Microsoft to Strip Windows 7 of IE and WMP for Europe, Abiding by Laws

h3llb3nd4 · Jun 12, 2009

EU FTL?!?!
WTF is going on with them? :wtf:

mdm-adph · Jun 12, 2009

TheMailMan78 said:
Safari? Really dude? I use it all day. In fact I'm posting with it now. It sucks. IE8 is much better. FYI I'm on a mac. Its the only reason I use Safari.

What version are you using? I'm talking about Safari 4 -- I can't pass judgement on your own personal experiences with it, but I can tell you from my experience coding for it that its main JavaScript engine is even faster than Chrome's. Just look at the benchmark statistics here: http://service.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/browserStatistics.action

When it comes to performance with tomorrow's web applications, JavaScript engine speed is the single most important factor (and is what that benchmark tests). You can see how even the latest version of IE lags very, very far behind.

Mike0409 · Jun 12, 2009

BTW they said the Browser would be availble an FTP download...

You don't need a web browser or an FTP proggie to access any FTP site's.

TheMailMan78 · Jun 12, 2009

mdm-adph said:
What version are you using? I'm talking about Safari 4 -- I can't pass judgement on your own personal experiences with it, but I can tell you from my experience coding for it that its main JavaScript engine is even faster than Chrome's. Just look at the benchmark statistics here: http://service.futuremark.com/peacekeeper/browserStatistics.action

When it comes to performance with tomorrow's web applications, JavaScript engine speed is the single most important factor (and is what that benchmark tests). You can see how even the latest version of IE lags very, very far behind.

Yeah I'm using 4. Sorry man but I aint buying the benches.

Cheeseball · Jun 12, 2009

Although I myself believe this is quite stupid of the EU forcing MS to do this, a version that lacks IE and WMP would be quite nice to have (for techies or those who want a minimalistic OS).

I've tried using the Windows XP Professional N-edition and it's quite nice having Media Player Classic playing all my media files without any file association problems from WMP9/10. The only problem is the lack of Windows Media (.WMA/.WMV/.ASF) support, but IMO I rather play media that use other, better codecs than that trash.

mdm-adph · Jun 12, 2009

TheMailMan78 said:
Yeah I'm using 4. Sorry man but I aint buying the benches.

Well, you're free to believe in what you what. :ohwell:

Honestly, do you think they're lying? Don't you think that if Futuremark was shady they'd have already taken money from Microsoft, and thus IE would be at the top of their list? :laugh:

TheMailMan78 · Jun 12, 2009

mdm-adph said:
Well, you're free to believe in what you what. Honestly, do you think they're lying? Don't you think that if Futuremark was shady they'd have already taken money from Microsoft, and thus IE would be at the top of their list?

I'm capitalistic swine. I'm not stupid. Of course I don't think the benches are fake. I just haven't seen Safari 4 perform any better than IE8. Safari 4 just seems slower so far. But then again maybe its optimized for the intel Macs.

WhiteLotus · Jun 12, 2009

So i will have to somehow get a web browser (no problem there - USB stick) and then download Windows Media Player that doesn't come with all the codecs... to which i'll have to pay for? That sucks ass.

Looks like i'll go back to VLC

Lumpy · Jun 12, 2009

alexp999 said:
Uk is in europe yes

LOL!

Ahhzz · Jun 12, 2009

http://www.infoworld.com/d/applications/rivals-take-ie-in-enterprise-browser-war-264

nice article.

mdm-adph · Jun 12, 2009

TheMailMan78 said:
I'm capitalistic swine. I'm not stupid. Of course I don't think the benches are fake. I just haven't seen Safari 4 perform any better than IE8. Safari 4 just seems slower so far. But then again maybe its optimized for the intel Macs.

Buddy, if all you do with your Ferrari is drive it down your driveway to your mailbox, you're not going to notice any difference between it and a damn Yugo, either. :laugh:

Safari is just as fast on Windows as it is on intel macs. You're going to have to try a few JavaScript intensive websites and media-heavy stuff -- I'll see what I can find. I know I've found websites in the past that were testing out new js technologies that slowed to a crawl in IE but run like butter in Chrome and Safari.

TheMailMan78 · Jun 12, 2009

mdm-adph said:
Buddy, if all you do with your Ferrari is drive it down your driveway to your mailbox, you're not going to notice any difference between it and a damn Yugo, either.

Safari is just as fast on Windows as it is on intel macs. You're going to have to try a few JavaScript intensive websites and media-heavy stuff -- I'll see what I can find. I know I've found websites in the past that were testing out new js technologies that slowed to a crawl in IE but run like butter in Chrome and Safari.

My Mac is a PowerPC mac. Duel 2.0s. with 4 gigs of ram. A web browser should be slowing it down.

WhiteLotus · Jun 12, 2009

I REALLY don't like this move, i hope they do somehow make a World Wide edition or something. It's just silly an the EU is just being anal about it.

I would like to thank Microsoft for sticking up two fingers to EU and following their stupid rules. Watch how the EU government scrambles back to Microsoft, begging to find out how to get their precious IE and WMP back.

TRIPTEX_CAN · Jun 12, 2009

mdm-adph said:
Buddy,.... *snip*.

Im not your buddy, guy. :roll:

Continue...

mdm-adph · Jun 12, 2009

TRIPTEX_MTL said:
Im not your buddy guy.

Comtinue...

I'm not your guy, friend.

TheMailMan78 said:
My Mac is a PowerPC mac. Duel 2.0s. with 4 gigs of ram. A web browser should be slowing it down.

So -- wait, what? :confused:

Are you comparing running Safari 4 on a PowerPC mac vs. IE8 on a windows machine?

TheMailMan78 · Jun 12, 2009

mdm-adph said:
I'm not your guy, friend.

So -- wait, what?

Are you comparing running Safari 4 on a PowerPC mac vs. IE8 on a windows machine?

Yes. Yes I am.

mdm-adph · Jun 12, 2009

TheMailMan78 said:
Yes. Yes I am.

Oh yeah -- that's not unfair at all. :banghead:

Hey, try installing Safari 4 on your Windows machine, and then tell me how it feels on certain websites vs. IE. Or just install Chrome -- for all practical purposes, Chrome and Safari are the same browser.

TheMailMan78 · Jun 12, 2009

mdm-adph said:
Oh yeah -- that's not unfair at all.

Hey, try installing Safari 4 on your Windows machine, and then tell me how it feels on certain websites vs. IE. Or just install Chrome -- for all practical purposes, Chrome and Safari are the same browser.

Wasting your time is what I do. :laugh:

No its not "fair" but Safari 3 was faster on my machine. When I "upgraded" to 4 things got a low slower. Thats why I said it must be optimized for intel Macs OR Apple is screwing over its "legacy" users by crippling its own software to force hardware upgrades.

mdm-adph · Jun 12, 2009

TheMailMan78 said:
Thats why I said it must be optimized for intel Macs OR Apple is screwing over its "legacy" users by crippling its own software to force hardware upgrades.

New to the Mac world? :laugh:

They do the same to just software, too -- there's no reason why some software should require OSX 10.5, either, but I've found quite a bit that are starting to "require" it.

imperialreign · Jun 12, 2009

Just my thoughts . . . considering how shiesty MS can be, and some of their tactics in the past . . .

WIN 7 may not have IE8 and WMP included on the install disk . . . but how much do you want to bet that the WIN 7 retail packages come with a second disk that has IE8 and WMP on it?

As long as those applications are included in the WIN 7 install, MS is in the clear . . . there's nothing saying they can't include these applications on a seperate disk in the package.

C'mon, y'all, think like MS! :toast:

DrPepper · Jun 12, 2009

satelitko said:
I don't get what you people are complaining about... Why would you even WANT IE or WMP? This is GREAT news... no more programs launching IE, when you clearly made your FF/Chrome/w.e. your main browser... No more WMP, which can't play sh*t... I'm in utter glee about this!!!

No it's not. If you made an OS wouldn't you be pissed if the EU started saying you can/can't have programs that you made into the os ? Seriously its like saying to a car manufacturer you can't use your own engine that you made use another. Seriously it's pointless IE isn't that bad and WMP is quite good. If the consumer wants to try another then they can go download that program for FREE!

WhiteLotus · Jun 12, 2009

I love WMP...

imperialreign · Jun 12, 2009

DrPepper said:
No it's not. If you made an OS wouldn't you be pissed if the EU started saying you can/can't have programs that you made into the os ? Seriously its like saying to a car manufacturer you can't use your own engine that you made use another. Seriously it's pointless IE isn't that bad and WMP is quite good. If the consumer wants to try another then they can go download that program for FREE!

I have to agree . . . IE7/IE8 are some of the most secure browsers I've used . . . the issue most people have with their security revolves around users not updating as needed. I'm confident enough in both IE7's and IE8's security that I routinely browse the i-netx with no firewall up, nor AV software running (not that I condone or support this practice . . .).

Besides, IE displays 95% of the i-webz correctly . . . unlike other browsers . . . it might also have something to do with the fact that 95% of all websites are still designed with IE for IE.

As to media players, WMP 11 I've found to be a little more easier to use and more intuitive . . . it's only downfall is it doesn't play all files types correctly, even with codecs installed.

WhiteLotus · Jun 12, 2009

imperialreign said:
As to media players, WMP 11 I've found to be a little more easier to use and more intuitive . . . it's only downfall is it doesn't play all files types correctly, even with codecs installed.

Don't know what build WMP is included in Windows 7 RC but it plays everything rather well. Well everything i chucked at it.

TheMailMan78 · Jun 12, 2009

mdm-adph said:
New to the Mac world? They do the same to just software, too -- there's no reason why some software should require OSX 10.5, either, but I've found quite a bit that are starting to "require" it.

I'm not new. I remember when they did it with OS 9.2. The got in trouble for it too. The made 9.2 slower than 9.1 to make you upgrade to OSX. Thats when I lost my love for Mac.

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