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I don't agree. To me, what you are suggesting is laughable. They aren't a nefarious company trying to take over your life...they simply want access to your life so they can sell you stuff you already want. :p

That is certainly an interesting take on things! It made me laugh :laugh:
 
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Is it possible to pull an image of the current OS (Win7 Pro in my case with orginal 64bit disc), after that upgrade to Win10 and put back the old image after more than 30 days? Will the key still be valid?

This whole Win10 upgrade thing is a fucking mess. Combine that with all the data collecting BS and I m really starting to think about going back to the old days of using an OS.

The old key is still valid after upgrading to 10 right now at least, I actually upgraded to 10(was already activated) then wanted to clean install so I downloaded the iso and then realized upon reinstall I installed 32bit instead of 64 bit so I reinstalled windows 7 and my windows 7 key still activated after the 10 upgrade and then downloaded the 10 iso again(this time 64bit) and it activated automatically.

so as it stands if you upgrade to 10 right now your 7 or 8 key is still valid but in 30 days, I'm gonna guess it will still be valid.

Is it a mess for some people, I would agree completely, it was for me. Original upgrade failed and had to reinstall 7 to see that you don't get the update to get the GWX app after upgrading(whether or not it fails or succeeds) and need to manually install windows 10 with the tool but I have 4 other devices I upgrade to and all 4 worked fine with the upgrade, even my bay trail device(Pipo X7) so I'm guessing the download was corrupted maybe or something since the first day the servers were getting hammered hard.
 
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On my gaming rig I did a normal upgrade with a third party antivirus/firewall and it screwed up a lot of stuff (expected when you don't uninstall a security suit before an OS change). So I formatted everything and did a clean install of Windows 10 and it activated like a champ with no key. They tie the activation to your MS account.

Also Phenom ignore the trolls. They are all butt hurt they have to jump through more loops to get free crap.

Good to know. Im still waiting for my upgrade.
 
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Does W10 break the factory restore option? Sounds like a question for the manufacturer.

You should make a DVD restore set.
In the case of "ransom ware" the factory restore partition can become corrupted as well.
I have had to order factory disks from HP to fix a corrupted rescue partition.

ANYONE have an answer to saving the Windows.old folder for later use?
My restore partition is fine. I just checked it a little while ago and it still loads up and will still set the lappy to factory specs. I was just wondering if I had to use it in the future would win 7 activate or not. Not sure if I would be able to use a fresh install of win 10 on here and don't want to leave myself with no options if the os gets craped out and I have to do a reinstall. By crapped out I am not talking a hardware failure just a screwed os.
 

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Good to know. Im still waiting for my upgrade.
You can start it right now. As a matter of fact I bet your updater has already tried. Check windows updater and see if you have any "Upgrade to Windows 10 failed" in "installed updates".

If so post back.
 
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Yes, it's time for you to get your feet wet.

You could also download direct, Here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10
Given the number of people IRL I have dealt with in the past couple of days, I'd highly recommend to NOT do anything unless GWX tells you it's ready to do so. 99% of people that did not already get the upgrade notice registered for the upgrade using gmail or other non-Microsoft email addresses. Switch to Hotmail or outlook address, it'll upgrade quickly. So if you have used M$ email, but did nto get upgrade notice... YOU ARE LIKELY TO HAVE SOME SORT OF PROBLEM. 1 out of 20 I have dealt with (so three people now lol) has driver installation issues. Of course, this is not people online, but people local to me.
 

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Given the number of people IRL I have dealt with in the past couple of days, I'd highly recommend to NOT do anything unless GWX tells you it's ready to do so. 99% of people that did not already get the upgrade notice registered for the upgrade using gmail or other non-Microsoft email addresses. Switch to Hotmail or outlook address, it'll upgrade quickly. So if you have used M$ email, but did nto get upgrade notice... YOU ARE LIKELY TO HAVE SOME SORT OF PROBLEM. 1 out of 20 I have dealt with (so three people now lol) has driver installation issues. Of course, this is not people online, but people local to me.

I am using Microsoft email address, I am also one of the Insider people. I have confirmation emails in my microsoft account about reserving for the upgrade.

You can start it right now. As a matter of fact I bet your updater has already tried. Check windows updater and see if you have any "Upgrade to Windows 10 failed" in "installed updates".

If so post back.

Nope, nothing in the update history.
 
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Your GWX will notify you when it is time to upgrade. If you got the pop-up and then closed it, no big deal, but if not... might want to wait.
 
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GWX dissapeared on our Asus T100TA (2 in 1 tablet PC) so we did the upgrade through the MS media creation tool. Everything went smooth as butter, activated then got win 10 atk package from asus and touchpad drivers. Continuum not working yet but no big deal. Same procedure with media creation on a machine with an E8400, P35 mobo and a HD 4850 smooth as butter, activated. Very much like the OS.
 
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GWX dissapeared on our Asus T100TA (2 in 1 tablet PC) so we did the upgrade through the MS media creation tool. Everything went smooth as butter, activated then got win 10 atk package from asus and touchpad drivers. Continuum not working yet but no big deal. Same procedure with media creation on a machine with an E8400, P35 mobo and a HD 4850 smooth as butter, activated. Very much like the OS.

Took the Bull By The Horns. Nice to see some courage shown.

Others are timid.
 

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they're probably being vague so they can adjust it based on feedback.
 

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So I figured I would let my old Lappy be my "Win10 Guinea Pig" I was kinda glad I did. The upgrade went smoothly but that is where it ended. The Laptop has become so slow and unresponsive. Accessing my HDDS takes MINUTES, I have 2 "Base System Devices" in my HW Manager that it can't find drivers for and neither can I. Could it be those devices slowing it down? I mean it ran Win 7 Pro 64 like a champ. It's a pretty old Acer Aspire 7520(Turion X2 1.9Ghz, NV 8400M)

So seeing as this one is about "do I get to keep my key?) How in the heck do I roll back to 7??? If it can upgrade without issue to 10 is there a way to go back to 7 just as easily? I would rather avoid a format if possible. Like I said it's old, I juggle alot of drivers for it and it's getting tougher to find working ones. Already in 10 I have lost my Browser "Forward/Back" swiping on my touchpad that alone is enough to make me wanna punch my cat...

So I don't "dislike" Win10 I like what I see but my Laptop disagrees with me. Needless to say I will be holding off on upgrading my Desktop for a awhile I think. I''m not missing anything until the first crop of DX12 games comes out.

TL;DR: Can I/How do I roll back to Win7?
 
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There's your problem.

The Turion X2 is even worse than the Core 2 Duo 1.8Ghz I installed on (worse IPC). It's far too slow for 10's metro junk that is always running in the backdrop IMO.

Unfortunately, I don't know how to rollback or I'd help you out.
 

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So I figured I would let my old Lappy be my "Win10 Guinea Pig" I was kinda glad I did. The upgrade went smoothly but that is where it ended. The Laptop has become so slow and unresponsive. Accessing my HDDS takes MINUTES, I have 2 "Base System Devices" in my HW Manager that it can't find drivers for and neither can I. Could it be those devices slowing it down? I mean it ran Win 7 Pro 64 like a champ. It's a pretty old Acer Aspire 7520(Turion X2 1.9Ghz, NV 8400M)

So seeing as this one is about "do I get to keep my key?) How in the heck do I roll back to 7??? If it can upgrade without issue to 10 is there a way to go back to 7 just as easily? I would rather avoid a format if possible. Like I said it's old, I juggle alot of drivers for it and it's getting tougher to find working ones. Already in 10 I have lost my Browser "Forward/Back" swiping on my touchpad that alone is enough to make me wanna punch my cat...

So I don't "dislike" Win10 I like what I see but my Laptop disagrees with me. Needless to say I will be holding off on upgrading my Desktop for a awhile I think. I''m not missing anything until the first crop of DX12 games comes out.

TL;DR: Can I/How do I roll back to Win7?
Simple. Go to the start menu, and click settings,

Then click recovery....

and a button should be there to revert. :)
 

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Simple. Go to the start menu, and click settings,

Then click recovery....

and a button should be there to revert. :)

Thanks Dave! I hope I can get my old 7 back

There's your problem.

The Turion X2 is even worse than the Core 2 Duo 1.8Ghz I installed on (worse IPC). It's far too slow for 10's metro junk that is always running in the backdrop IMO.

Unfortunately, I don't know how to rollback or I'd help you out.

Yeah well it's just a websurfer and media streamer so it "did" that job just fine. I actually had a line on a faster Turion(Har Har ;) ) from another member here but the deal just never panned out.
 
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Hey if it ain't broke don't fix it, amirite? It'll do fine as a Windows 7 websurfer.
 

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Hey if it ain't broke don't fix it, amirite? It'll do fine as a Windows 7 websurfer.

Yep and thanks to Dave it was pretty darn painless to go back now that I knew where to look. Seeing as you mentioned my Turions poor performance, would you be surprised that it came with Vista installed`? But I am now definitely a little gun shy with my Desktop now. Now that I have seen it and spent an evening or 2 with it I like what I saw but the performance hit was just unbelievable, worse than Vista.
 

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they're probably being vague so they can adjust it based on feedback.
Yeah, remember when Vista came out, they tried licensing retail copies so that they could be transferred to another computer only one time? That caused a bit of an outrage and they backed down pretty quickly. They pull this crap every time. :rolleyes:
 
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Yep and thanks to Dave it was pretty darn painless to go back now that I knew where to look. Seeing as you mentioned my Turions poor performance, would you be surprised that it came with Vista installed`? But I am now definitely a little gun shy with my Desktop now. Now that I have seen it and spent an evening or 2 with it I like what I saw but the performance hit was just unbelievable, worse than Vista.

It needs a pretty modern processor to activate most of it's performance benefits (something with SSE4 or greater I'd imagine).

Not surprising that it tanked here.
 
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windows update doing its hashing before updates is harsh on machines, i've got an i3 ultrabook that destroys most tasks i throw at it, but once windows update starts checking for updates (code for '100% CPU usage one one core for a while) it lags terribly until its done.

a fresh win10 install could run like crap without a few hours to sort out its background tasks.
 
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This has been answered before, the answer is yes.

I disagree because it's not fully laid out. The whole consuming license statement PLUS the declaration of only 30 days to retrograde means we won't know for sure until someone tries it after 30 days.
 

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I disagree because it's not fully laid out. The whole consuming license statement PLUS the declaration of only 30 days to retrograde means we won't know for sure until someone tries it after 30 days.

That's what i have been thinking.
 
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