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If you have a 1080/1080ti, then a 2070 wont give the "best experience you ever had", so Isn't that a wrong conclusion? If you have a "lower" card, then surely a upgrade to 2070 will give you a greater experience than previous. But you have to pay premium to get that experience. A 1080/1080ti(even used) will give you the same or better experience at the same cost or lower?

If the user that has a 1080/1080Ti doesn't have the ability to draw a conclusion that the 2070 isn't better than what they already have, then the user is to blame.
 

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If the user that has a 1080/1080Ti doesn't have the ability to draw a conclusion that the 2070 isn't better than what they already have, then the user is to blame.
2070 is an overall faster card (than the 1080, not the Ti, of course). Better, that heavily depends on the context ;)
 
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I just hope consumers are voting with their wallets and not buying these cards (not aimed at Zotac directly but rather nVidia) at current prices.

I’de love to replace my dead 780Ti with something newer than the amd4870 I salvaged, but these prices make that an easy no go.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Why not a 1080Ti or a 1080? Get them before they are gone or your only choice is to sit on a card you can draw faster than....
 
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Why not a 1080Ti or a 1080? Get them before they are gone or your only choice is to sit on a card you can draw faster than....
In USA is almost impossible to buy a new gtx 1080 (ti). Maybe second hand ones. Gtx 1080 with a nice deal.
 

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In USA is almost impossible to buy a new gtx 1080 (ti). Maybe second hand ones. Gtx 1080 with a nice deal.
Rumor has it they're not being manufactured anymore.
 
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Only the 2080 Ti is an actual "upgrade".

2070 is more of a side-grade to 1080 (if you compare "apples to apples", as in.. let's say Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme to this one in the review, the difference is small).
I personally have an 1080 AMP! (not extreme) and it easily clocks at 2050, even 2100 if I push the voltage. Not sure what 2070 can offer ... just higher price?

2080 would also be a side-grade to existing 1080 Ti owners, or even a downgrade considering it has less RAM (while being slightly faster in some cases)

So back to 2080 Ti...
DAT PRICE.

I just hope consumers are voting with their wallets and not buying these cards
Unfortunately, it seems that people in the market for high-end have more money than brains, so they are "voting" by actually opening those wallets.

Now it's 1200+ $/Euro ... How much for 3080 Ti ? 1500 ? 2000 ? How about 4080 Ti ? $3000 or $4000 ?

You might say that I'm crazy... that prices cannot go that high.
But remember, there was some time in the past not so long ago a card called GeForce2 GTS, at that time the highest end card available... and it costed $300.
Sure, current cards are much more complex. BUT, for that time, it was the best that can be produced, bar none. And it costed $300.
Currency didn't devalue that much in 18 years.
Inflation adjusted, that's ~$440, still way, way less than what the "best" sells today.

10 more years with this stranglehold monopoly on gaming... and mark my words, you'll see $3000-$4000 "consumer" cards from NV.
(p.s. - They already charge that much or more on "Pro" versions, which are basically the same)
 
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Why not a 1080Ti or a 1080? Get them before they are gone or your only choice is to sit on a card you can draw faster than....

I’ve been keeping my eyes out and came real close on a used evga hybrid 1080ti for ~$650 CDN but didn’t want to worry about the pump. I don’t trust buying off kijiji or ebay or want to deal with importing stuff from the US so my options are quite limited (albeit self imposed).
 

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Thanks for the test. I think price/performance discussion is completely irrelevant in this context. Nobody is forced to buy the RTX Cards. Also, nobody needs those cards. It´s a matter of what you want to own and what you are willing to pay for it.
 
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@W1zzard

Could you explain this to me please?
On first page we see 2070 is priced $499 vs $640 for Zotac, so thats 128% of base level 2070.
On page 33 we see 2070 at 94% (1440p) vs Zotac 100%, so thats 106,4% of base level 2070.
And on page 35 we see that both regular 2070 and Zotac have 100% in perf/dollar (again 1440p).
So how can something that costs 28% more and performs 6,4% better have the same perf/dollar?

If Im not missing anything perf/dollar of this Zotac is 83% of regular 2070
 

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@W1zzard

Could you explain this to me please?
On first page we see 2070 is priced $499 vs $640 for Zotac, so thats 128% of base level 2070.
On page 33 we see 2070 at 94% (1440p) vs Zotac 100%, so thats 106,4% of base level 2070.
And on page 35 we see that both regular 2070 and Zotac have 100% in perf/dollar (again 1440p).
So how can something that costs 28% more and performs 6,4% better have the same perf/dollar?

If Im not missing anything perf/dollar of this Zotac is 83% of regular 2070
$499 is the MSRP for 3rd parties. But the "regular" 2070 in the following pages is actually the 2070 FE.
 
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So maybe someone should go back and remove RTX, DLSS features as a positive from all the reviews...

https://www.techpowerup.com/249557/battlefield-v-with-rtx-initial-tests-performance-halved

Like a mentioned before, how can an untested set of features be listed as positive is so strange to me. Its like buying a Tesla with Elon Musk saying "Some day in the future, this car will be autonomous" and then the reviewer is saying that autonomous driving is great about the car, but never tested it. You can't list stuff as good on a promise.

On 2080ti you are getting 1080p/60fps. Good luck playing on 2080/2070.
 

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So maybe someone should go back and remove RTX, DLSS features as a positive from all the reviews...

https://www.techpowerup.com/249557/battlefield-v-with-rtx-initial-tests-performance-halved

Like a mentioned before, how can an untested set of features be listed as positive is so strange to me. Its like buying a Tesla with Elon Musk saying "Some day in the future, this car will be autonomous" and then the reviewer is saying that autonomous driving is great about the car, but never tested it. You can't list stuff as good on a promise.

On 2080ti you are getting 1080p/60fps. Good luck playing on 2080/2070.

Settle down man, this is day 1 of RTX. :toast:
 

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So maybe someone should go back and remove RTX, DLSS features as a positive from all the reviews...

https://www.techpowerup.com/249557/battlefield-v-with-rtx-initial-tests-performance-halved

Like a mentioned before, how can an untested set of features be listed as positive is so strange to me. Its like buying a Tesla with Elon Musk saying "Some day in the future, this car will be autonomous" and then the reviewer is saying that autonomous driving is great about the car, but never tested it. You can't list stuff as good on a promise.

On 2080ti you are getting 1080p/60fps. Good luck playing on 2080/2070.
On a tech site, new tech is always a pro.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Calm isn't requesting someone go back and remove points from a review. That talking point stems from emotion, not rational thought...

The positive is that it is new tech and from the demos, makes things look awesome. Performance, from what we know, isn't positive, but again it is the FIRST time this was implemented in a game and on GPUs... this happens and most certainly doesn't warrant such a knee jerk reaction and to not mention both the positives AND negatives as his review and most others have done.
 

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Calm isn't requesting someone go back and remove points from a review. That talking point stems from emotion, not rational thought...

The positive is that it is new tech and from the demos, makes things look awesome. Performance, from what we know, isn't positive, but again it is the FIRST time this was implemented in a game and on GPUs... this happens and most certainly doesn't warrant such a knee jerk reaction and to not mention both the positives AND negatives as his review and most others have done.
Regardless on how entitled people are, this is tech that for decades required render farms and offline work, that is now starting to work in real time. That is a huge step in the right direction. It's not the last step, but it's still huge in my book.
 

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I've read both of your reviews (This and the MSI RTX 2070 Gaming Z) but am still split on which one to buy. If you had to choose one, which one would you go with?
 

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I've read both of your reviews (This and the MSI RTX 2070 Gaming Z) but am still split on which one to buy. If you had to choose one, which one would you go with?
Nobody can tell you that. 2080 is significantly faster, so worth it if you have the cash to spare. But if you're not going to play the latest and greatest or don't plan on playing at 4k, you might not need the 2080.
Here's another comparison that may help you decide: https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/10/22/rtx_2070_vs_2080_gtx_1080_ti_1070/
 

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