9800 Gx2 results ?

cooler · Jan 24, 2008

fake results from
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=171932&highlight=gx2+simulation

http://bbs.chiphell.com/viewthread.php?tid=14847&page=1&authorid=6390

JRMBelgium · Jan 24, 2008

Well, the benchmarks look realistic, but I doubt that these are valid.

candle_86 · Jan 24, 2008

so do I, premature drivers is my guess

JRMBelgium · Jan 24, 2008

What's up with ATI and their drivers? It's like their good drivers always come weeks after the hardware release.

Sure, Nvidia had some problems at 8800 release, but it seems like ATI needs to optimize their drivers over and over again for every single card they release...

PyroX1040 · Jan 24, 2008

I agree completely with you Jelle Mees, I'm a big AMD guy and I personally would get an ATI card but the drivers are my biggest worry when it comes down to it I currently am running 2 8800GTX and I can't say any other card out there can out preform my 2 8800GTX 666/2000 ^.^

JRMBelgium · Jan 24, 2008

PyroX1040 said:
I agree completely with you Jelle Mees, I'm a big AMD guy and I personally would get an ATI card but the drivers are my biggest worry when it comes down to it I currently am running 2 8800GTX and I can't say any other card out there can out preform my 2 8800GTX 666/2000 ^.^

Dude, you can releax. With 2 8800GTX cards you can continue playing on high resolutions for at least another year...

Far Cry 2 will be the only game with requirements simular to Crysis...

I am planning on buying the 9800GTX, not that I need it ( currently playing Gears of War on 2048x1536 with constant 62FPS+ ) but because it will be my last upgrade before I switch over to console gaming...

InnocentCriminal · Jan 24, 2008

Jelle Mees said:
Far Cry 2 will be the only game with requirements simular to Crysis...

Check out the requirements for Assassin's Creed...

I can't wait for TPU to review this card and the 3870 X2 - it's going to be interesting. MHAHAHAHAHAH!

candle_86 · Jan 24, 2008

we already know the winner and its not shit box AMD and there royale crap fest.

Nex- · Jan 24, 2008

Shut up Candle. Your like a little kid. I think that 90% of us do not agree with your pitty conclusion!

InnocentCriminal · Jan 24, 2008

candle_86 said:
we already know the winner and its not shit box AMD and there royale crap fest.

I detect some juvenile fanboism there, ATi put some sand in your vagina at some point did they?

ShadowFold · Jan 24, 2008

InnocentCriminal said:
I detect some juvenile fanboism there, ATi put some sand in your vagina at some point did they?

I think these are real, but they are pretty sad imho. If they dont get good drivers out this is just another 7900GX2.

JRMBelgium · Jan 24, 2008

candle_86 said:
we already know the winner and its not shit box AMD and there royale crap fest.

Eaven though you are probably right, you shouldn't post it like that.
Fanboy replies will only results in insults...

cooler · Jan 25, 2008

fake

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=171932&highlight=gx2+simulation

candle_86 · Jan 25, 2008

the simple fact is AMD/ATI hasn't even been tring to put up a fight, the only reason to go AMD is if your poor. Right now Nvidia runs the roost and AMD is tring to keep up. ATI has yet to impress me. By the time the power of there r300 was useful the NV40 was out. Then they go lazy and don't do SM3, and then they try a brute force apporoach and loose still as Nvidia was ready for them. Untill they make a product that truly dominates and is useful today, I will never give them any notice.

magibeg · Jan 25, 2008

As much as i enjoy a democracy some people should definitely get less say than others. Going ATI over nvidia does not mean your poor, although on a side note the idea is to get the best price to performance anyway, unless of course you feel like wasting huge amounts of money. The 3850 and the 3870 have been performing admirably, and although a 3870 may not be able to best a 8800gt, it is priced proportionately to still make it a valid buy.

JRMBelgium · Jan 25, 2008

The biggest problem for ATI is that Nvidia works so close with Epic, Crytec and Valve.
Nvidia is faster in all Unreal Engine 3 games, all CryEngine 2 games and all Source games.

I play Gears of War on 2048x1536 with my 8800GT and my framerate never drops below 55.
Try that with the 3870...

ATI needs some partners...

candle_86 · Jan 25, 2008

magibeg said:
As much as i enjoy a democracy some people should definitely get less say than others. Going ATI over nvidia does not mean your poor, although on a side note the idea is to get the best price to performance anyway, unless of course you feel like wasting huge amounts of money. The 3850 and the 3870 have been performing admirably, and although a 3870 may not be able to best a 8800gt, it is priced proportionately to still make it a valid buy.

yes but as was said when x1800xt came out, its to little to late. What user that got an 8800GTS 320 or 640 will upgrade? Alot of people won't it took them a year to get a card out that wasn't hot, overpriced and power hungry to interest folks, but it was to little to late to make a diffrence.

Thats there biggest problem, half decent cards but when it takes them months to a year to compete most people upgraded already. And lets not even talk about midrage cards right now, the sub 200, the new HD3650 finally manages to tie 8600GT, sure it fixed the problem with the HD2600xt but agian its to little to late for them.

magibeg · Jan 25, 2008

I'm really not sure what benchmarks you have been reading but the 3850 destroys the 8600 in virtually everything. Thats why nvidia has to release a 9600gt. I am also getting a bit of a hint from you that you think the demand is currently low, which doesn't seem to be the case because most of the 3870's are "extremely allocated 1-3 weeks wait".

edit- not to be someone who starts an argument or anything, but i do like evidence to claims like the 3850 ties the 8600gt.

edit2- actually thats not a fair comparison after some research, find me a 8600GTS that comes anywhere near a 3850

Mussels · Jan 25, 2008

candle_86 said:
the simple fact is AMD/ATI hasn't even been tring to put up a fight, the only reason to go AMD is if your poor. Right now Nvidia runs the roost and AMD is tring to keep up. ATI has yet to impress me. By the time the power of there r300 was useful the NV40 was out. Then they go lazy and don't do SM3, and then they try a brute force apporoach and loose still as Nvidia was ready for them. Untill they make a product that truly dominates and is useful today, I will never give them any notice.

I'm going to give some good advice. Shut up, pay attention, listen.

Your opinion is very narrow. You dont seem to know a thing about hardware - 'go lazy and dont do SM3' - oh, so Nvidia ditching DX 10.1 while ATI already have it, is acceptable?

Seriously, you are being childish and trolling. You cant learn anything if you never stop talking BS all the time.

candle_86 · Jan 25, 2008

i said HD3650 not 3850. There is a 100 dollar differance between the 3850 and 3650 and between 8600GT and 3850.

As for demand, your point being? Look at the latest valve hardware survey, about the only we really get, but it shows the Geforce 8800 leading all other cards need i say more?

As for DX10.1 it is a worthless feature, look at what it actully does, sure its a .1 and can do more instructions blah blah blah, it offers no preformance gain nor does it offer IQ advantage like SM3 did over SM2. Its more akin to SM1.3 to SM1.4 which ATI did and Nvidia didnt, because it was one of the most worthless things done. As for hardware I study it, its practilly my life, and I have followed the trends and ATI does not interest me, nor does the fact they have a chance we already know they lost.

Mussels · Jan 25, 2008

the valve hardware survey is flawed.

Every time you install steam (even on the same PC, or multiple OS on the same PC) it records your hardware - many systems get entered multiple times, skewing the results. Who's more likely to format or run multiple OS's? enthusiasts with an 8800, thats who.

You are using faulty logic and a lot of assumptions, and its really aggravating to listen to your flawed reasoning.

candle_86 · Jan 25, 2008

provide me with a better result, how about AMD's quartly reports and compare to Nvidia? How about sales volume?

JRMBelgium · Jan 25, 2008

Mussels said:
the valve hardware survey is flawed.

Every time you install steam (even on the same PC, or multiple OS on the same PC) it records your hardware - many systems get entered multiple times, skewing the results. Who's more likely to format or run multiple OS's? enthusiasts with an 8800, thats who.

You are using faulty logic and a lot of assumptions, and its really aggravating to listen to your flawed reasoning.

Read your own post. You don't seem to realize that what you are saying is not true.

If Nvidia users reinstall steam, then ATI users reinstall steam...

At the moment the 8800 is #1, but last year it was the 7600GT and the year before that it was the 6600GT. How do you know who is more likely to format their OS??? Are you psychic?

Mussels · Jan 25, 2008

Jelle Mees said:
Read your own post. You don't seem to realize that what you are saying is not true.

If Nvidia users reinstall steam, then ATI users reinstall steam...

At the moment the 8800 is #1, but last year it was the 7600GT and the year before that it was the 6600GT. How do you know who is more likely to format their OS??? Are you psychic?

enthusiats with high end hardware always reinstall more than people without. Beginners with prebuilt systems wouldnt know how.

If Nv and ATI users all reinstalled at the same time, but there is 50% more Nv users - that lead becomes twice as large looking at the numbers.

100 Nv
50 ATI

if both reinstall, that suddenly becomes

200 Nv, 100 ATI. oh look NV doubled their lead... not.

JRMBelgium · Jan 25, 2008

Mussels said:
enthusiats with high end hardware always reinstall more than people without. Beginners with prebuilt systems wouldnt know how.

If Nv and ATI users all reinstalled at the same time, but there is 50% more Nv users - that lead becomes twice as large looking at the numbers.

100 Nv
50 ATI

if both reinstall, that suddenly becomes

200 Nv, 100 ATI. oh look NV doubled their lead... not.

First of all, if there are 50 ATI users and there are 50% more Nvidia users, then that makes it 75 Nvidia users, not 100...

I only format my PC once a year but I have to format my brothers PC ( not an pc-geek ) every 4 months! I worked in a computer, the same noobies came back over and over again for a format because they messed up their OS again.

100/50 = 2
200/100 = 2

The stat's don't change! Nvidia has 100% more before the "reinstalls" and Nvidia still has only 100% more after.

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