OK I am old enuff and bold enuff (although I have plenty of hair) to be the first to stand corrected and eat humble pie
But if I may comment on a couple of points raised, firstly.....Darkmatter, I have just skipped through the thread and I cannot find anyone who is saying that they cannot hit 14000 so it cannot be possible, if you look, all my comments were geared towards the 14000 futuremark link, I dont think based on the very threads that you are refering to (but most importantly you didnt look at the one in my post, 5 above this) that showed a HWBot rig Q6600 @ 3.8Gig with a 320MB GTS clocked at a core of 783Mhz (both CPU and core considerably higher than lekamies) that it was unreasonable of me to deduct that at 3.6Gig on a quad with considerably lower clocks that it was not valid??? that rig with those specs only scored 14,1 and something, I know different now but as I said, I think it was a reasonable deduction based on facts.
Yes I understand about Shader clocks, beleive it or not, I have my card shader overclocked as well as core overclocked with the shader not in sync with the core, as you will probably be aware, that is easy now within the latest edition of Rivatuner. My point was, with a core clock of 783Mhz on the rig example I showed, without any further "shader tweaking" the shader clocks are not going to be significantly lower and I would imagine someone who has such a good 3D Mark 2006 score as the example I gave would have enuff knowledge to overclock his shaders seperetly in any case. In any case, we are talking 3D Mark 2006 here which is not particularily shader intensive.
I was never interested in whether the card could acheive scores over 14000, it was quite obvious from the research I did that it was capable (because earlier I did state I could be wrong.....and I was!), I just found it difficult to beleive that those clocks on a Q6600 and the GTS could acheive them, I only really came in because there was a flame war about to start between cefurkan and Trt that was un-necessary, right or wrong, as I said earlier, there is no need to insult people, to be fair he did not insult me but thats not the point.