Discussion in 'News' started by Darksaber, Jan 12, 2010.
I've had corsair stuff die but everyone loves them!
Each to their own I say
I know he isn't...
But he was (don't know if he is now) pro-actively going around to every forum saying: "don't buy, don't buy!"
Most people want to make an informed decision by seeing direct comparisons in thorough, impartial, reviews.
Asetek has been in the specialised cooling game a lot longer than coolermaster...
Granted CoolIT is yet to earn their "stars and stripes" but I don't care about reputation.
Bottom line I care about performance, so long as we don't get exploding Eco's!
if you follow that logic whats to say you arent going around every forum defending CoolIT?
Honestly it should be up to CoolIT to go around and show they fixed the prob rather than pretend there isant one.
I couldn't give a shit about promoting one entity over the other, I want to see the no's!
Have look at all my posts in other forums, search for the user jalyst, then have a look at his.
You will see that I often dismiss evidence that purportedly strengthens CoolIT's leadership claim as "crap".
Anyway I'm not interested in continuing such a silly debate...
He has his reasons for being an undying supporter Corsair, & he has a right to have them.
But no one has the right to "muddy the waters" for others trying to make objective decisions.
lol, there is no debate with me...you need to be on equal ground for that to work
im no fan of any of the premade water cooling setups no matter which company makes it.
And since he had one and it failed he has a right to voice his displeasure...Not only that he also linked to a reputable site that experienced the same thing 5 times over.
what fantasy planet are you from? Here in the USA its called free speech, right or wrong.
Look I don't want to get into round of kiddy insults so I'll try to ignore that.
Lets just see how things 'pan out' before saying "oh his sux" or "that rocks".
The evidence isn't on the table yet so we're debating crap.....
its not meant to be an insult
He has made plenty of reasonable complaints about a prior generation, as have others.
We are looking for the "jury to be out" on a the current, read: CURRENT.
Yes you can cast aspersions that because the last generation was a shocker the next will be a joke too.
But the reality is we simply do not know that yet!
That's all I'm arguing against...
He/you have the right to say your experiences were terrible in the last generation.
But he/you have no basis for knowing how good or bad the next one is going to be, YET.
Where are these problems?
My A.L.C seems nicely built, and I couldn't imagine it going wrong.
Seems like a bad batch got out is all to me.
ok back on topic (not that I dont appreciate you underlining all the hard words for me to understand)
Untill CoolIT redesigns their rad with integral metal barbs (like even the junk Coolermaster one did) that part will always be the weak link.
the prob is a design flaw, glad yours works for you but its highly unlikely it was just a bad batch
Here is a shot of an old CM rad
Bah your making me want to see what the barbs are made out of on my ALC now, because obviously the ones on the block are metal ( welded onto the block) it would seem odd to have such high quality in one place then tat in another : /
last thing you "made" me take apart, speakers! sub is about 6" 6 across but it takes up the majority of the cabinet so its not a case of them using a tiny speaker hiding behind a gril, its just the actual cabinet is tiny! only an inch( and a half perhaps) either side of it really.
You know I'm not sure if that's actually a fact for the Eco; care to provide a source to confirm it?
And even if it is, I don't see how one can jump to the conclusion that this alone is going to result in it performing worse.
Which is again why I prefer to hold judgement till we have actual "side-by-side" reviews.
LOL, while I enjoy wasting my time with you all you have to do is go look at CoolITs site to see. (notice the diam where the fittings are, they are very large to accommodate the plastic fittings)
Now go take a look at Corsairs and Asetek.
LOL, I speak the truth Grasshopper...That site makes the sub look just like the logitech one (kind of misleading)
dont mess with the fittings on ur cooler, if it works for you just enjoy it.
No need to be rude, I've tried to abstain from that.
Okay I've had a look, I honestly can't see what the problem you're referring to is.
From those pictures I can't conclusively tell whether the barbs are plastic or not.
We need a better source, and more importantly...
Isn't it pointless drawing conclusions from that alone until we have real comparative data?
I guesstimate (warning gross speculation) that it will be no better than the H50, maybe even worse.
Even if it's better, I guesstimate the difference will be so negligible that the best buy will be determined by pricing/support.
Which means Corsair/Asetek will most likely win out....
But if the avg. difference is more than 3 degrees, then I'd prolly be interested...
hey guys, just thought I'd like to point out that the reported failure rate is actually not that high, mobos, ram and gpus fail FAR more often, but you just RMA it no problem and thus is doesn't affect people .
These things are failing as everything else does, just these things cause trouble when they go!
Goes with the teratory(sp?) with WC though to be honest.
Google " Coolit failure"
only top 2 results are reported failures for me, one of the blogs has links to negative reviews which also doesn't add up to that much.
But look at reviews for my mobo, and look on Asus forum on my boards section, so many negative reviews/comments but mine is epic, and I'd be willing to bet the vast majority are also shit hot boards
but most importantly my board is only one product, you can't judge an entire brand of one product.
Seems its just been blown out of proportion to be honest.
Yep, people have bad experiences, that's terrible for them...
But I just want to see thorough, impartial, figures, then I'll decide if I want to take the risk.
Response I just got from a CoolIT sales rep, after enquiring about availability in Oz.
To be taken with a colossal grain of salt!
Thank you for your interest in our product.
The ECO ALC will be available through our Australian reseller called Altech in about two weeks.
In our testing the ECO ALC outperforms the Corsair H50 by as much as 8C depending on the testing situation.
Doesn't really mean anything IMO, the earlier lead I posted may turn-out to be more handy.
I've asked if they're getting it out to tech reviewers....
I've mailed CoolIT requesting a review sample, stating the reason for reviewing was that a lot of people have a lack of faith in their products.
so with any luck I'll sort of a review of the new ECO cooler !
Are you a reviewer on this site? Cool.
Hmm not ideal without a H50 to compare it to...
Perhaps you could email Corsair and say the same?
I'm going to be buying a H50 in the next day or so.
If the reviews are ok & if I feel like it, I may buy the Eco later.
Then I can compare the two...
now there is:shadedshu, you obviously have little to no product design /engineering experience so making it seem like your opinion has merit is just silly now.
(its pretty basic, look at the diam of the fittings/hoses on the coolers in question)
Can you stop with the personal attacks already, discuss the issue, not the man.
No I am not an engineer....
So now you're saying it's more to do with the diam, not that the Eco's barbs are plastic?
I have actually tried to compare hose width from photos alone, & I can't see a marked difference.
It looks like the Eco might be slightly thinner, but how that affects the total package I've no idea.
I don't think anyone could know, engineer or not, do you?
If you have an engineering background in a similar area...
Rather than be condescending, why not explain what you understand that I don't?
I repeat for the last time"(its pretty basic, look at the diam of the fittings/hoses on the coolers in question)"
I havent made 1 personal attack.
To the engineers that design this stuff im condescending, to you im trying to be polite. Since this is such a simple matter and yet you continue to not grasp what im trying to explain I give up.
(see I can underline words too, lol)
I now see where some confusion may have crept in, I misread post #63 in my response to it at #64.
In earlier posts you said barbs extending from the rad are plastic, I thought you were saying the same thing at #63.
But the basis for your claims of an inferior product had already shifted to "thinner hoses/fittings"...
So understandably you were irritated at #69 after you read my response talking about plastic barbs.
Yes as I said, slightly thinner fittings/hoses I think, so what?
What are you trying to say; "Thinner hoses, so worse cooler"?
Isn't that overly simplistic?
I know thick hoses can be important, but that's only one part of the equation.
How can you deduce that it's better based on that alone?
I don't even know for sure if they are thinner, I've not found any measurements yet.
And I don't know the dimensions of it's other components either.
If there's schematics/measurements that demonstrate why most components of the H50
are better, then lay em out.
It's still prolly pointless until we've just got the darn things 'side-by-side'.
Even then, in certain scenarios one may be slightly better than the other, & vice versa.
Anyway I'm sick of discussing this, it's utterly futile!
I just want to see real comprative reviews and will draw my conclusions from that, simple.*
Others can draw theirs from the disdain they may have for one co., that's fine by me.
Of course if the results are close, things like dodgy track record, & quality of support will come into play!
Apologies if I have in some way offended you...
I just could not understand some of the points you were trying to make.
And I can be anal in pressing for clarification if a point is not expressed clearly (in my mind).
I will not try to debate anything with you any more, all the best.
I'm unsubscribing from this thread, happy debating & enjoy your H50's/Eco's everyone!
*I'm getting a H50 or cousin anyway...
I'm not prepared to wait till the body of evidence is conclusive either way.
Pffft no, I wouldn't work here
I like the community here not TPU its self XD
But I have done reviews in various mediums about various products over the years.
I think a lot of people are over-looking one of the main benefits of these solutions. If your custom water cooling system murders you £1000 PC it's YOUR fault, if one of these fails it isn't, and if you were to send the right kind of email to the support / marketing department you'll probably end up with a shiny new PC, or at least you will if they know what's good for them...
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