Core i5 or Core i7?

[Atomic77]

My computer a HP Envy 400-417 has been pretty decent with gaming but I don't really play real high end games. It has a core i5 4570 3.20GHZ processor in it with a HD4600 INTEL integrated video card in it. Just got on Christmas 2014.

 

[Schmuckley]

i5 is fine for gaming.
OC the crap out of it

 

[BiggieShady]

The i5 may end up gaining nothing in a DX12 environment, Whereas the i7 stands to gain a slight boost if the rumors are true.

When a new version of a graphics API gets much lower CPU overhead, then every CPU gains from it.
Proper multithreaded rendering will indeed make i7 better for games in DX12, where at DX11 i5 and i7 give pretty much the same results.
So we get improvements on both fronts, but major gains will come from reduced CPU overhead for all CPUs proportionally.

 

[Raw]

It may be one site, but it consistently shows the advantages of the two classes of Intels. What I find a bit surprising is how consistently poor all the AMDs performed with even the i3 3220 beating all or most AMDs with each game tested.

AMD announced last year (maybe in 2013) that they will no longer compete head to head with Intel, but they have every intention to keep nipping at their heels and Intel knows it. This will keep Intel looking over their shoulder and all that will be good for consumers. But still, after looking at GhostRyder's links, AMD needs to step up their game.

It's the person who submits posts, not to contribute or participate in a mature discussion, but for the sole purpose of criticizing others with puerile comments that does it for me.

Feel free to unsubscribe and stop wasting your time reading, or ours with posts that don't add any value to the discussion.

For me, I thank GhostRyder's and Frag Maniac and others for their contributions to this "endless discussion" and to yogurt21 and Iceni for joining the thread today to add theirs.

In reference to your post #43...
How about "YOU Feel free to unsubscribe" and stop treating the members with such rudeness with a statement like "Feel free to unsubscribe". I'd much rather see that happen.
Your OPINION only regarding I7 vs. I5 is not factual at all, regarding gaming.
Just because you are a fanboi of I7 is no excuse to try and shove misleading information down everyone's throat. Most of us know you are wrong and are an opinionated person with a, for lack of a better description at the moment, very hard head.
It has been hashed and rehashed over a thousand times before here and elsewhere. The I7 holds a VERY small, if any, advantage over an I5 unless one uses HT and the proper application FOR HT. As a matter of fact, it may be a disadvantage in certain situations.
I'm not going to go into the specifics on why... just Google it yourself.

And being such a noob here one would think you would tread a bit lighter here instead of arguing with everyone with bull headed nonsense and insults.
And your assumption that I only have a "couple" i5's and i7's is testament enough to your type of thinking and personality. To me it seems you are one of those flamers that try to start arguments and trouble and have a deep need to be "right" even when you are wrong.
And I am one of those types that jump right back in the face of those types of people that do that.
Cheers, go have a beer now and think about it before you respond.

 

[rtwjunkie]

If you can't decide i5 or i7, then get the i7 and turn off HyperThreading ... (laugh)

This is actually not such a bad idea, although it seemed to be in jest. As long as you can afford it, it might be good to test what you do with HT on AND off. Then if it turns out your gaing is better served by no HT, turn it off, and if you find the need for other work, to include, but not limited to things like video and photo-editing, turn it on.

 

[Tatty_Two]

This is actually not such a bad idea, although it seemed to be in jest. As long as you can afford it, it might be good to test what you do with HT on AND off. Then if it turns out your gaing is better served by no HT, turn it off, and if you find the need for other work, to include, but not limited to things like video and photo-editing, turn it on.

Please no, more things to add to the debate.......... I tried that with my old i7 930 @ 4.3gig although on only about 4 games that I was playing at the time and with HT off I got slightly higher FPS.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Please no, more things to add to the debate.......... I tried that with my old i7 930 @ 4.3gig although on only about 4 games that I was playing at the time and with HT off I got slightly higher FPS.

LOL, ok, it's already been tried!

 

[peche]

Ugh... Posts like the ones from this Bill guy really make me hate forums...

i bet many people here feel the same...

It may be one site, but it consistently shows the advantages of the two classes of Intels. What I find a bit surprising is how consistently poor all the AMDs performed with even the i3 3220 beating all or most AMDs with each game tested.

AMD announced last year (maybe in 2013) that they will no longer compete head to head with Intel, but they have every intention to keep nipping at their heels and Intel knows it. This will keep Intel looking over their shoulder and all that will be good for consumers. But still, after looking at GhostRyder's links, AMD needs to step up their game.

It's the person who submits posts, not to contribute or participate in a mature discussion, but for the sole purpose of criticizing others with puerile comments that does it for me.

Feel free to unsubscribe and stop wasting your time reading, or ours with posts that don't add any value to the discussion.

For me, I thank GhostRyder's and Frag Maniac and others for their contributions to this "endless discussion" and to yogurt21 and Iceni for joining the thread today to add theirs.

Your opinions sometimes are prety hard to read… sometimes you might have the complete point, but other times is like giving the keyboard to "scumbag steve" for a fast reply, a forum is a place to contribute, help and give personal opinions my friend, you cannot change the decision and personal opinions of many people with your intolerance and brave way to speak…. learn how to respect all people and opinions here… by the way many times we don't care about how "Pro" you said you are…

Regards,

 

[Bill_Bright]

i7 fanboy? Not hardly. It is clear, however, there are several i5 fanboys here who are totally intent on convincing the OP and others the i5 is better and the i7 is not worth the extra money!

Those are personal opinions based solely on biases and limited experiences. And Raw, we did the googling! We provided link after link after link (provided by several, not just me), many to TPU comparisons you chose to ignore, showing where the i7 consistently outperforms the i5 in gaming! So who is wrong? And there are several here who have stated $100 is worth it to them and many i5 promoters in this thread who admitted the i7 performs better.

So, Raw, are we ALL wrong - or just me?

Some here are trying to convince the OP the i5 is better when that wasn't even his question. Nor did his question have anything to do with "worth it". And some are trying to convince everyone that $100 more for an i7 is not worth it when there are many hard-core gaming enthusiasts out there willing to pay much more than $100 to eke out just a few more FPS and think it more than worth it. And they are entitled to that opinion!

Finally this totally OT sidetrack started after it was said, any modern i5 will be as good as an i7 for gaming. (1) several links by several in this thread shows that is not true, (2) nothing in that comment or my response to it was about "worth a $100". HOWEVER, in fact, I said in my first response, "for most people the i7 may not be worth the extra costs...".

But instead of accepting the facts, and more importantly, the rights of others to have a different opinion about what $100 is worth to them, the i5 fanboys continue to insist the performance gains are not the worth the extra money for them, therefore the extra money is not worth it for anyone!

And I'm the one accused of being opinionated?

Clearly, I am talking to brick walls, unwilling to accept the evidence presented in multiple links by multiple people, and unwilling to accept that others can have different opinions on what is valuable to them.

So to all of you who don't want to hear more of what you don't want hear, I am done. Good day.

 

[xorbe]

I upgraded from i5 to i7, didn't notice anything. i5 is basically just as good as i7 for gaming. Sure, the i7 turns in a few more fps on select titles, but that doesn't make the i5 bad a gaming. You are splitting hairs at the top of the top. i7 is 46% more expensive (Amazon) but certainly doesn't deliver 46% more gaming fps on average.

 

[Bill_Bright]

My apologies to all. I know I just said I was done, but then another generalization came in.

I upgraded from i5 to i7, didn't notice anything.

And many won't notice the difference but there are way too many variables to say or imply what you experienced with your one system and that one i5 and that one i7 applies to "any" i5 and "every" i7. Not all i5s are created equal, nor are all i7s.

And besides the particular i5 and i7, performance also depends on the game being played and every other potential bottleneck in the system such as the motherboard, RAM, graphics, other apps running, drive performance - and network connection for some. If those other areas are bottle necking your system, you can put an i3 in there and not see a difference.

And for sure, I never said, suggested, or implied the i5 was "bad" at anything. I've used i5 on several builds here. I said above for those happy with their i5s, "that's great!" I also noted the i3-4170, for the money, does very well - and outperformed several i5s too!

You are splitting hairs at the top of the top.

Maybe, but I don't think so. But you CLEARLY are suggesting and trying to convince everyone that all i5s are "just as good" as all i7s when it comes to gaming because that is what you experienced with your system.

Yet rooivalk, CAPSLOCKSTUCK, 64K, GhostRyder, and me all provided several links in this thread showing that is not true. In fact, rooivalk showed where an i7 in the same computer provided nearly 10FPS greater performance from 32.61 FPS with an i5 to 42.46 FPS with an i7. That is significant and definitely noticeable, and well worth the extra money for many gaming enthusiasts.

Now I am done. Thanks.

 

[rtwjunkie]

I'll just leave this here. http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/300-graphics-solution.212066/page-2#post-3279527

Just a minor selection of testing, yet in the majority of the games run, the i7 seems to have been slightly inhibited compared to the i5.

 

[peche]

the OP os this topic may a million miles away because of the discussion and endless war between general discussion and dictatorship and tyranny from an *ss

 

[64K]

In fact, rooivalk showed where an i7 in the same computer provided nearly 10FPS greater performance from 32.61 FPS with an i5 to 42.46 FPS with an i7. That is significant and definitely noticeable, and well worth the extra money for many gaming enthusiasts.

That chart was taken from here. Looking at the 4670 at 4 GHz and the 4770 at 4 GHz then the difference is about 7 FPS.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_4670K_and_i7_4770K_Comparison/8.html

it's important to read the note right after the chart.

"When it comes to games, one of the latest and most popular is Battlefield 3 by Electronic Arts. The Core i7-4770K's Hyper-Threading Technology allowed it to perform better than the Core i5-4670K without it."

As Mussels pointed out BF3 benefits heavily from multithreading.

But take a look at the other two games tested

Metro Last Light

League of Legends

Make sure to compare the two CPUs at the same speed and you will see that it is very little difference which is what I posted previously in this thread using another source. Yes there is a difference but very little.

 

[jboydgolfer]

i5 FTW. My 25ooK eats all that stand in its path.

 

[Tatty_Two]

The OP has not posted in here since he started this thread 8 days ago, although he has still been active in other threads, most likely sick of the squabbling of people that are more bent on trying to prove themselves right rather than focus on his needs and that comment applies to a few, not any individual specifically, with that in mind the threads closed, should the Op wish it to be re-opened he can message me, then I will delete the last 2 pages and we can start the journey again...... thank you.