13 years of AMD loyalty being questioned

[phanbuey]

Did someone say ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT?
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-...VVEvTFPQsjs/s1024/2011-12-07_20-44-19_297.jpg

It's sitting on my geek shelf. Memory artifacts when run.

Someone did say that... but I dont think it was newtekie

 

[OneMoar]

AMD is the vitcum of mismanagement and poor direction I was a AMD fan for as long as you where and then I got my hands on a 2500k ... yea intel for life now

 

[Shou Miko]

I am currently considering the i7-2600k and the Asus P8Z68-V/GEN3 (unless the non-"GEN3" one is Gen4?)

Gen4 u kidding? it's not only one untagged with any Gen is just Gen2 and the one with Gen3 has it's first x16 slot at Gen3 mode when u put in a Ivy Bridge CPU if u put in a Sandy Bridge with will only do Gen2....

 

[eidairaman1]

K7 was more RISC than CISC

meh... AMD will come back... thing to remember is, processors for gaming (what else do we need a 4.5GHZ CPU for?) are Robin, where as GFX cards are Batman... Maybe in AMD's case they are spider man and Nvidia is the green goblin...

Either way, processors are the queens and the GFX cards the prime ministers... they are the whip cream to the banans...

I think the BD is a step in the right direction, they are taking the ATI approach to processors IMO... more cores, simpler cores (a reduced complexity core - a RISC to CISC approach) but massive potential.

Dont forget that before the 4870, 5870 and the 6970 there was the 2900XT. That was by all accounts an epic fail, and in some cases the 1950XTX beat it, an older gen, while consuming less power. But now, Nvidia is releasing Kepler in maybe 2012 and AMD is already shrinkwrapping the pallets of the 7xxx series to slap some 580 around.

AMD is down, but its definitely not out IMO.

 

[xvi]

You should get an award for so many quotes

Thanks!

That is wishfull thinking, it seems Intel CPU's are going up.

The prices on Newegg are moving around a bit. The processors used to be cheaper on Amazon, surprisingly. I'm not sure if I really want to order from there though.
These should update automagically:

Newegg
i5 2500k

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i7 2600k

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i7 2700k

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Amazon
i5 2500k

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i7 2600k

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i7 2700k

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I have the FX-8120 clocked at 4.40 GHz with a CPU vCore of 1.375v, and NO it's not sucking back power as everybody likes to claim, though I do admit taking her past the 4.50 GHz mark along a vCore higher than my stable 1.375v, the heat starts pumping out like mad.

I hear power usage is decent as long as you're not pushing it. I might push if I move to water (especially since AMD seems to be endorsing it now).

So for me 4.40 GHz and even 4.50-4.60GHz is the sweet spot. That's a wopping 1.30GHz to 1.50GHz speed boost over stock clock Also if you just want to stick with 3.60GHz, just up the multi and that's it. No vCore increase, no nothing, easily turn your FX-8120 into a FX-8150.

..but the FX-8120, in theory, wouldn't clock up as high as a FX-8150 would. The only reason why one would is if they binned a FX-8150 to fill demand for the FX-8120. Seeing as how the 8150 is constantly sold out, I doubt that'll be the case.

I have trouble with the ol' "overclocking a lesser processor to match the speed of a greater processor" debate. Why would I overclock an inexpensive one and not a higher-end one? Granted 4.5GHz is pretty decent for binned, I've heard tales of 5+Ghz on the 8150.

 

[kyussgr]

It sounds like it will be available if you drop in an Ivy Bridge processor later though. Regardless, PCIe 3.0 isn't something I'm too terribly concerned about at the moment. It seems like it would be nice to have (future-proofing), but not a huge requirement to me.

AMD motherboards seem to top out around $200-250 where as Intel boards can reach up in to the $500 range (X78).

Yes PCIe 3.0 will be available if you drop in an Ivy Bridge, but have you ever changed the processor using the same platform? I have never done it as it doesn't make sense spending 500 Euros or so for processors and still have the same platform. Thats why I recommended waiting 3-4 months so that you make the expenditure once.

I have done quite a bit of research (in the Greek market) and you can't really built a quality AMD system cheaper than an quality Intel system (P67 vs AM3+). I am not talking about X79 systems... (I wonder who is going to buy one of those - crazy)

If the machine is going to change hands in the future why don't you wait till that time to buy a new motherboard (there will be better products later on).

Don't get me wrong I also want very very much to change my system but I try to restrain myself and be sensible. I don't know if I am going to last for 3-4 months though.

 

[MilkyWay]

Well in response to the OP i recommend the 2500k and Z68 chipset. The HT is not really worth the extra money unless you need it. The future upgrade-ability is there if you get an Ivy Bridge compatible board.

Get a 2500k on special or even go for a second hand one. Clock it to 4.5ghz and forget worrying about any other choices. Supposed to be good for SLi and Crossfire setups.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

I have trouble with the ol' "overclocking a lesser processor to match the speed of a greater processor" debate. Why would I overclock an inexpensive one and not a higher-end one? Granted 4.5GHz is pretty decent for binned, I've heard tales of 5+Ghz on the 8150.

Because slower processors are usually the same processor but binned at a lower speed

Plus buying the lesser processor can save you anywhere upto $60 or even more. so youre getting more for less.

 

[xvi]

Yes PCIe 3.0 will be available if you drop in an Ivy Bridge, but have you ever changed the processor using the same platform? I have never done it as it doesn't make sense spending 500 Euros or so for processors and still have the same platform. Thats why I recommended waiting 3-4 months so that you make the expenditure once.

I have done quite a bit of research (in the Greek market) and you can't really built a quality AMD system cheaper than an quality Intel system (P67 vs AM3+). I am not talking about X79 systems... (I wonder who is going to buy one of those - crazy)

If the machine is going to change hands in the future why don't you wait till that time to buy a new motherboard (there will be better products later on).

The computer that this would replace is a Socket A Athlon XP 3000+ and I'd like to replace that for Christmas (or at least close to it). They're looking at buying new parts for themselves. What I have is better than what they'd most likely purchase, so handing this one down would be win/win.

Because slower processors are usually the same processor but binned at a lower speed

Plus buying the lesser processor can save you anywhere upto $60 or even more. so youre getting more for less.

..but typically that processor is binned because of manufacturing defects that either prevent it from running at the higher speed, cause one (or more) cores to fail, etc..

Even if there is some defect, AMD is going to leave some headroom for stability's sake, naturally. I'm sure that nearly every 8120 out there has more than enough headroom to go up to 8150 speeds (especially if you bump voltage), but I'm not going to buy an 8150 and just leave it stock. Logic would dictate that an 8150 would be more likely to clock higher than an 8120. While an 8120 at 5GHz isn't impossible, it should be more likely and/or easier on a 8150, no?

On the contrary, HWbot.org says the average OC for the 8150 and the 8120 are nearly incidental on water.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

..but typically that processor is binned because of manufacturing defects that either prevent it from running at the higher speed, cause one (or more) cores to fail, etc..

Its always the luck of the draw my friend - thats how it works, thats how its always worked.

Back in the day I had an FX-55 that wouldnt clock for shit. the clocks tested stable. but when i ran benchmarks i tend to loose a chunk of points so i just didnt bother.

the early batches of SB chips had no problem hitting 4.8-5Ghz, but im hearing even getting to 4.8Ghz is slowly becoming increasingly difficult due to some unknown changes.

just because they are binned at a lower speed doesnt meant that they didnt fit the bill to be the next model up.

This is similar to the whole AMD X3 to X4 core unlocking and 6950 to 6970 unlocking getups.

some 6970s are binned as 6950s probably to meet stock requirements, (or it could be just a PR/marketing stunt by AMD to grab more market share) afaik there have been loads of 6950s that can be successfully unlocked. the AMD X3 was abit tricky i admit and unlocking the extra core never guaranteed stability at even stock clocks.

so you are half right if you know what i mean.

 

[LiveOrDie]

2600K man and never look back.

 

[Melvis]

For the price id go the 1100T thats a HUGE difference in price, compared to not that much in performance difference, going by your benchmarks does the 2600K twice as fast as the 1100T? answer is no, simple.

 

[LiveOrDie]

For the price id go the 1100T thats a HUGE difference in price, compared to not that much in performance difference, going by your benchmarks does the 2600K twice as fast as the 1100T? answer is no, simple.

:shadedshu

 

[twicksisted]

13 years of AMD loyalty being questioned

I've never understood this.
Do you owe them something for using their products and is the brand loyal to you?
Its your money at the end of the day but I cant see the reason in buying something just because you have built up some imaginary idea of loyalty in your mind to something like a brand name regardless of its actual value and performance.

 

[Melvis]

:shadedshu

:shadedshu

 

[LiveOrDie]

:shadedshu

Why would he buy old out dated hardware thats just , If he goes for 2600K then last he has room to upgrade.

 

[fullinfusion]

You should get an award for so many quotes

That is wishfull thinking, it seems Intel CPU's are going up.

I have the FX-8120 clocked at 4.40 GHz with a CPU vCore of 1.375v, and NO it's not sucking back power as everybody likes to claim, though I do admit taking her past the 4.50 GHz mark along a vCore higher than my stable 1.375v, the heat starts pumping out like mad.

So for me 4.40 GHz and even 4.50-4.60GHz is the sweet spot. That's a wopping 1.30GHz to 1.50GHz speed boost over stock clock Also if you just want to stick with 3.60GHz, just up the multi and that's it. No vCore increase, no nothing, easily turn your FX-8120 into a FX-8150.

I dont know what the real difference between the 8150 and 8120 really is but your wrong on the power issue. These BD chips are power pigs and I got the proof...
around 4.5 on the 8150 under full system load..

Besides stop fooling your self... the BD is a piece of shit! I dropped back in my 1090T yesterday and what a difference in performance.... At stock speeds its still faster then the BD @ 4.5ghz and draws a heck of a lot less power...

 

[trickson]

Personally blind loyalty is not a good thing . After all do you think they know who you are ?
I would go with what best fits your needs and you wants not just blind loyalty .

 

[fullinfusion]

Personally blind loyalty is not a good thing . After all do you think they know who you are ?
I would go with what best fits your needs and you wants not just blind loyalty .

I myself have been loyal but not no more... after amd said they are not making the cpu's for the enthusiast anymore I thought they can go fuck themselves excuse my french. My 1090T runs like butter at what ever I toss at it and plus I love the mobo... its going to be 1155 or 2011 for me but I havent seen any 1155 mobos that look good like the CHV and the 2011 are bloody crazy dollar wise.

 

[OOZMAN]

In Australia, the 1100t is $200, while the 2500k is $230. And z68 is similar price to 990 fx. No brainer.

 

[Melvis]

Why would he buy old out dated hardware thats just , If he goes for 2600K then last he has room to upgrade.

Thats not the point, why would you spend twice as much on something that wont give you twice the performance? Who says he wont have room to upgrade from that combo?