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I Just noticed at my doctors office and some other places ive been too there are still people using windows xp. I think its time for people to wake up and at least get as far as windows 7 or 8.1. What is your opinion on this?
 
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I think if it works, it works. A business shouldn't bother wasting money on things they do not need.

Do you have a reason as to why a small office needs to "wake up" and give Microsoft more money?
 
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I Just noticed at my doctors office and some other places ive been too there are still people using windows xp. I think its time for people to wake up and at least get as far as windows 7 or 8.1. What is your opinion on this?
I think if it's not broke, don't fix it. Half the atm machines on earth use XP embedded. ;)
 
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Well I know of one reason. Microsoft no longer supports and updates XP so there is always a risk a business using Windows XP could get hacked or have a bigger risk of viruses.
 

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Well I know of one reason. Microsoft no longer supports and updates XP so there is always a risk a business using Windows XP could get hacked or have a bigger risk of viruses.
Antivirus programs will have to work slightly harder? Y'know the United States Navy is still using XP, right?

I was considering on putting XP on my netbook again instead of 7, because y'know what? It works.
 
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Well I know of one reason. Microsoft no longer supports and updates XP so there is always a risk a business using Windows XP could get hacked or have a bigger risk of viruses.
Security Updates don't stop viruses. That's entirely in the hands of the end user. And Hackers aren't really interested in mom and pop's 20 yr old beige desktop.

Generally companies who could attract the unwanted attention of hackers or have data systems which need to be maintained have inhouse IT or else a managed service provider.

That's what I do at Fujitsu. We usually do deployments every 3-4 years.
 
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Security Updates don't stop viruses. That's entirely in the hands of the end user. And Hackers aren't really interested in mom and pop's 20 yr old beige desktop.

They are interested in anything they can get a keylogger on (for gathering credit cards, any kind of personal records, etc). That includes mom and pop's desktop and your local doctor's office.

XP embedded and POS is still supported for a tiny bit, though. But I wouldn't use XP pro/home on anything connected to a network.

One can hope the machine you saw was heavily firewalled and/or not online. It was probably an embedded or point of sale edition of XP, however, which still has a little support left.
 
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Ok you all have a good point so I guess Ill just leave this topic at that.
 
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Ok you all have a good point so I guess Ill just leave this topic at that.

I wouldn't assume they are correct so fast. The security at some small medical establishments to even as high up as government is absolutely atrocious. There's a reason identity theft is always in the news.

You can HOPE they know what they are doing, but... I wouldn't count on it.
 
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They are interested in anything they can get a keylogger on (for gathering credit cards, any kind of personal records, etc). That includes mom and pop's desktop and your local doctor's office.

XP embedded and POS is still supported for a tiny bit, though. But I wouldn't use XP pro/home on anything connected to a network.

One can hope the machine you saw was heavily firewalled and/or not online. It was probably an embedded or point of sale edition of XP, however, which still has a little support left.
Hackers don't spread viruses, clicking on dodgy porn sites and p2P files spread viruses. Hackers take over machines or servers with sensitive data..
Which is why I just said anyone who could attract the interest of such parties has a managed services provider or in-house system administration.
 
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actually for OS that run more than 10 years, its pretty solid
what you cant do with XP? usb, SLI/crossfire. sata support

i think xp still rock for more years
 

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Well I know of one reason. Microsoft no longer supports and updates XP so there is always a risk a business using Windows XP could get hacked or have a bigger risk of viruses.
They're domain systems which means there is a mainframe filtering internet and program access. Nothing gets installed unless an administrator approves it. An XP user on a domain is usually more secure than a Windows 8.1 system with internet access and administrator account in your average home.


A lot of them are slowly switching to Windows 7. A lot of domains have no intent to change to Windows 10 any time soon (if at all).
 

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Well I know of one reason. Microsoft no longer supports and updates XP so there is always a risk a business using Windows XP could get hacked or have a bigger risk of viruses.
^^This. You've actually made a very good point and shouldn't give up.

Sure, the system is still working, but the world is changing and evolving around it, especially security threats. As there are no more security patches for XP, this is a timebomb waiting to go off.

XP should only be used now where there's an absolute need for it, niche uses only, basically.
 
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Old doesn't mean less secure, it many times means more secure, but less available to provide multiple services.
 

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I Just noticed at my doctors office and some other places ive been too there are still people using windows xp. I think its time for people to wake up and at least get as far as windows 7 or 8.1. What is your opinion on this?

Most of our medical office customers (medium to large ones) utilize XP still for their exam-room PC's because of software compatibility or not wanting to spend the $10,000's that it can cost to upgrade the license and upgrade the infrastructure to support it. Honestly with decent AVAM, it is still usable but definitely long in the tooth for anyone outside of the medical or industrial/manufacturing arenas imho. Other places I've seen still use it because of the cost of newer equipment when current equipment is still affordable to service but requiring legacy software. Upgrades have to make dollars and sense to many companies...at least in this region that's what I've seen. Just my two cents. XP is still useful, I don't prefer it by any means...

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Hackers don't spread viruses, clicking on dodgy porn sites and p2P files spread viruses. Hackers take over machines or servers with sensitive data..
Which is why I just said anyone who could attract the interest of such parties has a managed services provider or in-house system administration.

Potatoe potato. It's all programers with bad intentions, and the bottom lime is having an up to date OS helps on all fronts.

Old doesn't mean less secure, it many times means more secure, but less available to provide multiple services.

Old does tend to mean time has worn on it. What I mean by this is that time has been passing and people have discovered the vulnerabilities that exist.
 
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This doesn't apply to every industry but keep up or face larger problems in the future. I've been contracted at one place for over 4 years now and have seen what can happen to a company without a proactive view on technology. They're much better off now with the new guy in charge and will continue to improve but it would have saved them so much time and money if it had happened sooner. I've also been with market leaders -- the strongest department in each one? IT.
 
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Maybe Doctors just cant afford such a fancy os.
 
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Problem is many companies uses outdated programs that can't run in Windows 7, even XP Mode don't always work it needs a real XP computer or a virtuel one to work, but that costs money so they just use it every day until the computer dies and u can't find spare parts and the new computers don't support XP than they have to use money on upgrading everything.
 

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my work uses XP. to upgrade to a newer OS would require a dozen new PC's.


no security risk, as apart from one server they're all kept offline.
 
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Old doesn't mean less secure, it many times means more secure, but less available to provide multiple services.

Potatoe potato. It's all programers with bad intentions, and the bottom lime is having an up to date OS helps on all fronts.

Old does tend to mean time has worn on it. What I mean by this is that time has been passing and people have discovered the vulnerabilities that exist.

Aquite the contrary Steevo: unlike something like a house or a car, old software (especially widely-used, decent-quality stuff like Windows) are usually more secure than the versions they replace. In the case of XP, a lot of assumptions that made perfect sense in the late 90s to the mid 2000s stopped holding, the most obvious ones being that running with full admin permissions is bad, and that drivers as modeled in Windows NT at the time, were hoplessly broken well and truly beyond repair and sanity.

The result was Vista (a perfectly fine OS if you run in on good hardware), and a side effect of Vista making very deep, extensive architectural changes to how Windows designed, modeled and enforced it's OS and security principles meant that both a lot of stuff broke overnight (especially drivers) and it needed a much beefier machine that what people ran XP on (admittedly some of it is just more features and shine, not OS-related stuff, but I digress).

In recent times, XP has become effectively unpactchable to Mixrosoft, which is why they are charging huge amounts of money for an extra maximum of 3 years from end of support, regardless of the amount of money shoved at them.

I can also point to open-source projects, like OpenSSL, where most of the releases are about fixing some security hole or another, meaning the new version is by definition more secure because an existing security risk has been removed.

Most of our medical office customers (medium to large ones) utilize XP still for their exam-room PC's because of software compatibility or not wanting to spend the $10,000's that it can cost to upgrade the license and upgrade the infrastructure to support it. Honestly with decent AVAM, it is still usable but definitely long in the tooth for anyone outside of the medical or industrial/manufacturing arenas imho. Other places I've seen still use it because of the cost of newer equipment when current equipment is still affordable to service but requiring legacy software. Upgrades have to make dollars and sense to many companies...at least in this region that's what I've seen. Just my two cents. XP is still useful, I don't prefer it by any means...

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Yup. Budget and availablity is the issue, and more often than not all together: you're not gonna replace a million dollar microscope because it's interfacing PC is on XP or older, nor will you spend the thousands of dollars getting their devs to update the software. Instead, you work around it by isolating that machine and locking it down so hard it becomes an appliance instead.
 
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Potatoe potato. It's all programers with bad intentions, and the bottom lime is having an up to date OS helps on all fronts.
Instead of repeating someone else's words I'm just going to reply with this quote from Ford ..;)

They're domain systems which means there is a mainframe filtering internet and program access. Nothing gets installed unless an administrator approves it. An XP user on a domain is usually more secure than a Windows 8.1 system with internet access and administrator account in your average home.


A lot of them are slowly switching to Windows 7. A lot of domains have no intent to change to Windows 10 any time soon (if at all).
 
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