Asus AM5 X670E price is an extortion

[TheLostSwede]

There was also a "photoshoot" of AsRock B650 boards, which in the best traditions of the company are sharing PCB with x670 counterparts. May be one of the cheaper options, but I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for B650-based GB Aorus lineup. GB may had some f#$%ups in other hardware areas over the past few years, but they really pulled their s$%^t together in enthusiast motherboard segment.

You should send your thanks to HiCookie and Sofoklis at Gigabyte for that.

 

[Mussels]

Strangely, mostly Intel stuff just works from launch, not really counting the Asus motherboard problem which was not Intels fault.

I will be buying AM5 from launch, just hope it goes as smoothly as the ADL one did for me, worked out of the boxes with zero problems ever.

It's like apple: The intel stuff works because a lot more of it is locked down and hidden away.
AMD are like the linux of the hardware world, they expose it all and let you make or break it yourself.

Extreme (and outdated) example, my i7 6700 on a H170 board.
Compared to ryzen at the time, it's RAM stability was unparalleled: Because it was locked to 2133, where the ryzen boards would try higher speeds (and be unstable because of it)


Yes, we all love the freedom of tweaking and overclocking - but we're also all pissed off when we have issues we cant figure out easily, or automatic defaults don't work stable. The brands just have a different approach to it there, intels slow and steady approach bought them time to test everything and slowly unlock each generation, where AMD went balls deep on Zen 1 with a lot of unanswered questions.

 

[AM4isGOD]

The intel stuff works because a lot more of it is locked down and hidden away.

Tell that to my bios

 

[Mussels]

Tell that to my bios

HEY INTEL BIOS.

Bit vague on what BIOS you mean, be it intel or AMD - and what i said is valid as an over-arching theme. Z series intel boards have everything unlocked, but so does an AMD B550.

People are just less tolerant of any sort of problem, on 'general purpose' hardware

 

[AM4isGOD]

What i meant, and you know is, open the boxes, put it together, it boots up and works, no issues with ram, or usually CPU (i know you will pick at this bit shrug). I have done it countless times with different board, with different bios, and never had a failed post.

AMD had to have a ton of Ageesa updates from the start of AM4, and they still are to make them work correctly.

Also, what exactly is locked down and hidden away in a Intel bios?

But hey, lets not get into anything silly. I can't be arsed anymore. They both work with whatever updates are required.

 

[Vayra86]

What i meant, and you know is, open the boxes, put it together, it boots up and works, no issues with ram, or usually CPU (i know you will pick at this bit shrug). I have done it countless times with different board, with different bios, and never had a failed post.

AMD had to have a ton of Ageesa updates from the start of AM4, and they still are to make them work correctly.

Also, what exactly is locked down and hidden away in a Intel bios?

But hey, lets not get into anything silly. I can't be arsed anymore. They both work with whatever updates are required.

Exactly, and if you DIY your rig surely a little tinkering shouldnt scare you off either. But its certainly true that AMD does not always 'just work', I totally get the sentiment.

However lately Intel setups have also been far from problem free, mostly relating to OC settings defaulted to on. Different beast but results often aint funny.

 

[R-T-B]

"Only for the rich."

Learn to save money. You kids and your avocado toasts and Starbucks.

Try not eating, that's a cool trick!

I also hear if you reconnect your sewage line to your tap line and quit paying for water service, you could save hundreds! Also, whatever you do, do not go to the hospital for the resulting sepsis, it is expensive and only for noob millenials.

I think quite a few here missed the fact that toothless was being partially sarcastic. The "avacado toast and Starbucks" thing is meme material at this point.