Games not smooth despite 60+ FPS when vsync is off!

[Aquinus]

It may explain why he sees some variation in 'general' performance vs. his previous installation and setup.

The stutter issue he describes is something separate.

Actually I think it could explain both. A lot of thrashing would kill performance but, an occasional thrash could cause hick-ups in the time it takes to render just one or two frames until performance normalizes back out (when the trashing stops.) The memory usage problem is a glaring problem and I don't see how anyone can avoid it as it could be the source most of the OP's issues as the frame latency could be directly impacted by how often the machine needs to swap pages. It's also entirely possible there is a background process that's causing the windows scheduler to not give the game the same amount of CPU time for every frame that gets rendered.

Something causes frame latency spikes and I'm trying to address the cause of that, not hide the symptom as you suggest because I think there is a problem here that needs to be addressed before determining if the frame latency could use more improvement from tweaking settings. The simple fact is that memory seems to be in short supply on his system and rectifying that problem could solve this problem in its entirety.

 

[newconroer]

I would agree with you, but if THAT amount of memory leak/issue was being observed, I would imagine the 'stutters' he experienced would be more akin to something you'd get with hard drive thrashing - several seconds of painful intermittent performance.

If it's simply a case of hitching or juddering that his eyes can sense when in motion, then it sounds more like he needs to address frame latency as the culprit.
And really, every one has frame latency that needs addressing, but they don't know what it is. Any time you see 'oh my game stutters' and then someone says 'it's probably micro stutter!' - you just know the conversation is going to devolve into myths, hearsay and ridiculous suggestions that won't solve the problem.

For that reason I will disagree that his memory usage is the sole root of his gaming concerns.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I pointed to the fix I mentioned because it makes sense given the op that his hdd could be being used as a sole page file.
I have messed with such things and I noted that the stuttering I saw was much less evident with a faster page file.

On longevity I could have mentioned that the same Ocz (alleged shit brand too)
Revo x2 did 5 years as a main Os drive , pagefile and also folded 24/7 for a lot of that 5 years so wear is off my radar on ssds as they are better now not worse.

Might not be his sole issue but I would expect it to help.
As for why when vsync is off well if his memory is over utilised turning vsync off will generate more fps hitting its frame buffer and more load on main memory wouldn't it.

 

[ShiBDiB]

Wait... isn't the answer to just turn on V-Sync? That's why it exists...

 

[Aquinus]

Wait... isn't the answer to just turn on V-Sync? That's why it exists...

Frame latency isn't perfectly consistent with v-sync on. That's the complaint.

I would agree with you, but if THAT amount of memory leak/issue was being observed, I would imagine the 'stutters' he experienced would be more akin to something you'd get with hard drive thrashing - several seconds of painful intermittent performance.

If it's simply a case of hitching or juddering that his eyes can sense when in motion, then it sounds more like he needs to address frame latency as the culprit.
And really, every one has frame latency that needs addressing, but they don't know what it is. Any time you see 'oh my game stutters' and then someone says 'it's probably micro stutter!' - you just know the conversation is going to devolve into myths, hearsay and ridiculous suggestions that won't solve the problem.

For that reason I will disagree that his memory usage is the sole root of his gaming concerns.

You know, the OP hasn't gotten back to out about the page file though. It's entirely possible that the page file already is on the SSD and that these little blips in frame latency is the SSD chugging away with the page swaps. As @theoneandonlymrk said earlier:

I have messed with such things and I noted that the stuttering I saw was much less evident with a faster page file.

So it's not unrealistic to assume that Windows may have been installed properly and that the swap file is indeed already on the SSD and that these blips are those swaps.

All I'm saying is the this behavior very well could be a result of memory. There is one fact here that is not in dispute where just about everything else is speculation:

Gosh , i should mention that sometime (very often actually) a my memory usage goes up to 94% after about one hour when playing some game or working on After Effects. Even when i turn off After Effects or game memory usage does not get back to normal. It stays to 94% until i restart PC. Sometimes i get terrible lag as well that force me to restart PC (This not happening very often)

How does that not scream a memory capacity issue if you don't mind me asking? It could be a background process causing issues or an application not actually closing. Either way, the OP did say this is a problem and without resolving it, I don't think we can say much about the state of the rest of the computer.

 

[MrGenius]

I might as well clarify myself too. Since everyone else is.

First, I agree in full with Wat, wait(wtf?), Aquinus, sorry.

Second, I have also experienced a similar issue as the OP that was resolved by using a faster paging file. In fact, I'm using it right now. Via my SATA 3.0 WD Black HDD, with 16GB of USB 3.0 ReadyBoost installed. In case you were wondering.

 

[Brokencarr00t1]

Nothing of this fixed my problem. And stop telling that this is because my monitor and this is the way it should be without vsync on , cause it WASNT like that before! If you want to help me futher tell me how to install windows 8 properly. Cause i did it once but did not fixed the problem.

 

[Schmuckley]

Win 8 might be the problem
Could be GPU drivers, too.
or lack of RAM.

 

[Brokencarr00t1]

Same copy of windows 8.1 worked perfectly fine before. Ive tried different gpu drivers as well

 

[Schmuckley]

try disabling page file
if that doesn't work..
DL this: https://www.softperfect.com/products/ramdisk/
Make a 1236 MB RAMdisk,format it to NTFS WITH the program..
then set a 1024MB pagefile on the RAMdisk.

 

[Brokencarr00t1]

Nothing of this helped me. Ive noticed that i feel that non smoothness when i turn , then i notice that my fps goes from 90 to about 70. Still not the fps that should provide that akward choppy gameplay....

 

[Schmuckley]

70 fps is choppy?
Break yoself an buy a compatible RAM stick..that is my recommendation.

 

[Brokencarr00t1]

70 fps is choppy?
Break yoself an buy a compatible RAM stick..that is my recommendation.

Dude i have 8gb of corsair , brand new. Last time ive checked 8 was plenty for gaming. And yes i get 70 fps, but it feels like it drop to 40, im a hardcore gamer så i know whats smooth and what is not. Anyway thank you for trying to help me.

 

[MrGenius]

Dude i have 8gb of corsair , brand new. Last time ive checked 8 was plenty for gaming.

Are you serious?

Check again.

IMO, 8GB is the minimum for a decent gaming experience these days. And the more the merrier.

 

[Brokencarr00t1]

Are you serious?

Check again.

IMO, 8GB is the minimum for a decent gaming experience these days. And the more the merrier.

That feeling when im on tech forum looking for an answer and it turns out that those who should provide it need it more than me.
Dude please tell me, which game use more than 6gb of ram?

 

[MrGenius]

Just one? Try Assetto Corsa. And I'm sure there's plenty more.

 

[Aquinus]

Nothing of this helped me. Ive noticed that i feel that non smoothness when i turn , then i notice that my fps goes from 90 to about 70. Still not the fps that should provide that akward choppy gameplay....

Dude i have 8gb of corsair , brand new. Last time ive checked 8 was plenty for gaming. And yes i get 70 fps, but it feels like it drop to 40, im a hardcore gamer så i know whats smooth and what is not. Anyway thank you for trying to help me.

That feeling when im on tech forum looking for an answer and it turns out that those who should provide it need it more than me.
Dude please tell me, which game use more than 6gb of ram?

Then what the heck do you think this means?

Gosh , i should mention that sometime (very often actually) a my memory usage goes up to 94% after about one hour when playing some game or working on After Effects. Even when i turn off After Effects or game memory usage does not get back to normal. It stays to 94% until i restart PC. Sometimes i get terrible lag as well that force me to restart PC (This not happening very often)

That screams at me that you are running out of memory based on the information you gave us. I asked you to verify this and if you did to get more memory but, you seemed to ignore me... All I saw was a post says "I didn't see it," which is a fast way of saying you probably didn't look hard enough or didn't bother looking at all because what I said would show all memory usage. The simple fact is that I don't really care what you think is good enough. I'm telling you what I see and what I think is going on and I think you're running low on resources which is what a tech forum tends to give you.

Also, a game doesn't need to use 8GB alone to hammer your computer because other things like the OS and background services are in memory as well. I turn my computer on and it's instantly using 2.5GB of memory. All it takes is a browser or two and maybe something else and you're already chewing through half of your memory. Then you run a game that uses 5GB, then it has to swap 1GB out of physical memory (actually more to ensure some space is available after.) So now the game is running "in memory" but everything else is now running from a page file and every time something needs to happen in the background that requires that swap space, you get a performance hit.

I've explained why this is probably happening several times but, we can't help you if you're not willing to help yourself.

 

[Brokencarr00t1]

Im sorry , im overreacted a bit. But please understand me , its killing me that i spend so much money on pc and turns out that i cant even proper gaming.

I want to update you a little bit. I was messing with a lot of things and that choppy gameplay is a bit better. Any other fix you could suggest?

 

[AsRock]

If i get the time later i will remove 8GB of ram see if the game plays worse for me.

Just make sure you don't have your pagefile on your HDD as that can course the issue too along with the game being installed on one.

 

[Brokencarr00t1]

If i get the time later i will remove 8GB of ram see if the game plays worse for me.

Just make sure you don't have your pagefile on your HDD as that can course the issue too along with the game being installed on one.

Alright , i was installed windows 8.1 again without hdd plugged in. When install was done i plugged in HDD . Can you explain me exactly how do i check if i have pagefile on HDD?
Also to mention i have same results when i plug off hdd and play games.

 

[Schmuckley]

That feeling when im on tech forum looking for an answer and it turns out that those who should provide it need it more than me.
Dude please tell me, which game use more than 6gb of ram?

AC4 for one..

Alright , i was installed windows 8.1 again without hdd plugged in. When install was done i plugged in HDD . Can you explain me exactly how do i check if i have pagefile on HDD?
Also to mention i have same results when i plug off hdd and play games.

You don't even know how to set your computer up for gaming.
To answer your question: Control Panel>System>Advanced>Performance>Settings>Advanced>Virtual Memory..
PS:I bet you have a 12-16 GB pagefile,and that is your problem right there.

Also:
http://www.blackviper.com/service-configurations/black-vipers-windows-8-1-service-configurations/

 

[MrGenius]

We are being rather kind...considering.

Okey but how do i do that?

See here http://www.softwareok.com/?seite=faq-Windows-8&faq=133

That we seem to be going around in circles endlessly here.

 

[Brokencarr00t1]

AC4 for one..



You don't even know how to set your computer up for gaming.
To answer your question: Control Panel>System>Advanced>Performance>Settings>Advanced>Virtual Memory..
PS:I bet you have a 12-16 GB pagefile,and that is your problem right there.

Also:
http://www.blackviper.com/service-configurations/black-vipers-windows-8-1-service-configurations/

AC4 worked fine on my 8gb ram , did not even used 5gb (always have msiafterburner when i gaming). Played almost on ultra settings smoothly. Dont ever dare to try it now.

Anyway , this is how my paging thing looks like , what do i need to change?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cfccr5i926vhv0c/Untitled.png?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/704z4ocfl2ii386/Untitled2.png?dl=0




Really , appriciate that you trying to help me , even if im a bit rude , but trying to fix this 3 days now....

 

[brandonwh64]

That feeling when im on tech forum looking for an answer and it turns out that those who should provide it need it more than me.
Dude please tell me, which game use more than 6gb of ram?

Modded minecraft.... Had 8GB and it would eat up all but .3 so I changed to 12GB

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Just one? Try Assetto Corsa. And I'm sure there's plenty more.

I play Assetto Corsa with 8gb. I speak from experience, 8gb is fine for that game. My experience in that game is smooth as can be.