The AMD Phenom II OC'ers Club

jjFarking · Jan 26, 2010

I knew you'd see that too :laugh:

crazyeyesreaper · Jan 26, 2010

id dream i was a millionair with a suit made of money and id be like hugh hefner man have the women chase me around trying to take each $100 bill used to make my suit till its time for the real fun to begin :toast:

oh yea dreams rule the only time a poor broke 21 year old can be a rich young hugh hefner and get away with it :roll:

besides when you have money who can say no to a face

<---- like that

Chicken Patty · Jan 26, 2010

crazyeyesreaper said:
its a secret CP

and not only toilet paper and food imagine the awesome dreams id be hibernating dreaming all kinds of crazy stuff and id save some trees a cow or 2 lol

Make sure you have some spare bed covers for when you wake up :laugh:

PaulieG · Jan 26, 2010

Question guys. Will the 6 core Thuban work on 790FX chipsets with a bios update, or is it 890 only?

crazyeyesreaper · Jan 26, 2010

Thuban SHOULD work on AM2+ / AM3 so my guess is it should work just fine since its just another Opty turned Phenom II :toast:

eidairaman1 · Jan 26, 2010

only thing i doubt that the 6core will run on is less than the 770

crazyeyesreaper · Jan 26, 2010

possibly far as i know its all about bios size the original reason that older AM2 boards couldnt use Phenom or Phenom IIs was due to the size of bios so as long as the bios size is large enough any AM2+ with a proper bios update and any AM3 board should have Thuban as a drop in upgrade

Chicken Patty · Jan 26, 2010

based on AMD"s very friendly upgrade path, I'd say it would work.

BlackOmega · Jan 26, 2010

eidairaman1 said:
Benchmarks are good n all but i go for realworld performance, thats what made me switch from Intel to AMD back in the day.

Same here, I had a 423 pin P4 2.0 with RDRAM (Dell) and realized in a great big hurry that it was too costly to upgrade. Did my research and it turned out AMD at the time (939 days) had a CPU that was 20x faster than intels.

Chicken Patty said:
same as my specs on the left but with a i7 and a EVGA 3x sli board.

That's the board I'm planning on using. Already got the CPU, the RAM and PSU (Seasonic 850w) is on it's way. Got to wait a little while longer to get the board unfortunately.

Chicken Patty said:
Not bashing the i7, I loved it. Realword performance is unreal as well, but the AMD just feels snappier. I don't know why but I love it.

You know, RAM timings play a huge role in how "snappy" a rig feels. I can my 720 "feel" really snappy or really sluggish just by changing 1 or 2 timings. So it's all relative.

Chicken Patty · Jan 26, 2010

BlackOmega said:
Same here, I had a 423 pin P4 2.0 with RDRAM (Dell) and realized in a great big hurry that it was too costly to upgrade. Did my research and it turned out AMD at the time (939 days) had a CPU that was 20x faster than intels.

That's the board I'm planning on using. Already got the CPU, the RAM and PSU (Seasonic 850w) is on it's way. Got to wait a little while longer to get the board unfortunately.

You know, RAM timings play a huge role in how "snappy" a rig feels. I can my 720 "feel" really snappy or really sluggish just by changing 1 or 2 timings. So it's all relative.

My timings right now are tighter than when I had the i7, but even at the same timings it's still snappier.

That board is awesome. I was able to hit over 223 BCLK, over 4.7 GHz. I had a very good CPU, but the board helped a lot.

BlackOmega · Jan 26, 2010

Chicken Patty said:
My timings right now are tighter than when I had the i7, but even at the same timings it's still snappier.

That board is awesome. I was able to hit over 223 BCLK, over 4.7 GHz. I had a very good CPU, but the board helped a lot.

Yeah the timings seem to affect real world performance more on AMD's. How it affects the i7? That is yet for me to determine.

I spent a good few days getting my RAM to 1600 CAS7. I'm sure I'll do the same with the i7.

(unfortunately the RAM I'm going to be using is worse quality

)

Chicken Patty · Jan 26, 2010

BlackOmega said:
Yeah the timings seem to affect real world performance more on AMD's. How it affects the i7? That is yet for me to determine.

I spent a good few days getting my RAM to 1600 CAS7. I'm sure I'll do the same with the i7. (unfortunately the RAM I'm going to be using is worse quality )

the RAM i'm using clocks better with i7. I don't know if it's a Intel thing, but it did.

BlackOmega · Jan 26, 2010

Chicken Patty said:
the RAM i'm using clocks better with i7. I don't know if it's a Intel thing, but it did.

What are you running it at? And what's it rated for?

Velvet Wafer · Jan 26, 2010

crazyeyesreaper said:
well i wonder is it possible for a person to hibernate for 5 weeks?? anybody know ?

just ask you doctor for a family pack flunitrazepam. but that will probably trigger an addiction.
naaah, a real hardware junk can throw off such irrelevancies! :laugh:

Chicken Patty · Jan 26, 2010

BlackOmega said:
What are you running it at? And what's it rated for?

Currently

BlackOmega · Jan 26, 2010

Chicken Patty said:
Currently

http://img.techpowerup.org/100125/Capture348.jpg

Hmm..... You're on a C3, you should be able to get your RAM and NB higher. Do you have a voltage setting called CPU PHY or CPU VDDQ? If you do try raising that to 1.3 and go for higher clocks.

p_o_s_pc · Jan 26, 2010

Velvet Wafer said:
just ask you doctor for a family pack flunitrazepam. but that will probably trigger an addiction.
naaah, a real hardware junk can throw off such irrelevancies!

that is something that scared the shit out of me. I was with some friends that tried it. I won't touch it.

speaking of i7's my 920 should be here in the morning

Chicken Patty · Jan 26, 2010

BlackOmega said:
Hmm..... You're on a C3, you should be able to get your RAM and NB higher. Do you have a voltage setting called CPU PHY or CPU VDDQ? If you do try raising that to 1.3 and go for higher clocks.

No I don't have that setting. I have already tried everything possible to run this RAM higher and it is not stable. Maybe it has degraded or maybe it's just not good with AMD. I am running a tri channel kit meaning three sticks. That might have an affect as it's running dual channel, but the last two slots only have one stick.

BlackOmega · Jan 26, 2010

Chicken Patty said:
No I don't have that setting. I have already tried everything possible to run this RAM higher and it is not stable. Maybe it has degraded or maybe it's just not good with AMD. I am running a tri channel kit meaning three sticks. That might have an affect as it's running dual channel, but the last two slots only have one stick.

Yeah you'd be better off pulling that third stick or getting one more to match. Running it unbalanced like will most definitely cause instability.

I only mentioned that because most C3's that I have seen overclocked by someone that took their time have all had the NB between 2800 and 3k and RAM easily past the 1600 mark.

jjFarking · Jan 26, 2010

There's no point setting the NB higher. Remember the rule-of-thumb that NB = 3x RAM speed.
So.. 1600MHz RAM benefits most from a NB @ 2400MHz / 1333MHz is fine at 2000MHz / etc.
Benefits come in raising the NB if you start OCing the FSB, but then you'd have to relax the RAM timings a bit of course.
As was pointed out a few pages ago, if you can get your RAM's read speed as close to, or equal to the L3 cache read speed, you're on a winner. Above or below at any significant level, yields less performance and may even decrease performance in things like games, even at higher settings.
:toast:

EDIT:
erocker's post #7813

Chicken Patty · Jan 26, 2010

BlackOmega said:
Yeah you'd be better off pulling that third stick or getting one more to match. Running it unbalanced like will most definitely cause instability.

I only mentioned that because most C3's that I have seen overclocked by someone that took their time have all had the NB between 2800 and 3k and RAM easily past the 1600 mark.

Yeah this RAM is just to have the rig running. It's running at a conservative 3.8 GHz, feels really nice. When I have some cash I'll get some nice RAM to go with it and then I can really say I'll tweak it. In the meantime I'm screwed.

jjFarking said:
There's no point setting the NB higher. Remember the rule-of-thumb that NB = 3x RAM speed.
So.. 1600MHz RAM benefits most from a NB @ 2400MHz / 1333MHz is fine at 2000MHz / etc.
Benefits come in raising the NB if you start OCing the FSB, but then you'd have to relax the RAM timings a bit of course.
As was pointed out a few pages ago, if you can get your RAM's read speed as close to, or equal to the L3 cache read speed, you're on a winner. Above or below at any significant level, yields less performance and may even decrease performance in things like games, even at higher settings.

I missed that, interesting point. :toast:

jjFarking · Jan 26, 2010

He had a good way of describing exactly what I had come across as well.
In the old days, I just made sure I could get the various values as close as possible to a 1:1 ratio (RAM-CPU).
Of course, the speeds nowadays are just off the scale to use the same type of setup :laugh:

The analogy is the same though.

Chicken Patty · Jan 26, 2010

jjFarking said:
He had a good way of describing exactly what I had come across as well.
In the old days, I just made sure I could get the various values as close as possible to a 1:1 ratio (RAM-CPU).
Of course, the speeds nowadays are just off the scale to use the same type of setup
The analogy is the same though.

Like I said, once I have some good RAM it's worth trying to tweak it and I'll give it a shot. For now I'm happy the rig is running and so smoothly, even on a i7 install of windows :laugh:

jjFarking · Jan 26, 2010

What are you getting?

Chicken Patty · Jan 26, 2010

jjFarking said:
What are you getting?

Either something Corsair or ripjaws/tridents.

System Name	Frankenstein C3
Processor	AMD Phenom II X4 965BE C3
Motherboard	Asus M4A79T DeLuxe
Cooling	Aywun A1-V10
Memory	Corsair XMS3 DDR3 (2x2GB @ 1333MHz)
Video Card(s)	XFX HD 5850 @ 775/1125
Storage	Seagate 250gb/500gb/1tb
Display(s)	BENQ E2200HD
Case	Thermaltake Element S (VK60001W2Z)
Audio Device(s)	X-Fi Elite Pro
Power Supply	Zalman ZM600-HP
Software	Windows 7 Ultimate 32-bit

System Name	Old reliable
Processor	Intel 8700K @ 4.8 GHz
Motherboard	MSI Z370 Gaming Pro Carbon AC
Cooling	Custom Water
Memory	32 GB Crucial Ballistix 3666 MHz
Video Card(s)	MSI GTX 1080 Ti Gaming X
Storage	3x SSDs 2x HDDs
Display(s)	Dell U2412M + Samsung TA350
Case	Thermaltake Core P3 TG
Audio Device(s)	Samson Meteor Mic / Generic 2.1 / KRK KNS 6400 headset
Power Supply	Zalman EBT-1000
Mouse	Mionix NAOS 7000
Keyboard	Mionix

Processor	AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D
Motherboard	ASUS ROG Crosshair X670E Hero
Cooling	ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 360 A-RGB // X12 Phanteks D30-120 D-RGB Fans
Memory	G.SKILL Trident Z5 Neo RGB Series (AMD Expo) DDR5 RAM 32GB (2x16GB) 6000MT/s CL30
Video Card(s)	ZOTAC Gaming GeForce RTX 4090 AMP Extreme AIRO
Storage	Samsung Pro 980 2TB NVMe (OS and Games) // WD Black 10TB HDD (Storage)
Display(s)	SAMSUNG 34-Inch SJ55W Ultrawide Gaming Monitor (LS34J550WQNXZA) – 75Hz Refresh WQHD Computer Monitor
Case	Phanteks NV7
Power Supply	Seasonic Vertex GX-1200, 1200W 80+ Gold, ATX 3.0
Software	Windows 11 Pro

Processor	5800x(2)/5700g/5600x/5600g/2700x/1700x/1700
Motherboard	MSI B550 Carbon (2)/ MSI z490 Unify/Asus Strix B550-F/MSI B450 Tomahawk (3)
Cooling	EK AIO 360 (2)/EK AIO 240, Arctic Cooling Freezer II 280/EVGA CLC 280/Noctua D15/Cryorig M9(2)
Memory	32 GB Ballistix Elite/32 GB TridentZ/16GB Mushkin Redline Black/16 GB Dominator
Video Card(s)	Asus Strix RTX3060/EVGA 970(2)/Asus 750 ti/Old Quadros
Storage	Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB/WD Black M.2 NVMe 500GB/Adata 500gb NVMe
Display(s)	Acer 1080p 22"/ (3) Samsung 22" 1080p
Case	(2) Lian Li Lancool II Mesh/Corsair 4000D /Phanteks Eclipse 500a/Be Quiet Pure Base 500/Bones of HAF
Power Supply	EVGA Supernova 850G(2)/EVGA Supernova GT 650w/Phantek Amps 750w/Seasonic Focus 750w
Mouse	Generic Black wireless (5)
Keyboard	Generic Black wireless (5)
Software	Win 10/Ubuntu

System Name	Old reliable
Processor	Intel 8700K @ 4.8 GHz
Motherboard	MSI Z370 Gaming Pro Carbon AC
Cooling	Custom Water
Memory	32 GB Crucial Ballistix 3666 MHz
Video Card(s)	MSI GTX 1080 Ti Gaming X
Storage	3x SSDs 2x HDDs
Display(s)	Dell U2412M + Samsung TA350
Case	Thermaltake Core P3 TG
Audio Device(s)	Samson Meteor Mic / Generic 2.1 / KRK KNS 6400 headset
Power Supply	Zalman EBT-1000
Mouse	Mionix NAOS 7000
Keyboard	Mionix

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Memory	16 GB Gskill Ripjaws X 2133 (2400 OC, 10-10-12-20-20, 1T, 1.65V)
Video Card(s)	AMD Radeon 290 Sapphire Vapor-X
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Case	AeroCool Xpredator Evil Blue Edition
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Power Supply	Seasonic 1250 XM2 Series (XP3)
Mouse	Roccat Kone XTD
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Cooling	Thermalright Venemous X
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Power Supply	PC Power & Cooling Silencer MKII 750w
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Cooling	Thermalright Macho V2
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Video Card(s)	Sapphire Radeon R9 290
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Case	Sunflower Tower
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Power Supply	Corsair TX850
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