This is the single or reduced threaded load frequency.

When you tried the 200MHz/-5 settings what was the PPT/EDC limits percentage(%) reported by HWiNFO?
Did you set PPT/EDC manually? Above the stock 76W PPT, 90A EDC.

Let me put it differently.
Did you follow instructions from that video?

 

[lance36]

I manually set the PPT/EDC to stock values when I tried the 200mghz/-5. I use cinebench to check for stability it puts all course at 100% usage. Unless I have PTO enabled instead of in advanced on my motherboard it won't boost to 4.6. when I start manually doing stuff it stays around 4.2 to 4.4.

 

[Zach_01]

If you set PPT/EDC at stock values then how do you expect PBO and curve optimizer to work?
The stock limits are for non PBO/curve optimizer function. Only for... stock boosting.

When you just enabling PBO without touching anything else the system set these values very high (600-900).

I guess you didn’t notice the limits when PBO is enabled in RyzenMaster and HWiNFO sensors mode.

Didn’t you see it in the video I posted that you need to change PPT/EDC when you use curve optimizer?

I also guess that you didn’t notice them either when you OCed the CPU to static 4.75 speed with that crazy 1.375V.

At this point, I don’t think you have paid the proper attention to the video or the links I posted.
Those was for your better understanding of PBO, its limits and how exactly works.
I was expecting questions about them and about the info you see on HWiNFO.

Personally I’m not willing to continue to help you if you don’t first get to know your system and how it works first on stock settings. Handing out just settings without anything else can be dengerous and I almost regret doing it before.

EDIT: typo