ASUS GeForce GTX 590 3 GB

[Mussels]

look what i just found - AMD is challenging NVidia to beat it score in 3dmark

http://blogs.amd.com/play/2011/03/25/2056/

ohhh yeah, i wanna see how this unfolds.

 

[cowie]

testing voltage tuning on msi hd 6950 twin frozr iii now..

so guys .. where should i stop ? after 15 - 25 mv like nvidia recommends ? or go as far as the slider lets me ?

Well since you asked
I would think you would go as far as an end user is able to using normal amd software.
And if you use more then you would disclose this information that you did,as to not squew end user overclocking results.

Would end up sorta like the 460 hawk reviews if not.
In that case,reviewers show +200mv in a special afterburner but end users only had +100mv to use.That was done maybe for safety but it did mess up end user results.

 

[Harlequin_uk]

teutonic humour - who would have thought hats off guys nice one

 

[Kreij]

ohhh yeah, i wanna see how this unfolds.

That's almost worthy of it's own thread. Should be interesting to say the least.

 

[cheesy999]

That's almost worthy of it's own thread. Should be interesting to say the least.

i'd of made one but i think it counts as news and the mods generally don't like us normal people posting news

 

[Kreij]

We don't mind if you post an occasional news item you find (in the appropriate section) as long as you don't spam news or duplicate something already posted as a headline in the news section.
We already have the world's foremost news spammer (Bta) and to try to compete with him would be sheer folly.

 

[Harlequin_uk]

reading previous reviews - the 6850 in CF and the gtx 460 (even the 768,eg) in sli are within 5% of this card - for less than 1/2 of the cost oO

 

[cheesy999]

We don't mind if you post an occasional news item you find (in the appropriate section) as long as you don't spam news or duplicate something already posted as a headline in the news section.
We already have the world's foremost news spammer (Bta) and to try to compete with him would be sheer folly.

so where would this go - general hardware or just straight in the news section

 

[Kreij]

I would put it in the Graphic Card section. (You don't have access to post in the news section I believe)
That way Mussles, Paulieg and BP have to deal with the drama.

 

[wahdangun]

is that the easter egg ???

 

[Kreij]

Yes.

 

[newtekie1]

look what i just found - AMD is challenging NVidia to beat it score in 3dmark

http://blogs.amd.com/play/2011/03/25/2056/

Simple answer to AMD's request, nVidia will simply pick one random test, probably a real world benchmark that has more weight then the synthetic 3DMark2011, and show the GTX590 beating the HD6990.

Nvidia will probably pick HAWX2 as "an accurate representation of real world DX11 gaming."

 

[cadaveca]

Nvidia will probably pick HAWX2 as "an accurate representation of real world DX11 gaming."

You know that's exactly what went through the heads of those responsible for such @ AMD....









And yes, in my opinion, the card is an EPIC FAIL....I really push my stuff to the limit, and I haven't killed anything really since Core2 Duo. I guess I've made a whole bunch of 5870's develop a cold bug, but they didn't melt down and send molten bits onto the rest of my rig.

Nice easter egg, W1zz!

 

[MxPhenom 216]

look at what Linus was able to do. He didnt compare it to the 6990 but he was able to max out the voltage on the beta AB version he was able to get from MSI, and it didnt blow up at 1.050v and 809mhz. Theres also a guy over at OCN that has a 590 HC at 850mhz with 1.050v and it running great for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRhne0odjJA&feature=player_embedded#at=325

 

[N3M3515]

reading previous reviews - the 6850 in CF and the gtx 460 (even the 768,eg) in sli are within 5% of this card - for less than 1/2 of the cost oO

If you're going to play at 1080p i agree, but since these cards are for 1600p and beyond, the extra cash is justified.

hd 6970/6950 cf, well that's other story (not mentioning sli gtx570 because low memory)

 

[newtekie1]

look at what Linus was able to do. He didnt compare it to the 6990 but he was able to max out the voltage on the beta AB version he was able to get from MSI, and it didnt blow up at 1.050v and 809mhz. Theres also a guy over at OCN that has a 590 HC at 850mhz with 1.050v and it running great for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRhne0odjJA&feature=player_embedded#at=325

Yeah, like I said, I would guess these cards are safe at 1.1v or below.

What I find interesting, is that Linus says he "maxed out the slider" which is only 1.05v. So it seems nVidia has set the maximum there, only via BIOS editting or bypassing that BIOS limit in some way can you go higher.

So all the people saying 1.2v isn't extreme, obviously it is. And everyone saying that it is a bad card because it popped at 1.2v, well nVidia limits you to 1.05v just like I said they should(well I said 1.087v), and you have to bypass that limit and that is why it pops.

In fact the GTX590 BIOS I just looked at definitely has the voltage limitted to 1.063v, which is what software is supposed to follow and why AfterBurner's slider stops at 1.05v. It is possible to edit the bios and go higher, or find software that ignores that limit, but obviously there is a reason it is limitted to 1.063v, and an enthusiust should know this.

So concolusion: The card will not pop at stock, and it will more than likely not pop even if you max out the voltage slider either.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Yeah, like I said, I would guess these cards are safe at 1.1v or below.

What I find interesting, is that Linus says he "maxed out the slider" wich is only 1.05v. So it seems nVidia has set the maximum there, only via BIOS editting or bypassing that BIOS limit in some way can you go higher.

So all the people saying 1.2v isn't extreme, obviously it is. And everyone saying that it is a bad card because it popped at 1.2v, well nVidia limits you to 1.05v just like I said they should(well I said 1.087v), and you have to bypass that limit and that is why it pops.

so basically im not considering this card a fail anymore

 

[CDdude55]

so basically im not considering this card a fail anymore

It was never a ''fail card'' as some have suggested, those are just people overreacting.

The only issue's that arise is when severely overvolted, the actually card itself is fine. I don't understand how people can deem the whole card ''fail'' based on a non common issue.

 

[Harlequin_uk]

If you're going to play at 1080p i agree, but since these cards are for 1600p and beyond, the extra cash is justified.

hd 6970/6950 cf, well that's other story (not mentioning sli gtx570 because low memory)

well tpu havent got a review on multiscreen setup for this.... the highest they go to is 2560x1600

 

[Regenweald]

A 700 dollar 'enthusiast' card that can't handle overclocking by some of the best in the world. Nah, that not a fail....it's just that Nvidia as a company has now had a change in design direction and lower voltages, temps and acoustics, are now what the enthusiast crowd is calling for, right ?

 

[HalfAHertz]

Anyway it wasn't the core that failed, it was an electrical component. So if anyone is to blame, it should be the AIB partners for cheapening out. Don't forget that Ati and Nvida's cards are manufactured at the same place, using the same methods and similar silicon.

So if Ati's cores can scale to 1.3 and 1.4v then probably so can Nvidia's. And a lot of people seem to forget that the important frequency of the Nvidia cards is the shader one, the little bits that actually do all the hard work, whict is twice that of the core frequency. So they do scale nicely with voltage as well.

 

[newtekie1]

Anyway it wasn't the core that failed, it was an electrical component. So if anyone is to blame, it should be the AIB partners for cheapening out. Don't forget that Ati and Nvida's cards are manufactured at the same place, using the same methods and similar silicon.

So if Ati's cores can scale to 1.3 and 1.4v then probably so can Nvidia's. And a lot of people seem to forget that the important frequency of the Nvidia cards is the shader one, the little bits that actually do all the hard work, whict is twice that of the core frequency. So they do scale nicely with voltage as well.

It isn't really the AIB's fault that the power circuitry failed when they followed nVidia's reference design using nVidia's reference parts, and it fails because nVidia's GPU pulled too much power.

The reason AMD cores can hancle 1.3-1.4+v is because of how much power the core actually pulls. Power is measured in Watts, which is volts and amps. AMD's cores pull less amps, so they can handle higher volts.

Though, as it seems now, there really is no fault. Unless ASUS shipped W1z cards without the BIOS limitted to the 1.05v, then that would be ASUS's fault. Otherwise, whatever method W1z used to raise the voltage past the 1.05v limit is to blame. As the cards shouldn't be pushed past this limit, which is why nVidia put it there.

 

[Lionheart]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRo-1VFMcbc

Thought this was intermaresting

 

[newtekie1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRo-1VFMcbc

Thought this was intermaresting

Yeah, its been posted 3 times in this thread now...

Sweclockers was because they were still using the faulty original 267.52 driver.

From their article on their issues:

The first video card gave up the ghost when I overclocked by raising the voltage to the GPU. I did not think much more about it, that is, after all, what might happen and there's always Monday specimens, especially when it comes to early "samples".

Shortly thereafter, picked up Andrew to more suffered the same misfortune, and we decided to explore it all together with Nvidia.

Another video card was sacrificed in order to reach the conclusion that the driver is 267.52 which is the culprit. The test was repeated with the newer 267.71 and Nvidia's security mechanisms worked.

Roughly translated.

 

[gaximodo]

And can someone explaine to me why there isn't a voltage tuning section for 6990?
The 590 has far higher OC potencial even at stock which is perfectly safe, and while providing you the option to overvolt it also running quiter and being shorter than the 6990, AMD's new DX11 lines has forced lots ppl to change their cases, while NV never went above 11 inches.
Why should I consider a 6990 over this?