Are we Alone?

[FordGT90Concept]

Material on the ground that could not be identified by our equipment that, when touched, made a woman's hand permanently numb. Other evidence of trees being broken by a metal object crashing to the ground that took no damage from said impact, had strange "symbols" on it, and gets carted off on an unmarked truck within 15 minutes later. These, among many other cases that are on that link. I suggest you read up.

The facts are there, most people choose to ignore them because there's nothing they can do about it.

 

[pantherx12]

oxymoron or not, my point was clear. fine then, i'll just say : that's not evidence.

personal accounts are not scientific enough to proclaim aliens have visited us.

I believe the term " pics or it didn't happen" applies here.

 

[Nick259]

The questions is about other living lifeforms............

Sunk in yet...............

The answer is an unequivocal yes. We've found bacteria in asteroids and bacterial fossils on other planets. The real question (as others have already pointed out) is intelligent lifeforms. I remain skeptical, and think our first encounter will give us the answer and expand the dishes in the cannibal's cookbook. I wonder if they'll like how we taste, or just remove us through teraforming and manual termination?

Do you have any evidence for this? It would appear that these claims turned out to be false using a quick google search.

I agree that the possibility of life outside the solar system is high given that the amino acids that make us up are easily synthesised and have been found on meteors. Given that the universe is so vast I find it near impossible that life has not developed elsewhere.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I believe the term " pics or it didn't happen" applies here.

Google "1971 Delphos, Kansas" and knock yourself out. Specifically, pictures are on this page: http://www.ufocasebook.com/Kansas.html

That link I provided before had this one and many others that are, to this day, unexplained.

 

[digibucc]

Google "1971 Delphos, Kansas" and knock yourself out. Specifically, pictures are on this page: http://www.ufocasebook.com/Kansas.html

That link I provided before had this one and many others that are, to this day, unexplained.

seriously, those pics are your proof?

 

[Mr McC]

Given the sheer number of other suns that we can see with the naked eye, it would be egocentric and illogical to assume that there is no other life. However, we also need to question what we understand by life. Whilst we're on the subject of semantics, we also have to define what we mean by we, indeed, a better question might be whether or not we feel that "we" are ready to engage in any form of contact with these hypothetical others. Without wishing to offend anyone, God has often been interpreted as a cultural construct that has been employed (or abused) for a number of purposes - "if God didn't exist it would be necessary to invent him" - particularly as a means of imposing rules, societal norms and established hierarchies, or, as others put it, religion. Similarly, it is often jokingly suggested that we need an alien invasion in order achieve global peace. However, I do believe that if we lived our lives with greater consideration for the prospect of other life, of other eyes watching and judging the manner in which we behave towards one another and our environment, we would be much nicer people. All the more reason to believe in our friends in flying saucers.

Incidentally, did TPU suddenly become a philosophy forum?

 

[hat]

I think it would be quite silly to assume that there is no life outside of our planet. There are billions of stars in our galaxy alone, and billions of galaxies besides ours each with more billions of stars. I'm sure somewhere out there something else exists. I also think that if they are capable of reaching us, they're far superior to our race. Hopefully they don't bomb us into oblivion as I suspect we deserve.

 

[SaiZo]

We have not explored the entire ocean as yet, even there is more life to be found. I think same thing goes for other planetary systems aswell.

 

[pantherx12]

seriously, those pics are your proof?

I thought the same, seen stuff like around where I live, I'm fairly sure it's just something like fairy rings.

naturally occurring but looks like it's been designed.

 

[LAN_deRf_HA]

I've seen just about every bit of evidence offered up as proof and countless personal accounts by often mistaken witnesses. Most of it I'm not that impressed by. The one thing that gets me is sustained encounters with witnesses backed up by radar data. Mainly that radar bit at the end. Huge or numerous solid objects moving beyond human craft capabilities. Unless people are going to come out and say all radar accounts are fudged or faulty, just by chance coinciding with eyewitnesses, then I'm left to believe there's something interesting happening.

 

[D007]

IMO to think that we are alone displays a huge amount of ignorance as to how big the universe really is..
We are here: http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/milkyway.html
The universe is here: http://hubblesite.org/gallery/album/pr2011004b/
Keep in mind all of those are galaxies, not stars in the second pic.
We're one tiny spec in one tiny galaxy..
Of course there is life and imo absolutely intelligent life. We're a young universe. Likely civilizations out there that have had a billion years to advance. While we've only had a couple hundred thousand years.

 

[digibucc]

if we were talking about whether taco bell has real meat, i'd be much less likely to require proof.
that's not all that important to me, and doesn't affect humanity as a whole.

but we are talking about alien life visiting our planet. think about that. that's not something you should
simply believe without the utmost quality and quantity of proof. that is a BIG deal and therefore requires
BIG evidence. saying there are radar accounts that match human reports, is still not enough.

say all of them are forged? how many? where can i see them?

i recognize that the idea is relegated to fringe science, and therefore makes it hard for ANY "evidence"
to be taken seriously. but if there were something concrete, it'd be easy. until
there is, i simply can't say any more than "it's possible, but unlikely"

and for those that didn't read my previous posts, i'm talking about aliens visiting earth specifically.
as to the existence of alien life, i don't see how it could possibly not exist. still, don't know for sure.

can't.

 

[Champ]

the fact that I believe other planets like our have been found, sure prove there should be other life in the distant stars. I don't know if its upright and walking, crawling or swimming, but something else has to be out there.

 

[WhiteLotus]

It would be kind of arrogant to assume that an alien race with technology so superior to ours that they can fly through space and not die on the way here, would take the time out to visit us. A race that in comparison would look like cockroaches to us.

Though yes they exist, no they haven't visited us yet.

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

Do you have any evidence for this? It would appear that these claims turned out to be false using a quick google search.

I agree that the possibility of life outside the solar system is high given that the amino acids that make us up are easily synthesised and have been found on meteors. Given that the universe is so vast I find it near impossible that life has not developed elsewhere.

From the lips of NASA itself:http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/marslife.html

Again, simple bacteria. Nothing exceptionally complex (assuming the average hydra is a complex organism), but life none the less.

 

[Evolved]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq4iz...&feature=share

Seen this a while back. Everybody needs to watch this.

Although, there's a lot of ways to DISMISS the frantic PHONE CALL near the end of the video.
I've been led to believe that the PHONE CALL was FAKE, according to research I have done.

HOWEVER, the SIGHTINGS are most DEFINITELY REAL.

And when these ALIENS finally appear to us, FULLY, we are probably doomed, to be honest.
But hey, maybe humanity has a chance, but I doubt it.

Here's another video that coincides with WHY the Aliens are here, and what the world leaders (preferably the United States) intend to do with them (and yes I said, WITH them).

PART 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjjIy1DO0gs
PART 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL2vnxVIH_0

I think there's a PART 3, but I'm not sure. Please, watch these videos and be AWARE of what is going on. There's a REASON why Aliens are here.

 

[digibucc]

this is not a conspiracy forum , that is not science.

the eery music alone tells you the intention of the
video. it is not trying to find the truth, it is trying
to freak people out and press a view. not science.

 

[Vancha]

IMO to think that we are alone displays a huge amount of ignorance as to how big the universe really is..
We are here: http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/milkyway.html
The universe is here: http://hubblesite.org/gallery/album/pr2011004b/
Keep in mind all of those are galaxies, not stars in the second pic.
We're one tiny spec in one tiny galaxy..
Of course there is life and imo absolutely intelligent life. We're a young universe. Likely civilizations out there that have had a billion years to advance. While we've only had a couple hundred thousand years.

How can you say any of that without knowing the chance of life to start, the chance of life to evolve long enough to reach intelligence and the chance of it then doing so?

The universe could be a trillion times as large as it is, and if the chance of the three things I mentioned was small enough, it could still be practically certain that there was no intelligent life besides us.

To think we are alone isn't ignorant, it's just premature...And the same applies to those who think we aren't. The default position would seem to be an assumption we're alone until either evidence suggests otherwise, or we somehow work out the chances of intelligent life existing.

 

[Benetanegia]

I think that with the sheer ammount of stars capable to sustain life as we know it and the fact that biomolecular science already came to the conclusion that the formation of life from non-living molecules is probabilisticaly common if given enough time, I think it's pretty much proven that life outside our planet exists. And based on a similar probabilistical approach, if sentient life in the universe exists in the same proportion as in Earth (or even if it's off by several order of magnitudes), intelligent alien races exist and are quite abundant indeed. They gave numbers and they appear to be between 10000 and 10 million intelligent alien races, with at least half of them being technologically better than us. The numbers for non intelligent life are billions of times higher.

But even then, the same studies believe that those races will never come in touch with others, because the average distance between them would require several millions of years of light speed travel and nothing seems to suggest that FTL speeds are posible for people or objects, only sub-particles could do that.

And it doesn't end there, they even covered up themselves saying that even if FTL is posible, and some alien races have it, spotting us would still need direct contact with light reflected by Earth or our own electro-magnetical waves reaching their detection tools for them to notice us. Applying FTL detection on an infinite universe just would not be viable. So if there is indeed an alien race out there capable of travelling FTL and wanting to know us in particular - think about it, out of 10 million possible races they want to meet us- we can still take a seat and wait because it's not until 200++ years that they will notice our existence.

 

[cbupdd]

Drake equation

At least 10 detectable civs, haha. Our first radio signal was over 200 years ago, but probably no one will receive it.

Time and space are the key. It's really improbable that any civilization will coincide. What we could expect now is to find micro organisms on mars or europe. Although, our solar sistem had 3 planets (mars, venus, earth) candidates of substaining life . Only earth made it.

 

[Yukikaze]

I do think there is life out there. It might even be intelligent. I do think, however, that it would be so radically different from our own that we might not even know that it is life even if we were to see it (which is not very likely in the first place), or recognize its intelligence if it were intelligent (and vice versa: Them recognizing us). To assume that existing aliens think like us, are driven by similar motives, communicate and experience life in similar fashions to us is just too far fetched given the insane amount of variables which shape the evolution of a species.

 

[digibucc]

I do think there is life out there. It might even be intelligent. I do think, however, that it would be so radically different from our own that we might not even know that it is life even if we were to see it (which is not very likely in the first place), or recognize its intelligence if it were intelligent (and vice versa). To assume that aliens think like us, are driven by similar motives, communicate and experience life in similar fashions to us is just too far fetched.

i disagree. not that some life will be far outside our expectations , but i disagree
that most life would necessarily be. look at all the varied life we are able to understand
on our own planet? why could we not extend that outward?

even without dna, which is possibly but again not necessarily the case - i think most
life will have a physical form with a thinking apparatus of some sort. likely a feeding
and excreting one as well.

just saying, i don't think it's that unlikely that alien life could be recognizable to us.

 

[pantherx12]

look at all the varied life we are able to understand
on our own planet? why could we not extend that outward?

Whilst it's likely that other life is carbon based, it may not be.

And if it's not. Then well, that's where the spanner in the works comes from

 

[Benetanegia]

Drake equation

https://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/5/4/7542df32dfc58eede34c27326fb44889.png

At least 10 detectable civs, haha. Our first radio signal was over 200 years ago, but probably no one will receive it.

Time and space are the key. It's really improbable that any civilization will coincide. What we could expect now is to find micro organisms on mars or europe.

Yep I think it's that equation they used in the article and came up to the numbers I gave, or numbers that were similar. However I think the equation is very prone to interpretation, so you can end up with very distinct results.

Although, our solar sistem had 3 planets (mars, venus, earth) candidates of substaining life . Only earth made it.

And maybe mars, or europe that's something that cannot be ruled out yet. Also considering the age of our star and when advanced life was created on earth it would be posible that some life (up to small pluricellular) appeared on mars and then dissapeared, the time taking away any evidence. Or that's what I think. Also when the sun finishes off with hydrogen and thus spands it's radius, killing our planet in the procces, maybe some other planet will take the place as viable for life... that's something I have never seen answered, but I think it seems reasonable.

And the sun is a very young star that will also die fast. There's stars that will last tens or hundreds of times more, allowing for greater chances to sustain life.

i disagree. not that some life will be far outside our expectations , but i disagree
that most life would necessarily be. look at all the varied life we are able to understand
on our own planet? why could we not extend that outward?

even without dna, which is possibly but again not necessarily the case - i think most
life will have a physical form with a thinking apparatus of some sort. likely a feeding
and excreting one as well.

just saying, i don't think it's that unlikely that alien life could be recognizable to us.

Have you read Ender Wiggin saga? (you should, at least the first 2 ones). They cover the subject pretty well.

 

[Yukikaze]

i disagree. not that some life will be far outside our expectations , but i disagree
that most life would necessarily be. look at all the varied life we are able to understand
on our own planet? why could we not extend that outward?

even without dna, which is possibly but again not necessarily the case - i think most
life will have a physical form with a thinking apparatus of some sort. likely a feeding
and excreting one as well.

just saying, i don't think it's that unlikely that alien life could be recognizable to us.

Why is there a need to feed in the sense you are familiar with? Plants thrive without feeding in the human sense. A thinking apparatus is likely to be there, but why the assumption that it would work in any fashion similar to our own? A hive mind concept comes to mind and that's something humans can understand to an extent. How many other concepts of intelligence are possible beyond our realm of understanding?

I'm just saying that the variables are so numerous and of such importance (A tiny deviation in the gravitational pull, atmospheric mix, if any, or the amount of energy received by a planet can affect an evolution of a species by incredible amounts. After all, we are talking millenia of evolution in entirely different places) that the assumption of being able to communicate, understand or even recognize each other is far from trivial.

We tend to "humanize" our concept of aliens and apply to them concepts from our daily lives, our history and our fiction, but there is nothing to indicate that if aliens exist they would fit any of those concepts.