5800X3D Running 91C on Moderate Load

[parufy]

Hey yall,

I spontaneously checked my temps on HWINFO while playing modded Minecraft and my CPU temps were ludicrously high. It didn't indicate any throttling, but it seemed excessive for the workload. So, I did some investigation into lowering my temps. My motherboard was running a BIOS from April 2022 (when I upgraded to the 5800X3D), so I updated it to the latest version, enabling PBO2. I reapplied my fan curves (100% fan duty at 90C) and rebooted. Same temps; pinned at 91C. Seeing this, I set the curve optimizer to -30, PPT to 100, TDC to 70, and EDC to 100. Rebooted, and... same temps. The clocks increased a solid 200MHz, though.

I won't be able to reseat/repaste the CPU until the 13th, so I was looking for any advice for now. I attached HWINFO screenshots in case I'm missing something. Thanks!

Relevant specs:
CPU: Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Cooler: Corsair H150i RGB PRO XT (top-mounted exhaust)
Motherboard: ASUS B550-F GAMING
Case: Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic (all 9 fans)
GPU: XFX MERC 310 RX 7900 XTX
PSU: Corsair RM850x SHIFT

 

[rusty caterpillar]

Hey yall,

I spontaneously checked my temps on HWINFO while playing modded Minecraft and my CPU temps were ludicrously high. It didn't indicate any throttling, but it seemed excessive for the workload. So, I did some investigation into lowering my temps. My motherboard was running a BIOS from April 2022 (when I upgraded to the 5800X3D), so I updated it to the latest version, enabling PBO2. I reapplied my fan curves (100% fan duty at 90C) and rebooted. Same temps; pinned at 91C. Seeing this, I set the curve optimizer to -30, PPT to 100, TDC to 70, and EDC to 100. Rebooted, and... same temps. The clocks increased a solid 200MHz, though.

I won't be able to reseat/repaste the CPU until the 13th, so I was looking for any advice for now. I attached HWINFO screenshots in case I'm missing something. Thanks!

Relevant specs:
CPU: Ryzen 7 5800X3D
Cooler: Corsair H150i RGB PRO XT (top-mounted exhaust)
Motherboard: ASUS B550-F GAMING
Case: Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic (all 9 fans)
GPU: XFX MERC 310 RX 7900 XTX
PSU: Corsair RM850x SHIFT

Minecraft is mining your CPU

Other games temps? if is a mod maybe isn't optimized properly.

Increase fans RPM to the exhaust. Do some preemptive cooling: for example 40 % RPM when CPU is 30 C and increase it further to 100 %. Maybe your curve hits too late and can't keep up.

I see are 9 fans, but can be be various setups- specially in OD. How many fans intake and how many out?

 

[Vya Domus]

Seems abnormal to me as well especially with -30 curve optimizer. I can't advice anything else other than reseating the cooler.

 

[parufy]

Seems abnormal to me as well especially with -30 curve optimizer. I can't advice anything else other than reseating the cooler.

Sounds about right. I'll get back to this thread in a few days, then. Thank you

 

[Bobaganoosh]

what kind of paste is on there? is it whatever came with the aio?

 

[parufy]

what kind of paste is on there? is it whatever came with the aio?

I got this cooler when I got my 5600X ~3 years ago. I repasted using MX-4 when I upgraded to the 5800X3D.

I do remember the mounting bracket bending somewhat significantly before the screws stopped turning. I am not sure if I way-over-tightened it or if that's normal.

 

[rusty caterpillar]

I got this cooler when I got my 5600X ~3 years ago. I repasted using MX-4 when I upgraded to the 5800X3D.

I do remember the mounting bracket bending somewhat significantly before the screws stopped turning. I am not sure if I way-over-tightened it or if that's normal.

Try IC 7 dries slower.

 

[Bobaganoosh]

There's very little power in the 5800X3D, but it's in a really tiny spot under the IHS, so it's still important to have good paste and good contact to try and help get the heat out of that tiny little spot. So if the paste dried out or contact wasn't the best (which may speed dry-out) that isn't going to help. You can get Prolimatec PK-3 Nano for like $8 on amazon (not sure where you are). It lasts a long time and has really good performance. just my 2 cents.

 

[neatfeatguy]

I got this cooler when I got my 5600X ~3 years ago. I repasted using MX-4 when I upgraded to the 5800X3D.

I do remember the mounting bracket bending somewhat significantly before the screws stopped turning. I am not sure if I way-over-tightened it or if that's normal.

I've never tightened something that tight when it came to mounting any coolers in any build where, as you said, "the screws stopped turning". Usually once they give resistance I give maybe another 1/4 turn and leave things be. If that's what you did, then cool. But if you kept going until you couldn't physically turn the screws anymore, I would call that way over tightening it.

 

[parufy]

Minecraft is mining your CPU

Other games temps? if is a mod maybe isn't optimized properly.

Increase fans RPM to the exhaust. Do some preemptive cooling: for example 40 % RPM when CPU is 30 C and increase it further to 100 %. Maybe your curve hits too late and can't keep up.

I see are 9 fans, but can be be various setups- specially in OD. How many fans intake and how many out?

CPU running around 82C in Cyberpunk.

I have my fans set up where the bottom three and side three are intakes and the exhaust is the AIO on top. I also have two little 80mm fans in the rear exhaust position.

I'll set all fans to full speed and see if temps improve.

Edit: all fans maxed out and I'm still getting like 90C after a minute in-game.

 

[Double-Click]

Was that that with a reseat as mentioned earlier or still same as before?
That's still pretty high in game, 82c is more like what I'd get (-30 CO) while running Cinebench R23.

 

[A Computer Guy]

I got this cooler when I got my 5600X ~3 years ago. I repasted using MX-4 when I upgraded to the 5800X3D.

I do remember the mounting bracket bending somewhat significantly before the screws stopped turning. I am not sure if I way-over-tightened it or if that's normal.

You can potentially have uneven mounting pressure. A bending mount doesn't sound good.

 

[physicsjunky]

Back when i had an air cooler (TF 2) my 5800x3d had an average of 70C to 86C while gaming it had a (-30 CO) curve. while loading TLOU shaders the cpu maxes out and is pushed to 90C. I recently got a great deal on a 360 EK AIO and it has proved significantly. Idle temps are high 30s low 40s and while gaming its in the 50 to 70C range.

 

[Todestrieb]

Looking at the first screenshot, that is 90C at 70W right? On a bloody 360 AIO? Something in the cooler is horribly horribly wrong. Likely that bent bracket.
Mine is on -30 curve. It should pull ~110W and at most reach 85C on Cinebench on a big fat air cooler.
On normal games it should be around 70C.

 

[GerKNG]

minecraft with a high viewing distance actually hammers the CPU when moving/looking around.
run cinebench. my 5800X3Ds are in the high 70s (stock) and low 70s with -30.

 

[cst1992]

Looking at the first screenshot, that is 90C at 70W right? On a bloody 360 AIO? Something in the cooler is horribly horribly wrong. Likely that bent bracket.

Agree, check it.
360 AIOs are built to take 200W; 90C on 70W SHOULDN'T HAPPEN. Not at all.

 

[Bobaganoosh]

As a side note on the aio, any way you can check to hear if the pump is running (or is there an RPM feedback anywhere)? Another fun test is to disconnect the radiator and shake it to see if you hear sloshing around. It's a subjective test as there's always a little air in them and can have slight noise even when new, but if any, it is usually incredibly slight. After a few years, air tends to get into the aio and then you can hear a good amount of sloshing. After significant air gets in the system performance tanks and the pump will die eventually too. It sounds like the system is year old? so I wouldn't expect that yet.

 

[rusty caterpillar]

CPU running around 82C in Cyberpunk.

I have my fans set up where the bottom three and side three are intakes and the exhaust is the AIO on top. I also have two little 80mm fans in the rear exhaust position.

I'll set all fans to full speed and see if temps improve.

Edit: all fans maxed out and I'm still getting like 90C after a minute in-game.

Cyberpunk 82 C - depending on what is the FPS you using, capped or not, and of course the in game settings and also taking in consideration 4K that 82 C can be right.
That mod in Minecraft- I don't know.
1. Real example: my friend played Warcraft 2 on his GTX 1070- the stupid emulator brought his card to 55 C. From 30 to 55C - sad joke. Unoptimized or something else?
2. AoE 4 set on 60 FPS in game @2k, my 1080 Ti was going to 74 C average of 68-70C. 1vs1 battles nothing major. Capped FPS in Nvidia ctrl panel by program tab to 60 FPS - my 1080 Ti stays around 50 average with peak on 55C. Yes the game ignored my in game setting of 60 FPS and was doing so for 1 year? 2 years for others. Yeah, the intended bug still goes.
3. Red Dead Redemption 2 - kept my card at 84 c despite the fact I set my settings to low when Is seen the temps, still 80 C, yap- ignoring user settings.
Is a growing trend in games but, OS as well user settings are to be ignored meanwhile pull some "overlay" over their eyes.

You see where I'm going?

Anybody remember ATI Catalyst drivers in which you can share you processing powers with some Labs in the name of the better good and science? And the drivers happily did that for you, well, apparently you could set up the desired %. I remember you could share your CPU power trough same graphic drivers design for your GPU. What a marvel! Nowadays is a default? I wonder, from Red and Green teams alike. Well that better good changed to crypto. No?

Your fan setup seems ok and is a good case.
1.I would look first in capping Minecraft at 100 FPS In Adrenaline - global setting or per/program will be better. Test and open a fresh HWinfo. Also can you open the game offline for the test purposes?
2.As other suggested, bent bracket or even cold plate corrosion/deposits of free oxides mixed with the thermal paste. Not necessarily you gonna see deposits they can blend in if are in small amounts. If is a Cu cold plate than your paste will be slightly green.
3. Is possible that you mount the AIO with uneven pressure? Did you remove the plastic cover from the cold plate? It happens.....
4. In some games GPU workload is shifted to the CPU even that GPU can do it faster. War Z pushes my CPU in first 2 min of the game to 77C @100 (which is kind of Cinebench temps for my Ryzen 7600 stock) work load and I believe is just building shaders on the drive than is going back to 55C, is it possible Minecraft does that but don't know when to stop?
5. 47 C on your RX 7900 XTX is a bit too much for some fat pixels, that, if your HWinfo was only from Minecraft. Should be around 30C. Again I'm going towards software.

GL and again my first move will be capping FPS on Minecraft from outside the game really.

 

[Princess Garnet]

Out of curiosity, what version of Minecraft is this? In my experience, some versions more than others seem to really load the CPU a lot (like, 100% regardless or core/thread count) while the game is on the "Mojang" splash loading screen, and perhaps for some seconds on the title screen after. I notice this is the case in 1.19, maybe 1.18 as well, but in 1.20 it isn't as bad about it anymore. So some of the previous versions did more things on initial setup than the latest version does and they were loading the CPU harder.

You might even be playing an older version given you are talking about modded. Modded is a separate layer on top of this. Some of them can be some combination of heavy/inefficient (like the game itself).

I also have a 5800X3D (on air cooling with a Dark Rock Pro 4) and was was seeing ~90C give or take as the maximum under this exact condition. It's fine; it's part of how these CPUs behave and they will retain boost if they have the thermal room to do so, but in gameplay it wasn't getting nor staying this high, and probably shouldn't be with good cooling.

And as someone else said, Minecraft is deceptively heavy on the CPU at times, especially when generating/loading new terrain, or at higher render distances, but it's not very threaded otherwise and you'll basically just see a core or two under load most of the time.

So let us know if this is under select circumstances or if it's all the time when playing. You may or may not have an issue depending on the details, but yeah I noticed this to an extent when I got my 5800X3D too under this exact game and situation. My prior 3700X wasn't quite as warm (but the 1.19 and older versions title screens still got that one to ~80C to 85C, albeit that was on the stock Wraith Prism cooling). Again, on 1.20 this seems to be less of an occurrence as the loading/title screen don't seen to load it as hard. If I load my 1.19 profile it definitely does.

Something like Prime95 or OCCT or Cinebench might give a good idea of what to expect from a 100% sustained core load. I'm around ~85C in Cinebench last I checked, but it will spike will brief moments up to the limit around 90C. Again, it's not necessarily an issue unless it's easily getting there, staying there, and throttling. But your frequencies look normal and if it's not throttling, then it seems fine to me. Zen 3 and newer just can run warm.

 

[freeagent]

I cant get my X3D to hit 80c even at 140w+

 

[RAA!]

I'm starting to wonder if there is an issue with the 5800X3D itself. I've been combating 90c temperatures at full load with a Dark Rock Pro 4 and all the fans completely maxed out. It will go from mid 30's to 90 almost instantly as if there was no cooler there at all. I've done everything I can do to mitigate this.
I wonder if some 5800X3D's have IHS issues?

 

[freeagent]

You did turn on curve optimizer right?

 

[parufy]

Was that that with a reseat as mentioned earlier or still same as before?
That's still pretty high in game, 82c is more like what I'd get (-30 CO) while running Cinebench R23.

My thermal paste is at home and I'm away at college until the 13th I'll try to reseat then.

As a side note on the aio, any way you can check to hear if the pump is running (or is there an RPM feedback anywhere)? Another fun test is to disconnect the radiator and shake it to see if you hear sloshing around. It's a subjective test as there's always a little air in them and can have slight noise even when new, but if any, it is usually incredibly slight. After a few years, air tends to get into the aio and then you can hear a good amount of sloshing. After significant air gets in the system performance tanks and the pump will die eventually too. It sounds like the system is year old? so I wouldn't expect that yet.

The cooler is around 3 years old. I can try turning down the fans to hear the pump but it's not audible over my already low fan noise at idle.

Out of curiosity, what version of Minecraft is this? In my experience, some versions more than others seem to really load the CPU a lot (like, 100% regardless or core/thread count) while the game is on the "Mojang" splash loading screen, and perhaps for some seconds on the title screen after. I notice this is the case in 1.19, maybe 1.18 as well, but in 1.20 it isn't as bad about it anymore. So some of the previous versions did more things on initial setup than the latest version does and they were loading the CPU harder.

You might even be playing an older version given you are talking about modded. Modded is a separate layer on top of this. Some of them can be some combination of heavy/inefficient (like the game itself).

I also have a 5800X3D (on air cooling with a Dark Rock Pro 4) and was was seeing ~90C give or take as the maximum under this exact condition. It's fine; it's part of how these CPUs behave and they will retain boost if they have the thermal room to do so, but in gameplay it wasn't getting nor staying this high, and probably shouldn't be with good cooling.

And as someone else said, Minecraft is deceptively heavy on the CPU at times, especially when generating/loading new terrain, or at higher render distances, but it's not very threaded otherwise and you'll basically just see a core or two under load most of the time.

So let us know if this is under select circumstances or if it's all the time when playing. You may or may not have an issue depending on the details, but yeah I noticed this to an extent when I got my 5800X3D too under this exact game and situation. My prior 3700X wasn't quite as warm (but the 1.19 and older versions title screens still got that one to ~80C to 85C, albeit that was on the stock Wraith Prism cooling). Again, on 1.20 this seems to be less of an occurrence as the loading/title screen don't seen to load it as hard. If I load my 1.19 profile it definitely does.

Something like Prime95 or OCCT or Cinebench might give a good idea of what to expect from a 100% sustained core load. I'm around ~85C in Cinebench last I checked, but it will spike will brief moments up to the limit around 90C. Again, it's not necessarily an issue unless it's easily getting there, staying there, and throttling. But your frequencies look normal and if it's not throttling, then it seems fine to me. Zen 3 and newer just can run warm.

I'm running Minecraft 1.20.1 with Fabric. I attached a ss of the mod folder.

My CPU genuinely runs at 91C the entire time I'm in-game.

minecraft with a high viewing distance actually hammers the CPU when moving/looking around.
run cinebench. my 5800X3Ds are in the high 70s (stock) and low 70s with -30.

ss of HWINFO after 10 min cinebench run

Cyberpunk 82 C - depending on what is the FPS you using, capped or not, and of course the in game settings and also taking in consideration 4K that 82 C can be right.
That mod in Minecraft- I don't know.
1. Real example: my friend played Warcraft 2 on his GTX 1070- the stupid emulator brought his card to 55 C. From 30 to 55C - sad joke. Unoptimized or something else?
2. AoE 4 set on 60 FPS in game @2k, my 1080 Ti was going to 74 C average of 68-70C. 1vs1 battles nothing major. Capped FPS in Nvidia ctrl panel by program tab to 60 FPS - my 1080 Ti stays around 50 average with peak on 55C. Yes the game ignored my in game setting of 60 FPS and was doing so for 1 year? 2 years for others. Yeah, the intended bug still goes.
3. Red Dead Redemption 2 - kept my card at 84 c despite the fact I set my settings to low when Is seen the temps, still 80 C, yap- ignoring user settings.
Is a growing trend in games but, OS as well user settings are to be ignored meanwhile pull some "overlay" over their eyes.

You see where I'm going?

Anybody remember ATI Catalyst drivers in which you can share you processing powers with some Labs in the name of the better good and science? And the drivers happily did that for you, well, apparently you could set up the desired %. I remember you could share your CPU power trough same graphic drivers design for your GPU. What a marvel! Nowadays is a default? I wonder, from Red and Green teams alike. Well that better good changed to crypto. No?

Your fan setup seems ok and is a good case.
1.I would look first in capping Minecraft at 100 FPS In Adrenaline - global setting or per/program will be better. Test and open a fresh HWinfo. Also can you open the game offline for the test purposes?
2.As other suggested, bent bracket or even cold plate corrosion/deposits of free oxides mixed with the thermal paste. Not necessarily you gonna see deposits they can blend in if are in small amounts. If is a Cu cold plate than your paste will be slightly green.
3. Is possible that you mount the AIO with uneven pressure? Did you remove the plastic cover from the cold plate? It happens.....
4. In some games GPU workload is shifted to the CPU even that GPU can do it faster. War Z pushes my CPU in first 2 min of the game to 77C @100 (which is kind of Cinebench temps for my Ryzen 7600 stock) work load and I believe is just building shaders on the drive than is going back to 55C, is it possible Minecraft does that but don't know when to stop?
5. 47 C on your RX 7900 XTX is a bit too much for some fat pixels, that, if your HWinfo was only from Minecraft. Should be around 30C. Again I'm going towards software.

GL and again my first move will be capping FPS on Minecraft from outside the game really.

1. Capping FPS sadly didn't change anything noticeably
2. I will check for a green tinge... but I'm kinda colorblind (╯‵□′)╯︵┻━┻
3. I had to remove the AIO and clean off the paste to prep for my 5800X3D upgrade. If I missed the plastic cover, I'm a bonehead.
4. My Minecraft mod loadout utilizes many threads, so I'm definitely not experiencing vanilla game behavior.
5. My GPU runs full throttle. Makes sense, as it saturates my 1440p UW @ 180Hz.

You did turn on curve optimizer right?

yeah

 

[GerKNG]

i just remembered that i had the exact same problem and the solution for it back when both the cooler and zen 3 were brand new.
the CoolIt Coldplates from the XT (had two of them) is so convex that it makes really bad contact on ryzen.
both of my H150i Pro XT were really hot on my 5900X because the coldplate is specifically designed for the concave intel IHS.
even found my photo of my finished system. and i remember how unhappy i was with this AIO.

 

[rusty caterpillar]

i just remembered that i had the exact same problem and the solution for it back when both the cooler and zen 3 were brand new.
the CoolIt Coldplates from the XT (had two of them) is so convex that it makes really bad contact on ryzen.
both of my H150i Pro XT were really hot on my 5900X and a small NH U12S was already beating it because the CoolIt Coldplate is specifically designed for the concave intel IHS.
even found my photo of my finished system. and i remember how unhappy i was with this cooler specifically.
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My old Prolimatech Air had convex cold plate, designed to cool up Intel CPUs more than AMD. In this situations type of thermal paste counts. Higher granulation is need it I believe.