Some e-cigarettes can increase risk of cancer by 5-15 times

[silkstone]

I'm a little confused about why voltage is an issue. Surely it should be the power? and 5 V at 10 ohms gives the same amount of heat as 3.6 V at 5 ohms.
It also reads like "If you use this device incorrectly, it can cause cancer!" Kind of like: Omg! beware the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide!
The article is scaremongering. I know that the pharmaceutical industry is really worried about the growing popularity of e-cigs, I'd like to know how the study was funded.

 

[brandonwh64]

So the formaldehyde is an additive in the vape? as per the thread title

If your doc can give patches to you like they do in the uk, try them . its a nice dose of nicotine with NO other shit. Its not social admittedly but equally its not anti social.

If you like vaping, shit man we would probably have a fucking scream vapeing together

No thats not what it means, formaldehyde is def not a an additive. They are claiming that with higher heat the chemical compound of eliquid is changed and may put out formaldehyde.

 

[johnspack]

I have been doing a huge amount of research on this. The confusion lies in the cloud chasers environment. They go for extreme sub-ohm coils, below .5 ohm, and extreme high wattage, not voltage. Actually at high wattage the voltage is quite low, the amperage is quite high. These people are reaching combustion temperatures, that produce toxins. Very stupid. I have been vaping for a year now, I do not ever use my ecigs like that, even though I have the equipment to do so. Very irresponsible of them, and puts a bad face on ecigs, as these do save lives, not take them.
Edit: these are guys running 100 watts or more as well, your little spinner batteries can't do this......

 

[Laurijan]

This study caused dry hits - a situation where most ppl would turn off the e-cigarette and refill or change atomizer.
The used high voltages certain atomizers are not supposed to work with too..
http://www.clivebates.com/?p=2706

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

125-150°C temp at which nicotine vapes

180 - 210 °C temp at which THC vapes

in the early days of THC vapeing resourceful hippies made vapourizers out of light bulbs and dimmer switches. When a vapour appeared above the weed the dimmer was at the right setting. other than being bone dry and completlly devoid of THC the vegetable material was untouched.

Thats how people vaped before industry got involved.

I am not advocating their use i am encouraging education.

 

[johnspack]

I agree. I also have a vaporizer that operates at up to 210c, and no more. But build ecig coils is user preference, and you can choose to use a sane amount of wattage, like 30 max out of 100 which my mod can produce.
I don't like toxins. I use 1.1 to 1.3 ohm coils, get nice clouds, and tons of flavor. I don't understand the cloud chasers.... I just saw a 400 watt mod doing .04 ohm builds... that's cancer city, I'm sorry. An educated
user, is a safe user, and hopefully a smart user.

 

[Champ]

I put on my big boy pants and just step up to a Seven 22. That a lot to me. 22 watts and the battery holds a 4.2 voltage max. Likely lower after a couple of hits. And I'm gonna be using 1.5 to 2 ohm coils. Article is full of crap. Now I believe the 100 watts vapes are silly. That should feel like inhaling fire. I believe that causes damage.

 

[Jetster]

I think they might know what they are talking about

SOURCES: James Pankow, Ph.D., professor, chemistry and civil and environmental engineering,
Portland State University, Portland, Ore.;
Gregory Conley, J.D., M.B.A., president, American Vaping Association;
Eric Jacobs, Ph.D., strategic director of pharmacoepidemiology,
American Cancer Society; Jan. 22, 2015, New England Journal of Medicine

 

[brandonwh64]

I have been doing a huge amount of research on this. The confusion lies in the cloud chasers environment. They go for extreme sub-ohm coils, below .5 ohm, and extreme high wattage, not voltage. Actually at high wattage the voltage is quite low, the amperage is quite high. These people are reaching combustion temperatures, that produce toxins. Very stupid. I have been vaping for a year now, I do not ever use my ecigs like that, even though I have the equipment to do so. Very irresponsible of them, and puts a bad face on ecigs, as these do save lives, not take them.
Edit: these are guys running 100 watts or more as well, your little spinner batteries can't do this......

I run around 110W with a my parallel 18650 @ 4.2v and a build of 0.15ohms and I use is daily

 

[twilyth]

I don't think there's any disagreement about the fact that vaping CAN be better than smoking cigarettes. The issue seems to be about break down products created at high temperatures, at least I'm assuming that's where the formaldehyde comes from. So if anything, what the article is really about is the need for some sort of oversight regarding the products that are sold.

We have safety regulations for most things we consume with the exception of things like nutritional supplements, alcohol and probably a few others. Right now, there are no checks on nicotine juice and vaping products. Most nicotine comes from China and there are no inspections or testing of those products. People won't even feed their pets food from China any more but people don't think twice about nicotine. They assume that if they bought the end product from a US source that it must be fine, except that's not the case.

So for now, you have to try to watch out for yourself. That's where information like this can be useful.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

nicotine vs caffeine

http://www.livestrong.com/article/91383-caffeine-nicotine/

Nicotine is far worse in terms of habit formation than caffeine. I've never met someone that couldn't kick caffeine if they wanted to. The key word is "want."

So the formaldehyde is an additive in the vape? as per the thread title

No, it sounds like heating the liquid excessively causes formaldehyde to form.

 

[brandonwh64]

Here is an example for people that do not know what higher wattage vaping looks like. I just uploaded this with my daily vape

 

[johnspack]

I still prefer to stick to 30 watts, good enough for me. Also, acetoin will create diecetyl at high temps. Of course if you mix you own eliquid like I do, I avoid all harmful ingredients
just to be sure. No food dyes ect, it's just common sense if you really want to be safe.

 

[brandonwh64]

I still prefer to stick to 30 watts, good enough for me. Also, acetoin will create diecetyl at high temps. Of course if you mix you own eliquid like I do, I avoid all harmful ingredients
just to be sure. No food dyes ect, it's just common sense if you really want to be safe.

Yes I always avoid liquids with rich colors like those smurf style liquids cause most manufacturers put dye in it to make it that smurf blue color

 

[Champ]

Funny because Smerf Vendetta is one of my top 3 favors.

 

[brandonwh64]

Funny because Smerf Vendetta is one of my top 3 favors.

Yea even though it tastes like blue berry does not mean the flavoring they used was blue. Most flavorings I have seen from lorann, FA, or TFA are clear and some kinda with a tint. Nicotine as it ages breaks down kinda like soda when it goes flat. This makes the nicotine turn yellow. I have two type of Hawaiian Punch flavors and one is about a month old and its yellowish when the one thats about a week old is crystal clear.

Here is a list of flavors from lorann that are safe to vape.

http://bestvaporflavors.com/best-lorann-oils-vaping/

 

[ThE_MaD_ShOt]

What I use for my daily's are 2 Kangertech Evod batts with Kangertech T3D heads with 1.5 dual coils. My juice comes from a small shop in the town I work in. The tobacco one they mix for me has a tint of cherry in it. It's so good.

 

[johnspack]

100 watt mod here, you can see I run 30 watts, and above 1 ohm. Just don't need any more!

 

[johnspack]

Also, you may glean some information from my still very alpha info site. I'm abouts to take it down and have a friend redo it in dreamweaver, as I've used the default godaddy tempate arg....
www.nelsonvapes.com

 

[Aquinus]

I'm abouts to take it down and have a friend redo it in dreamweaver

Friends don't let friends make websites in Dreamweaver. If you want to make it pretty, just use Bootstrap to get started and write some HTML from scratch and it will look good by default.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

I don't think there's any disagreement about the fact that vaping CAN be better than smoking cigarettes. The issue seems to be about break down products created at high temperatures, at least I'm assuming that's where the formaldehyde comes from. So if anything, what the article is really about is the need for some sort of oversight regarding the products that are sold.

We have safety regulations for most things we consume with the exception of things like nutritional supplements, alcohol and probably a few others. Right now, there are no checks on nicotine juice and vaping products. Most nicotine comes from China and there are no inspections or testing of those products. People won't even feed their pets food from China any more but people don't think twice about nicotine. They assume that if they bought the end product from a US source that it must be fine, except that's not the case.

So for now, you have to try to watch out for yourself. That's where information like this can be useful.

Have another read what twylth said.



Nicotine is harmful but we know a lot about it. It has some beneficial effects and is used medicinally in pharmaceuticals.

Nicotine vapes within a certain temp it seems to that if you exceed that temp you are smoking all sorts of unlicensed, untested and unknown chemicals.

One of the known long term damaging effects of cannabis use is that t is inhaled differently, big puffs of smoke that are held deep in the lungs.

Typically, being a social thing, the stoner would then sit about or whatever and probably not take another deep breath till the next spliff arrives.

The people i see vaping nicotine draw this shit deep into their lungs and hold it there.
It is bad for you, the shit sits there deep in your lungs. Thats where emphasema starts. You might be coughing but your
not clearing that part of your lungs.

I wonder how they make the exotic flavours.
Those smelly chunks you find in urinals are available in china in all sorts of flavours..

Big breaths...hold it in.....then visit the consultant who CT scanned my lungs 3 weeks ago.

young kids smoke this shit because it tastes nice.
Whos fucking brilliant idea was that?

Remember the problem with alcopops?

A few people are making a fortune out of this and i bet they couldnt care less about the crap thats in them or what is created when it burns.

 

[R-T-B]

There has not been enough time to tell what E-cigs will do to people.

There's been plenty of time to understand what formaldehyde does to people however. Pretty simple leap of faith from there.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. But Like @CAPSLOCKSTUCK said, it is the stupidest thing anyone can do.

No, it's not the stupidest. But it's not smart.

EDIT: Didn't read the whole thread, but if people truly are confident formaldehyde isn't in their vapes, then I will conceed: E-cigs may cause no bodily harm. You may not have an increased risk of cancer. There may be no ill side effects. You might be alright.

That's intentionally vague... and if it still worries you, it should.

 

[Lopez0101]

Worth considering that at normal voltages there was no detectable formaldehyde. Formaldehyde was only seen when running the vape they used to an extreme no user is going to use. They even said that at 5.0v it was a 'dry hit'. Dry hits are horrible. They taste foul. No human is going to purposefully suck down dry hit after dry hit. This study actually proved that there is no formaldehyde at normal ranges, therefore, better than cigarettes in that case.

 

[fullinfusion]

I almost fell outa my seat when I seen this thread.

I'm a vapor, in fact I build my own funky coils, I use only Japan cotton that's been boiled and then dried.

I use a sigelei 100 watt box mod with 70 amp combined cells.. I've got spinners, and an Istick with an assortment of kanger and aspire tanks..

I love dripping on my all american made 454 bigblock baby! On a .2ohm twisted dual 28 gauge wire I'm firing 60-70/watts but it all depends on my mood.

Now down to the bullshit.. These fuck tards and there so called tests on ejuice, IMO they must use that shitty Chinese juice.. Look what they put in your kids toys and ppl have the nerve to scream that ecigs are bad.. Don't take me wrong, I do agree that some juice may be harmful and the american media always give out numbers of nicotine poisoning, but 99% of them don't say what or how the poisoning happened. Leave it up to parents that leave there juice bottles open and easy to get at for kids.. A kid smells cotton candy for example, what do they do? They take the dripper and lick the dam juice and most of the poisoning happened that way. Its government paying idiots to publish shit on e-cigs to sway the ppl from using the electronic version of smoking... Why? Tobacco tax!!! They can't tax something that it isn't.. Just like certain states want to ban ecigs.. The ppl bitch that its nasty and whatnot but like a person said, judge it for what it is and not WHAT you think it is. It just pisses me off how disrespectful some are over this.. Cigs are a death sentence by all means and vaping is a much healthy option. I used to Vape 24mg of nic, now I'm bouncing between 3-6mg and it all depends on what Atty I'm using. My dripper at 3mg is almost to much at times but I know the cut off and stop.

Forgive me for bouncing all over, its late and I did a lot of miles so bare with me.

I used to smoke tobacco for years, so much in fact it gave me a heart attack a few years ago. Troubled and depressed from it all and the time off work I smoked off and on over many months. I was turned on to ecigs and dabbled back n forth between the electronic and the tobacco and some time both for some time. One day I said fuck it because I can't have both and never touched a cigarette for the past few years. Vaping was my crutch away from the nasty stinky tobacco and I now look back and think what a dam fool I was to smoke. Vaping I can atest to has saved my life.. I can breath and not cough up a lung like I did when using tobacco.. Food tastes great.. The house don't stink and my health has done a complete 180

Another thing, I haul livestock, hogs, and you know how much those fuckers stink on a 90°f summer day. All the pissing and having the shavings soak it up and the ammonia that's released is unbearable to breath when unloading when someone smokes. Now its not an issue with me vaping.. Lungs are clear and I laugh at the 2 fister smokers at my work coughing and spitting when they come out of that trailer.. But hey the internet never lies right! A guy at work smokes 3 packs a day and he tells me, I'll never Vape that shit! Why I ask? Because I read it online that its worse then smoking... Omfg!!! And he's serious too lol. But whatever humans will never change. They only believe in what they want and most have never even vaped, but they're sure on the anti Vape wagon..

I'm going to bed, fuck this for tonight... But before I do im going to rip a huge ass lung hit of some real tasty ruthless ejuice and rip it at 80watts just to say fuck all the BS on this anti Vape BS.

Good night and sorry for the bad words but I'm passionate on this subject so later

 

[R-T-B]

To try to curb the animosity here, I don't think anyone is arguing that ecigs are WORSE than cigarettes (though they could be, I find this really unlikely). It is however, quite possible they are still doing you harm and they are no substitute for quitting unless quite frankly, you just can't do that.

The idea is foreign to me because I can't envision many things I'd willfully smoke or ingest on the premise that it "might not hurt me, we just don't know yet." Sounds shady. But if you already smoked, you've already made that mistake and your options are limited, I totally get that. Addiction is tough. People need to have some compassion on that front as well.