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  1. Huddo93

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    DVI and HDMI are basically the same @ 1080p. Most people use DVI as its a very easy option.. there is no need to specifically use HDMI, espeically when the monitor will have a DVI cable included.

    I'd prefer the dell, over the "Feature Rich" Asus. The 3D like you said is basically crap, and the speakers are horrible quality, you are much better off using speakers. Once upon a time I used to only game through a headset, now I much prefer using speakers, so if your looking to have a fairly permanent place for your gaming rig, look into getting a set of speakers when you have the cash.

    The Dell monitor, whilst having less "features" will have much better product support if anything goes wrong, and the build quality really beats most brand and in my opinion Asus. Its kind of like buying a Volvo or a Volkswagen if you have ever heard that expression :p It may not have the features, but its not gonna break, and by the add chance something goes wrong, it will be fixed easily and quickly.
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    Thanks for the information Huddo!

    And now I'm back at you guys with yet ANOTHER monitor decision.
    My friend says he has this Acer GD235HZbid Black / Orange 23.6" 2ms(GTG) HDMI...
    Hes telling me to get it because its 120hz.
    I notice it doesn't have the stuff you guys recommend I get such as IPS, so my question is, is 120hz worth throwing away IPS and all that jazz? Like I mentioned before I don't plan on 3d everyday, only looking at the screen because of the 120hz. Looking at youtube reviews I notice a lot of good reviews for it but theres some from 2011 and such so I'm wondering if its outdated and not worth it.

    Thanks! (again)
  3. MxPhenom 216

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    Not at all. Ill take the better color reproduction, contrast, and over all image quality in every scene then 120hz refresh rates. Now if that monitor was 120hz and IPS, then that might be a different story. I mean unless your into 3D and that kind of thing. Go for it I guess.
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    Yeah was my thoughts exactly, just figured I'd run it by you guys.
    Also don't want to spend that much but I was hoping you guys could discourage it and you did thankfully haha.
    Heres what else I found:
    Refurbished: ASUS VS239H-P 23" LED 1920x1080 Res 5...
    The price is what interest me the most but its refurbed. Any experience with refurb monitors?


    EDIT: Actually just noticed it doesn't qualify for free shipping which puts it around $165,
    ASUS VS239H-P Black 23" 5ms (GTG) HDMI Widescreen ...
    There it is new for $169.99 after mail-in-rebate and has free shipping so not as good of a deal as I thought.
    Dang it monitor choosing has proven to be the biggest challenge.
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    Just find a design you like, as long as its IPS and is in a price range you like, go for it! The difference between IPS Panels themselves in the same price range most likely wont differ that much, just find a monitor design you like thats in a price range your willing to pay and go for it.

    Get an IPS Panel then show it off to your friend with the 120Hz monitor, he will cry himself to sleep when he sees how much brighter and vibrant your colour reproduction is compared to his monitor :p
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    Don't forgot warranty and manufacture support :D
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    yeah I decided to save a few bucks and get the IPS panel for $179. It'll suite my needs.

    One other change I've made was I went on Cooler Masters site and found the Trooper case for $40 less as refurbished. I figure since its just the case refurbished should be fine.

    With the $40 I save from the case and $20 I save from the monitor, I'm thinking of upgrading the Gtx 670 to a 7970 3gb.
    Originally I was looking a the Sapphire ghz edition but its sold out on Newegg now so I was looking a the XFX.
    Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, L...
    Theres the comparisons, should I keep the $30 (thats how much the 7970 is over the 670 after rebate) or should I take the AMD plunge again? (If the sapphire comes back in stock I'm getting that one, if not it'd be the XFX since none of the others are in my budget)

    EDIT: added the GIGABYTE version to the list since I've actually heard of Gigabyte and never heard of XFX lol
    GIGABYTE GV-R797TO-3GD Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition ...

    And if I go with a 7970 it'd be sticking with one card because like I said before I HATE crossfire.
    So should I go single 7970 or get the 670 and than another one in a year?
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  8. MxPhenom 216

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    Either one you get, you won't need another if you only play at 1080p later on. I know in most benchmarks a stock GTX670 and HD7970 are basically equal in performance. Then the 680 is above both. But then if you take the GE edition of the 7970s it beats it all. You could get the gigabyte 7970 non GE edition, then flash the GE bios to it to easily get 1100mhz clocks.

    GIGABYTE GV-R797OC-3GD Radeon HD 7970 3GB 384-bit ...

    You could probably get a HD7950 too and just clock it to about 1100-1200 which will come close to stock 7970/680 performance.
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    Flashing the BIOS probably voids the warranty. Think it's just worth it for $50 to keep the warranty?


    EDIT:
    Alright, no more pu$$y-footing around lol
    Heres the purchase cart I'm going with:
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    Note the case I only have in there for reference, the actual version I'm buying is $40 cheaper (Refurbished from Cooler Master themselves)

    Reasons for the changes:

    680: I really want to go nVidia but I don't feel right buying a 670 and knowing I can get a 7970 for the same price so I'm just taking the plunge on the best 2gb version of the 680 (only 1080p so I don't think I need 4gb)

    Display: No need for 3d technology and its IPS (Doesn't say it in the shortened title but it is) for a good price.

    212+ cooler: I really don't think I need the h100i for the time being so I'm using that $80 to help with the GPU cost, and since its cheap its only $29.99 I'm throwing away when I have the money for a water cooler.

    3770k: Just feels right to get with a GPU that monstrous compared to a locked CPU.

    2x blue LED Cooler master fans: Replace the red fans included with the case with these to match the blue theme of my system.

    After mail in rebates ($70) and the discounted refurb case, the total is $1482. A little over what I wanted to spend but the peace of mind knowing I don't have to upgrade for a very long time is worth it.


    I just want to thank you all for the help and if you guys have any words on the finalized system I'd be glad to see them!
    Have a wonderful day! Can't wait to receive the system :)
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  10. MxPhenom 216

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    Goooooood lord!

    For one don't get the Cooler Master R4 fans you have listed. They suck.......like really bad. Cooler is fine, monitor is fine.


    ..........................................and why would you get that horrible monstrousity of a GPU? I would just get a factory clocked GTX670 to be honest. Itll be about the speeds of a stock GTX680 since they are so close at stock already.

    I always recommend the Evga GTX670 FTW.

    EVGA 02G-P4-2678-KR GeForce GTX 670 FTW 2GB 256-bi...

    or since it seems like you going for a blue theme.

    MSI N670 PE 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 670 2GB 256-bit GD...
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    Recommendations on the fans?

    And the only problem I have with the 670 is the price comparison to the 7970.
    Why go with a 670 thats less powerful than a 7970 and is the same price nearly?

    The Evga you suggested is $399, This 7970 is faster and $419.
    XFX Double D FX797GTDFC Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition...
    Also it comes with Crysis 3 and Bioshock Infinite codes which I can sell for $60 or so easy, so thats $359 for a card that is faster.

    Now being that I hate AMD, I don't see any other option than to go with a 680 that is $479 with amazing cooling.
    I know the 670 overclocked is as good as a 680 stock BUT its not as good as an overclocked 680 so comparing OC'd to non OC'd isn't very fair IMO lol
  12. MxPhenom 216

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    If you want good cooling at on a 680. Then get one of these 3 cards.

    GIGABYTE GV-N680OC-2GD GeForce GTX 680 2GB 256-bit...

    EVGA Superclocked, Signature 2 02G-P4-2687-KR GeF...

    MSI N680GTX Twin Frozr 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 680 2GB...

    That other gigabyte card you listed is going to be LOUD. It has like 5 super small fans, that will need go be moving at a really high RPM to be effective with cooling.

    But honestly a HD7970 GE edition such as, GIGABYTE GV-R797TO-3GD Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition ...

    Is going to perform better then the 680 anyways. I know you don't like AMD, but if your not running crossfire, single GPU setups from them are the best right now.

    And back to stock 670, the stock reference 670 vs. stock reference 7970 the 670 is actually faster by about 5%. Not much but still.
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    This cooling solution was tested and got good reviews but it is a bit louder. I would go with gigabyte's 3 fan solution.

    You forget to mention that gtx 680 uses less power and produces less heat. Also AMD drivers, although improved, are still not as good as nvidia's.
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    Don't forget guys that I'm coming from an m18xR2 laptop, I keep the three small fans at FOUR THOUSAND rpm 24/7 through HWinfo. When you come from laptops you have a mind set that "If you can't hear it, its not doing its job". I don't care about fan noise one bit, I rather hear it and know its working lol.

    As for the other three options Phenom gave I'm indeed checking out the other gigabyte since it fits my theme style but the look of the SoC gigabyte just makes all the other look like crap to me (Personal preference of course)

    And yeah I do realize the 7970's power which is why I said I'd smack myself if I got a 670 knowing I could get a 7970 thats more powerful and cheaper after rebates and selling the included games. Since the 680 is roughly the same speed I'm basically paying for the mindset of knowing I don't have to deal with AMD bullcrap drivers anymore (Been using AMD for 3 years). And that to me is worth the extra $70 or so premium in the long run :p
    Plus I still have Boarderlands 2 sitting in my steam library waiting to be played so Phsyx on the nVidia shall make the experience a little more fun ;D

    Also @MxPhenom, I notice you have a 680, just wondering if you regret getting it or something since you advise a 670 or 7970 instead? Mind shedding some insight on that? :)
  15. MxPhenom 216

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    Yes, I have a 680 and its been the best computer part ive got and upgraded to in the last 4-5 years. To the point ill probably get another one this coming summer, but pricing for Nvidia is awful right now. Not so much with the 670 since it performs right around the hd7970 with no overclocking, and its priced right with the 7970. But a lot of the 680 cards are $500+ still.

    So no I do not regret buying the 680 one bit. Just price to performance on the 670/7970s is quite a bit better I think.

    yes that is true, but if you talk to some people they have ZERO issues with AMD drivers right, and then a lot of people do have issues. Then you go to Nvidia and its the same thing. They are about the same at this point, maybe a little less stable for some things on AMD drivers, but for single card configuration they are damn close. Multi card is a different story though.
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    If I go for nVidia I do plan on a future SLI, if I went with AMD I'd never plan on Crossfire, so I just see the 680 being more future proof for me, the 670 is nice but I rather just not skimp on a part that is so crucial to the system, instead I'm getting the refurb case to make up for the costs so its around the same.

    And you're correct about single card setups being damn near close for drivers, but Crossfire is just garbage from experience. Rather have the SLI support ready for a future upgrade.


    680 it is folks, SoC since it looks like a freakin' bat mobile and I don't care about fan noise since either one will be quieter than what I'm used to in my laptop.

    Thank you all for the help, appreciated every ounce of information I got from you guys on here. Helped so much! :respect:

    The only last question I have now is, the 750w should be powerful enough to power this updated system right?
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    Yes, your build will probably only pull about $400w from the wall stock speeds.

    Get the Asus DirectCUII
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    Is that 400w with the hard drives? I will have a SSD as boot and 500gb as storage for now.
    Also will it still be okay with a second GPU in the future or would I have to upgrade the PSU when I got a second card?

    And this one?
    ASUS GTX680-DC2O-2GD5 GeForce GTX 680 2GB 256-bit ...
    Its clocked slower yet more money than the Gigabyte SoC no?
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    UPDATE:
    Here's what I ended up building guys!
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    CPU: Intel Core i7 3770k OC'd to 4.6ghz
    GPU: Gigabyte Windforce x3 GTX 680 OC
    RAM: 8gb 1600mhz DDR3
    SSD: 256gb Crucial M4
    HDD: 500gb 7200RPM WD
    PSU: Seasonic X-series 850w Gold
    Mobo: MSI Z77A-GD65
    CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i
    Case: CM Storm Stryker (modified)
    Added fans: 2x SP120, 1x AF140
    Case Lighting: NZXT Hue Controller
    Monitor: Asus 23" 1080p IPS Panel


    Just wanted to thank you all for the help!
    MxPhenom 216, ste2425 and MT Alex say thanks.
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    Great job:toast:
    I'm somewhat jealous:D
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    Very nice rig, now you get the fun of cable management and other things like that :p
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    Lol Thanks you two!
    Yeah the cables in the back are a MESS and I'm gonna have to dedicate a whole day to cleaning them up Lol!
    I think I did decent on the panel side with cables for my first time though :)
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    Aye I wasn't saying there a mess :)

    I may have missed it but have you thought about dust filters and things like that? Your cleaning regime is going to be a bit of a bigger job then with your laptop :)
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    Hahaha unfortunately there is though. :( got everything connected and was so excited to boot it up I just shoved the panel on LOL

    EDIT: The case has dust filters in it already :)
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    Nice Work! I See You Didn't Buy The Massive Gigabyte 680. What Made You Change?

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