ZERO RPM problem

[Oyensorta]

I ran into a funny problem and I don't know if it's because of my sensitivity or if it's really a serious problem?
I have a 6700XT PULSE card and it is very cool
I tried to set the fan speed of this graphic with Adrenalin program along with ZERO RPM, but the problem is that whatever setting I set, the graphic does not work according to it.

For example, at a temperature of 60 degrees, I set the fan speed to 30, and at 70 degrees, I set the speed to 40.
I see that in the game, the temperature is 60, my speed is 40 degrees! And it has such errors
And when I set the fan speed with the MSI program, like in the photo I am sending, I have to tick down 2 to have ZERO RPM.
The last tick to set the fan speed to 0 is up to 45 degrees, but if I don't tick the top of it, after the game, the fan speed doesn't turn to 0 and stays at 15%, but if I tick the FORCE FAN, this happens.

My problem is that I am a DOTA2 and WORLD OF WARCRAFT game player, and these games are so light that they always run in the ZERO RPM range, so if I set the fan speed to 40 degrees, my game will be between 40 and 42 degrees.
And if I set it to 45 degrees, the temperature will remain at 45 to 47

And this causes all my graphics fans to turn off and on every 20-30 seconds and this repeats
Do you have a solution for this problem?
Or does this turning off and turning on the fan cause it to fail and is it bad?

 

[eidairaman1]

Provide a SKU Sticker please, @Zach_01 you seem to know about fan adjustments

I ran into a funny problem and I don't know if it's because of my sensitivity or if it's really a serious problem?
I have a 6700XT PULSE card and it is very cool
I tried to set the fan speed of this graphic with Adrenalin program along with ZERO RPM, but the problem is that whatever setting I set, the graphic does not work according to it.

For example, at a temperature of 60 degrees, I set the fan speed to 30, and at 70 degrees, I set the speed to 40.
I see that in the game, the temperature is 60, my speed is 40 degrees! And it has such errors
And when I set the fan speed with the MSI program, like in the photo I am sending, I have to tick down 2 to have ZERO RPM.
The last tick to set the fan speed to 0 is up to 45 degrees, but if I don't tick the top of it, after the game, the fan speed doesn't turn to 0 and stays at 15%, but if I tick the FORCE FAN, this happens.

My problem is that I am a DOTA2 and WORLD OF WARCRAFT game player, and these games are so light that they always run in the ZERO RPM range, so if I set the fan speed to 40 degrees, my game will be between 40 and 42 degrees.
And if I set it to 45 degrees, the temperature will remain at 45 to 47

And this causes all my graphics fans to turn off and on every 20-30 seconds and this repeats
Do you have a solution for this problem?
Or does this turning off and turning on the fan cause it to fail and is it bad?

View attachment 375175

 

[Oyensorta]

Provide a SKU Sticker please, @Zach_01 you seem to know about fan adjustments

I need help

 

[Zach_01]

I ran into a funny problem and I don't know if it's because of my sensitivity or if it's really a serious problem?
I have a 6700XT PULSE card and it is very cool
I tried to set the fan speed of this graphic with Adrenalin program along with ZERO RPM, but the problem is that whatever setting I set, the graphic does not work according to it.

For example, at a temperature of 60 degrees, I set the fan speed to 30, and at 70 degrees, I set the speed to 40.
I see that in the game, the temperature is 60, my speed is 40 degrees! And it has such errors
And when I set the fan speed with the MSI program, like in the photo I am sending, I have to tick down 2 to have ZERO RPM.
The last tick to set the fan speed to 0 is up to 45 degrees, but if I don't tick the top of it, after the game, the fan speed doesn't turn to 0 and stays at 15%, but if I tick the FORCE FAN, this happens.

My problem is that I am a DOTA2 and WORLD OF WARCRAFT game player, and these games are so light that they always run in the ZERO RPM range, so if I set the fan speed to 40 degrees, my game will be between 40 and 42 degrees.
And if I set it to 45 degrees, the temperature will remain at 45 to 47

And this causes all my graphics fans to turn off and on every 20-30 seconds and this repeats
Do you have a solution for this problem?
Or does this turning off and turning on the fan cause it to fail and is it bad?

View attachment 375175

There was a thread a while back discussing about zero rpm and if the frequent stop/start can hurt the fans.
Seemed like people were in half. Others believe it can and others not.

Personally I think that what ever the stress is when a fan starts is minimized by the fact that it starts on minimum rpm and then ramps up.
I use zero rpm because it saves dust on the GPU cooler and the fans, and maybe some MTBF too. Although I believe that the fans used are high quality, at least in recent years.
I have no concerns about a fan failing. The only time I saw a GPU fan failing was on a mining rig that was running 24/7, high speed for 2+years. And that was from 1 specific model of RX580.

So... this is my settings for my 7900XTX
I cant say to copy them but maybe will give you ideas of how to set yours.



With this the fans start at 67C hotspot and stop around 50C hotspot.

 

[eidairaman1]

I need help

There is a sku sticker located on the card, please get a picture of it, it might be on the backside of the card or on the heatsink located by the pcie blade.

 

[Oyensorta]

There is a sku sticker located on the card, please get a picture of it, it might be on the backside of the card or on the heatsink located by the pcie blade.

What do you want this for and is there a card on the card that I should take?

There was a thread a while back discussing about zero rpm and if the frequent stop/start can hurt the fans.
Seemed like people were in half. Others believe it can and others not.

Personally I think that what ever the stress is when a fan starts is minimized by the fact that it starts on minimum rpm and then ramps up.
I use zero rpm because it saves dust on the GPU cooler and the fans, and maybe some MTBF too. Although I believe that the fans used are high quality, at least in recent years.
I have no concerns about a fan failing. The only time I saw a GPU fan failing was on a mining rig that was running 24/7, high speed for 2+years. And that was from 1 specific model of RX580.

So... this is my settings for my 7900XTX
I cant say to copy them but maybe will give you ideas of how to set yours.

View attachment 375511

With this the fans start at 67C hotspot and stop around 50C hotspot.

There was a thread a while back discussing about zero rpm and if the frequent stop/start can hurt the fans.
Seemed like people were in half. Others believe it can and others not.

Personally I think that what ever the stress is when a fan starts is minimized by the fact that it starts on minimum rpm and then ramps up.
I use zero rpm because it saves dust on the GPU cooler and the fans, and maybe some Can you tell me what MTBF means? I didn't understand this either too. Although I believe that the fans used are high quality, at least in recent years.
I have no concerns about a fan failing. The only time I saw a GPU fan failing was on a mining rig that was running 24/7, high speed for 2+years. And that was from 1 specific model of RX580.

So... this is my settings for my 7900XTX
I cant say to copy them but maybe will give you ideas of how to set yours.

View attachment 375511

With this the fans start at 67C hotspot and stop around 50C hotspot.

The fact that the temperature is based on hotspots is a bit annoying
But I did not understand that you say that you activate ZERO RPM so that dust does not come, does it mean that turning it off causes less dust to enter the fan motor?
Can you tell me what MTBF means? I didn't understand this either
And I think that the range of ZERO RPM in your range is different from mine, is it true or were you able to make changes in it yourself?
Are you in adrenaline sometimes causing your TUNNING changes to jump? This happens to me a lot

 

[eidairaman1]

What do you want this for and is there a card on the card that I should take?




The fact that the temperature is based on hotspots is a bit annoying
But I did not understand that you say that you activate ZERO RPM so that dust does not come, does it mean that turning it off causes less dust to enter the fan motor?
Can you tell me what MTBF means? I didn't understand this either
And I think that the range of ZERO RPM in your range is different from mine, is it true or were you able to make changes in it yourself?
Are you in adrenaline sometimes causing your TUNNING changes to jump? This happens to me a lot

It is to identify what your specific card is as there are several cards with the same name under the same series of chips

Fyi being a sapphire card i ask for that info because i can typically find info needed via that number, SKU is Stock Keeping Unit.

 

[Oyensorta]

It is to identify what your specific card is as there are several cards with the same name under the same series of chips

Fyi being a sapphire card i ask for that info because i can typically find info needed via that number, SKU is Stock Keeping Unit.

 

[eidairaman1]

Sapphire mentions Intelligent Fan Control on their product page but nothing about 0 RPM on it for your SKU, also your bios sub System ID number is E445. Today's cards have more temperature sensors to better manage heat, it is a balancing act.

 

[Oyensorta]

Sapphire mentions Intelligent Fan Control on their product page but nothing about 0 RPM on it for your SKU, also your bios sub System ID number is E445. Today's cards have more temperature sensors to better manage heat, it is a balancing act.

But there is an option to turn off the fan in adrenaline, and if I activate it, I can get it. My problem is in the afterburner bug, without the 2 options I mentioned in the picture above, I can't get the aftergame fan 0.

 

[eidairaman1]

Yeah not all functions are going to be supported by every card out there using afterburner. Use the adrenalin software.

You might send an email to Sapphire Technical Support about it even.

You are probably going outside of the scope of what the card is designed for in the bios and fan controller by trying to use a function not specifically designed for it, so you probably are getting an undesired effect that may not be able to be resolved.

Products will advertise if they have a fan stop function on their product page.

I will mention however you have a better built card unlike the 1s from the big 3 motherboard makers...

Also Afterburner has been causing lagginess on certain peoples hardware, so blame their software, not the card.

You might even go on msi forums or contact their technical support about their software since they developed it.

 

[kapone32]

But there is an option to turn off the fan in adrenaline, and if I activate it, I can get it. My problem is in the afterburner bug, without the 2 options I mentioned in the picture above, I can't get the aftergame fan 0.

You do know that AMD has an overlay? That means you don't even need to use Afterburner.

 

[Zach_01]

The fact that the temperature is based on hotspots is a bit annoying
But I did not understand that you say that you activate ZERO RPM so that dust does not come, does it mean that turning it off causes less dust to enter the fan motor?
Can you tell me what MTBF means? I didn't understand this either
And I think that the range of ZERO RPM in your range is different from mine, is it true or were you able to make changes in it yourself?
Are you in adrenaline sometimes causing your TUNNING changes to jump? This happens to me a lot

MTBF

Mean time between failures - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Every fan that spins and pushes air also pushes dust too. After months, dust is build up on coolers and the fan blades also. I'm sure you've seen it at some point.
Fans and coolers on open air without dust filters that working non stop usually need cleaning 3-4 times per year. Dust on coolers decrease air quantity through them. Dust on fan blades decrease their performance on moving air and some times it can throw balance off with long term unpleasant consequences on fan bearings.
So having zero rpm you are delaying the dust build up.
Depending how often playing a game and for how long a GPU should need cleaning once per year or even once per 1.5~2 years if zero rpm in on.

The range of fan spin when zero rpm is on of course would be different from card to card. GPU vendors (MSI, Sapphire, GB, ASUS, AsRock and so...) are configuring their GPUs differently through their own VBIOS.

And no my settings as you saw them in my screenshot are staying stable and only need reconfigured when new adrenalin version is installed.

I'm still waiting BTW to see your settings on GPU performance >> tuning page...

 

[eidairaman1]

MTBF

Mean time between failures - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Every fan that spins and pushes air also pushes dust too. After months, dust is build up on coolers and the fan blades also. I'm sure you've seen it at some point
Fans and coolers on open air without dust filters that working non stop usually need cleaning 3-4 times per year. So having zero rpm you are delaying the dust build up.
Depending how often playing a game and for how long a GPU should need cleaning once per year or even once per 1.5~2 years if zero rpm in on.

The range of fan spin when zero rpm is on of course would be different from card to card. GPU vendors (MSI, Sapphire, GB, ASUS, AsRock and so...) are configuring their GPUs differently through their own VBIOS.

And no my settings as you saw them in my screenshot are staying stable and only need reconfigured when new adrenalin version is installed.

I'm still waiting BTW to see your settings on GPU performance >> tuning page...

View attachment 375679

His complaint is using the msi software, which to me using 2 different softwares to control fans causes a conflict which confuses the bios on the card. But yeah i guess we will wait...

 

[Zach_01]

His complaint is using the msi software, which to me using 2 different softwares to control fans causes a conflict which confuses the bios on the card. But yeah i guess we will wait...

Thanks for the reminder
Yeah forgot to comment on that...
I stop using Afterburner years ago for the same reason with the 5700XT. Fan was starting but never stop.
At some point I felt like the software was left behind in comparison to adrenalin at least for configuring the GPU's operating parameters (MHz, VRam, Vcore, Fans...)

 

[Oyensorta]

You do know that AMD has an overlay? That means you don't even need to use Afterburner. View attachment 375672

I meant for fan speed and this context, not overlay
Adrenaline clears the settings sometimes or sets them based on hotspots

MTBF

Mean time between failures - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Every fan that spins and pushes air also pushes dust too. After months, dust is build up on coolers and the fan blades also. I'm sure you've seen it at some point.
Fans and coolers on open air without dust filters that working non stop usually need cleaning 3-4 times per year. Dust on coolers decrease air quantity through them. Dust on fan blades decrease their performance on moving air and some times it can throw balance off with long term unpleasant consequences on fan bearings.
So having zero rpm you are delaying the dust build up.
Depending how often playing a game and for how long a GPU should need cleaning once per year or even once per 1.5~2 years if zero rpm in on.

The range of fan spin when zero rpm is on of course would be different from card to card. GPU vendors (MSI, Sapphire, GB, ASUS, AsRock and so...) are configuring their GPUs differently through their own VBIOS.

And no my settings as you saw them in my screenshot are staying stable and only need reconfigured when new adrenalin version is installed.

I'm still waiting BTW to see your settings on GPU performance >> tuning page...

View attachment 375679

Honestly, it is empty for me and I did not set anything and it is set on the afterburner program
That my graphic gives a temperature of 60 degrees with a hot spot of 75 to 80 degrees on the fan speed of 30%.
But when I use Adrenaline, I get the same temperature with the fan speed of 40. Is it a problem if my fan speed increases or not? If I figure this out, I might be able to set something good

His complaint is using the msi software, which to me using 2 different softwares to control fans causes a conflict which confuses the bios on the card. But yeah i guess we will wait...

Yes, you are right, but there is an option, msi, which is in the picture, I think it forces the fans to only support msi, I don't know if this is true or not

Thanks for the reminder
Yeah forgot to comment on that...
I stop using Afterburner years ago for the same reason with the 5700XT. Fan was starting but never stop.
At some point I felt like the software was left behind in comparison to adrenalin at least for configuring the GPU's operating parameters (MHz, VRam, Vcore, Fans...)

I want to say that my problem is this
In Adrenaline, the technical speed that I want to set is not done. For example, I send you a picture and I set it to 60, for example, the fan speed is 30, but in the game with a temperature of 60, the fan speed goes up to 40, even 45!

And I feel that this is very bad
I even felt that sometimes when the setting is set in adrenaline games, they don't obey it and the fan spins on its own.
I reinstalled the driver or adrenaline several times, but the problem was the same
I don't want to push the fans because of 15% more adrenaline and see them fail sooner.

Of course, in this photo, the zero rpm option is turned off. If I turn it on, the fans turn off


And I have a question and I wanted to know if the fan speed has anything to do with the graphics load? That is, if Adrenaline feels that the temperature of the graphics is a little high, but the load on the graphics is not so much, it should not turn on the fans? For example, the range of the fan is 0 to 50 degrees
In the game Dota 2 or League, when the graphics load is not so much, but the temperature reaches 52 degrees, do not turn on the fans? Or leave the fans on when it reaches 48 degrees?

 

[damric]

I have been using Afterburner for many many years and with more recent Radeon cards the fan control is quite terrible. I suggest NOT using Afterburner.

I have also noticed that on some non-reference Radeons that even the fan settings dialed in the Radeon driver will revert to those on the BIOS, so you can't really win. Seen this on about a dozen cards already starting with Polaris, but I am yet to see it on the top tier cards. So maybe they are using cheap controllers on most. It's annoying.

 

[freeagent]

I haven't used AB on my Nvidia GPU's for about 4 years now.

On my GTX580 that software is completely useless.

 

[Oyensorta]

I have been using Afterburner for many many years and with more recent Radeon cards the fan control is quite terrible. I suggest NOT using Afterburner.

I have also noticed that on some non-reference Radeons that even the fan settings dialed in the Radeon driver will revert to those on the BIOS, so you can't really win. Seen this on about a dozen cards already starting with Polaris, but I am yet to see it on the top tier cards. So maybe they are using cheap controllers on most. It's annoying.

See, it adjusts the fan speed well, exactly as I want. My problem is only with ZERO RPM, which does not turn off the fans after the game.

 

[damric]

I haven't used AB on my Nvidia GPU's for about 4 years now.

On my GTX580 that software is completely useless.

yeah I pretty much only use it as a soft mod to exceed clock and voltage limits, but even for that scenario it's practically useless on newer cards.

 

[freeagent]

See, it adjusts the fan speed well, exactly as I want. My problem is only with ZERO RPM, which does not turn off the fans after the game.

Maybe the card in the box does not have 0 RPM mode?

I know it says it does.. but maybe it really doesn't?

 

[Oyensorta]

Maybe the card in the box does not have 0 RPM mode?

I know it says it does.. but maybe it really doesn't?

Are you saying that this 0 RPM can be a software feature and happen in adrenaline? Not automatically in my card's bios? Maybe so

I deleted the afterburner and set adrenaline, but every time I boot, it resets and goes to the default mode